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Wallace
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The link for this article is
www.samento.com.ec/sciencelib/4lyme/Townsendhowens.html

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This is an interesting article. However, before sharing this article with a physician (for example) I would have liked to see more references and documentation for statements such as:

"Biology professor, Lida Mattman, author of Cell Wall Deficient Forms: Stealth Pathogens, has been able to recover live spirochetes of Bb from mosquitos, fleas, mites, semen, urine, blood, and spinal fluid."

Yes, it mentions the work of Lida Mattman, but this would have been more effective if the official findings of Mattman's research were also quoted and referenced.

I am not denying that Bb can be spread in such ways. There must be some reason why so many people have it other than through tick bites. But this information would have so much better an impact if the laboratory findings were in more detail and referenced so that the stated research could be looked up in the mentioned journals in order that individuals that doubt these claims (some medical professionals, etc.) could see the facts for themselves.

It concerns me that as we try to educate the public regarding Lyme that our efforts don't come off as being panic-driven.

My brain isn't working well today so I don't know if what I am trying to say makes sense. But personally I would shy away from distributing any information referenced by articles with such panic-sensational titles as "You could be a victim of a Monster Epidemic!", etc.

Anyone else get what I am trying to say here?

This article would be great if all claims as to the spread of Bb were reference in widely accepted journals. Such as are papers written by many of the ILADS team.

I thought I would edit here to clarify that when I said "shy away from distributing" I didn't mean to shy away from distributing here or elsewhere among the Lyme community. I meant shy away from distributing to those unknowledgeable about Lyme for education purposes.


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The end of the article kind of made me feel like one of the X-Men!

My dad had mentioned to me that there was a government facility on some island outside of Lyme, CT and that he wouldn't be surprised if LD was some form of biological warfare gone awry, but I kind of thought he and my uncle were just off on another one of their conspiracy theory's again . . .

I guess I'll have to tell him that smarter, more educated people than myself agree with him.


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Lyme has been isolated in biting flies and gnats in France.

I used to have the case studies somewhere...

Also, Czeckslovakia.


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Kara,

Yes! "Case Studies" was the term my brain was searching for. Thanks.

I would welcome links to case studies regarding Bb transmission (from other than ticks)if anyone has them--something I could hand to a regular doc with hope that they would give the info some consideration.


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Years ago, Willie Burgdorfer, as in Borreliosis burgdorferi, found, except for mites (I think), the same thing. I believe he documented it.
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slcd...Read Lab 257...I think this is what your Dad and uncle were talking about.

We just had a new lab built in our town.Next to a Vet school.They also mentioned it was a HOME SECURITY lab.After reading Lab 257 I was not a happy camper.That site (Plum Island),home of Lab 257 is a disgrace.Shows you how corrupt gov't agencies are.


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Did you see the paragraph towards the end of the document:

"The United States maintains a biological warfare research laboratory on Plum Island directly across Long Island Sound from the sites where Lyme Disease and West Nile Disease were first encountered in Old Lyme and Madison, Connecticut. Massive deaths of birds are common at the sites where West Nile viral disease appears, suggesting that the illness may afflict birds before entering humans. Dr. Warren Levin of Wilton, Connecticut states that 56% of the families in Wilton have at least one family member with LD. Could seagulls containing crystalline mycoplasma fermentens and West Nile Virus have escaped or been released from Plum Island?"

I don't know bout you, but I find this hard to believe. But more importantly, such speculations should be avoided in serious articles. In fact, such statements rarely appear in serious articles. I find the article very interesting, but not very trustworthy.

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Kara Tyson
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There is no way to prevent birds from landing and taking off of an island. Case in point..Mt. Athos.

Mt. Athos contains many monastaries in Greece. No females are allowed on the island. Not even female animals..except for 2 things cats..and birds. Because over the centuries it was found it was impossible to prevent those 2 from coming and gowing.


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Considering Plum Island was started in the 1940's and the person put in charge was originally head of Hitler's bioweapons division..who knows what they were doing out there.
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Interesting thread, and I don't doubt it's authenticity. I for one think it's likely true. M.S.,Lyme,Fibro,CFS all are now exploding through the population.
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Here is a link worth reading for info on different forms of transmission
www.canlyme.com/sex.html

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Thanks for your thoughts. Townsend Letter for Doctors and Patients is a very respected journal so its encouraging Lyme is getting a bigger journal. Yea sure some of the things are a little speculative and are taken from Donald W. Scott of the Common Cause Foundation.

I found the idea of Lyme being transmitted through pasteurised milk interesting.

With Long term infection I hold to the view that a pulsing regime is generally best with emphasis put on diet and detox. I personally feel we put too much faith in the wonder powers of antibiotics on this board.

healing thoughts,

Wallace


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Sorry, I didn't mean to criticise the board. I've just taken a few months off antibiotics to try and sort out my diet and am now back on the antibiotic route wiser and older! Looking forward to my next herx! But I guess we can take comfort from the fact that we are on the cutting edge of medical deveopments!!

Healing thoughts,

Wallace


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Does Anyone know of another article that says roughly the same thing but better?

Healing thoughts,

Wallace


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