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I have a question if this problem I am having is related to lyme disease. Oh you need the problem huh. I have been having trouble with my bladder and feeling like I am needing to go to the bathroom but I can't go when I get to the bathroom. Is there any connection with lyme between feeling like I need to pee even if I need to pee real bad but then not being able to pee? I just have always not wanted to mention it to my doctor becaue I don't want him poking around down there or anything or to ask me to pee in a cup cause I can't. LOL I have just said I had a shy bladder but it also happens at times at home. I finally pee but I have to sit for several minutes which feels at times like several HOURS when you sit there. I feel like I REALLY need to pee but when I sit down and when I finally do pee I flood the place. Is there any relation with that and lyme? There are times that I don't have any problems but those are getting farther and farther apart. I have done a diary kind of on what I have taken or ate and can't find a pattern or anything as to why it happens. I just have difficulty peeing at times? Is this any relation to lyme disease? Or should I just guts it up and mention it to my family doctor? Stacie
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Hi, Stacie.
Please tell your doctor about this symptom. I understand your embarrassment, but you have no need to feel shameful. There's nothing "icky" about the urinary system!
It may be a Lyme symptom. It may not. But it's important to know why you have this problem.
I'm not saying my problem is your problem, but I share this story to exemplify the need for speaking to a doctor.
Once, I suffered with urinary frequency. I thought I might have IC, Interstitial Cystitis, an inflammatory condition. I saw a urologist. As it happened, I had a tumor. I had surgery to have it removed, and, fortunately, it was benign.
It's important not to chalk it up to Lyme and forget about it. If there's another cause, it can be addressed. If it's due to the Lyme, it should clear up with treatment. Maybe there is a specific treatment for this symptom, too.
Please keep us posted. Steph
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Lyme attacked my bladder.
I am a little confused about you not wanting a Dr. "to poke around down there". I dont know your age, but for us that are older we overcame that embarrasment with our first pelvic exam.
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This symptom was one of my very first ones before I knew I had lyme, early, early after the rash appeared on my leg.
It has continued throughout the whole process of other symptoms (far worse) appearing. I read somewhere on this forum that it can be a symptom of neuro lyme.
I told my docs at J. Clinic about it; they did not seem to be concerned. In other words I think they thought it was just another lyme symptom.
Hope this helps. lymelady
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TheCrimeOfLyme
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This was one of my LAST symptoms before being diagnosed and quickly went away on abx. I havent experienced it since.
Please see your doctor though. The last thing you want to do is backflood your kidneys or stretch your bladder cause you arent getting it out when you need to go. My daughter has neurological bladder due to NON lyme problems.
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Yep run to the bathroom stand there nothin then 10 mins later go like a race horse. Make sure your eating enough acidopilis I have my suspisions its related somewhat to yeast.
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Please tell your MD or your ND about this problem.
You don't want to cause other problems by not remedying it.
There are a number of reasons that you might be experiencing this problem that are easily resolved with medical treatment.
Good luck.
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a simple remedy for you might be to take about 5-10 GRAMS of vitamin C. It will not hurt you. Start out with 5 grams then add up one at a time until you feel you might get diarrhea. that would be your stopping point. try to take your maximun all in one day. Drink LOTS of water. there may be crystalized particles of urine probably from an infection i.e. LYME and the vitamin C which you will sort of over do, that is blocking a vessel for going out, the vit C will sort of surround the particles, dissolve them and wash them thru...with all the water you drink. it would help to drink cranberry juice.. anyway it will not hurt you at all, excess vit c just gets washed away which is the point here. it worked well for me after I had my daughter..I had a lot of problems and my visits to the urologist were NOT just a pelvic exam. I wouldn't go again unless I was near death. So, try that. It took one day for me to get better after months of tx from that wierdo urologist. and it was one of my daughters worst symptoms too, urinary problems... anyway it worked great for me. a chiro nutritionalist told me about it when I was at my wits end.
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Sounds like a u.t.i., which could be caused by the Lyme or even yeast. Up your amount of acidophillus, take Cranberry Pills 3x a day for a week, and increase your water intake. But please tell your Dr. about it asap.
------------------ Julie G. ___________ lymeinhell
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Remember that Lyme can live in the urinary tract and bladder..I just had a positive Urine PCR myself, and have had chronic pelvic problems all year that none of my Dr's could explain.... I had cramping, burning....frequent urination, irritation....they thought it could be Interstatial cyctitis.... Which is a chronic inflamation of the bladder. I saw a urologist for this and she confirmed that she had seen a few Lye patients that had developed this as well....even though it is not a condition just caused by Lyme....
Just remember you are not crazy, and this is a common symptom for woman especially with Lyme.
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I agree. It could be yeast. Definately up the probiotics and get some cranberry as mentioined above. And also plenty of clear liquids.
And yes, please tell your doc about it. They are there to help you and if you don't tell them ALL of your symptoms, they will not be able to adequately treat you.
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Have you had any discomfort in your legs or lower back? The reason I ask is that another possible cause of this could be a bulging disk in your lower back causing interruption of signal to the nerves that serve the bladder.
Google "cauda equina syndrome" and see if it fits.
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I would really suggest talking to a Dr. about this. This can be the sign of a UTI, as some people have noted. And a UTI can lead to a kidney infection if not treated.
UTI's are also sometimes the signs of other forms of reactive arthritis. They should be able to determine a UTI through a urine test.
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Hi all thanks for all the information. I don't have a UTI they did check that with a urine test. I am not much on putting my butt up in the air for anyone to see. LOL I guess that is because I have never had children I am 35 years old. They might not even have to look down below I just hate to thought of it. LOL I got some vitamin C as mine was low anyway and started it today. This has been an on going thing for a couple of years now it just seems to be getting worse instead of better. I have been having trouble with leg pain and lower back. I go back to my family doctor tomorrow I guess I will mention it to her. I am just worried about having to give a urine sample and not being able pee. LOL Stacie
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I had this symptom for years and years and I know without a doubt that it wasn't yeast or abx. I know bc I was undiagnosed with lyme during this time. My boyfriend would make fun of me for sitting on the toilet for 20-30 mins before being able to pee. Then there was the period of time when I couldn't sleep bc every time I lay down I felt like I had to pee. But when I tried I never could or would get the teeeniest drop and then would lay down and still feel like I needed to pee.
The only thing that helped me was long term abx. Now its a distant memory. I'd forgotten this symp that plagued me til I read your post. I hope you have a good abx regimine and that this will eventually help you get to the point that you hardly remember it too.
I do want to say that it is very important that you communicate Everything w your doc. No need to be embarrassed. They deal w our intimate problems all day long. Its nothing to them. They won't even notice it as a "touhy" topic cuz it will be so normal to them.
Many lymies have urinary problems. One of my closest lymie pals stopped urinating altogethr bc of the disease and had to be catheterized.
There are meds that can help w the urinary stuff if it gets to be a serious problem and remains unresolved by abx.
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Stacie, don't be embarrassed. We all deal with a myriad of bizzare symptoms. It's unfotunately a part of living with Lyme.
This is a tough one. My 1st inclination was Paruresis, a condition that causes stage fright or the inibility to urinate in public. You can do a search on it and find resources. Most Paruretics are OK when they're alone, yet have trouble voiding when nervous, in public, or around others. Urologists treat this with alpha & beta blockers with mixed results.
But after hearing your story, you may want to ask your MD or LLMD if a visit to a urologist and/or a Lumbar MRI is appropriate. Many people have bulging discs and are asymptomatic. If the disc compresses against a nerve in the sacral area, it can cause urinary & bowel problems. A nuerologist and/or a neuroradiologist can examine your MRI for such issues.
My LLMD said that Lyme can affect the bowel, bladder, & associated muscles, prostate, and can affect the sacral nerves that control urinary & bowel function. He felt that these issues improve with abx treatment.
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Foggy, That kind of sounds like my problem. I have more trouble in public places than I do at home. although it has gotten to where I have some trouble at home. I wasn't have any trouble today so I didn't ask my family doctor about it. But I do have it on my list of questions for my LLMD and will ask him when I see him again. Stacie
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I posted something similar quite awhile ago. I believe the clinical term for what you have is paruresis. You can perform an internet search for more information.
A lot of people here have already suggested possible physical causes of this such as urinary tract infection or lower back pain. There is also a psychological component, though I personally don't see the distinction between psychological and physical.
I also suffer from this. My suffering began about the same time as my other neurological symptoms began, symptoms I now attribute to Lyme Disease (LD). When I suggested that there might be a connection between LD and paruresis in my previous post, the majority response I received was that the two aren't related. However, if LD can mimic schizophrenia, paranoia, and other so-called psychological ailments, then I don't see why it can't mimic paruresis. If paruresis really is the diagnosis, then I think LD could be a factor.
Like the others on this thread, I also recommend seeing a urologist to make sure "the plumbing checks out." It's uncomfortable, but not painful. (It's worse for a man!) I hope you overcome. It can be a socially debilitating disease. Good luck.
Scott
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It could be sciatica, since you mentioned pain in its common places, but Im not sure urinary hesitancy has anything to do with that.
You do realize that your bladder is connected to your kidneys and you can literally backwash your kidneys if you arent getting the urine out, right?
After watching my 6 year old daughter not be able to pee for 6 years and have to straight cath herself every 4 hours due to a birth defect, I would never suggest someone not stick their butt up in the air!
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Scott, interesting point; I've also pondered if there is a connection between Lyme and Paruresis? Who knows? I will say that I know several people with this problem who don't have Lyme. Could merely be a coincidence.
Have you ever asked the folks at the Paruresis group?
My LLMD felt that Lyme can cause prostatitis, IC, etc, but that he'd seen and heard about Paruresis in a plethora of non-patients before he became a Lyme specialist.
Could Lyme anxiety & panic trigger Paruresis in a once non-paruretic individual, maybe so.
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I'm not suggesting that paruresis is caused by Lyme. We know that LD can mimic psychological conditions, but that doesn't mean that ALL psychological conditions are caused by LD.
I think paruresis is the condition described in this thread. There are any number of causes. My general question is this. If LD can get in the brain, is there any limit to the psychological symptoms that it can mimic? My answer is that I don't see any limit.
Of course, lacking a definitive diagnosis, no one here knows the cause of anyone else's paruresis. But the spirit of the original post was a question about the relation of LD to paruresis. I'm throwing in my two cents and claiming that there could be a relation. I don't know with certainty. But I think they could be related.
Scott
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