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Hi. I've had lyme and babesia for 3 years and will be going to a naturalpath next week to try homeopathy. Is this a waste of my money? I'd appreciate any feedback, good or bad. Thanks, Butterscotch
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I ran across your post and saw that you hadn't gotten any answers so I thought I'd bump you back up to the top of the list so that you can get some.
In the meantime, I haven't used homeopathy for my LD but I've used it for other things in the past and believe there is alot of value in it.
I think alot of folks here have used a homeopathic called ledum.
If you do a search of the "board" for the words ledum or homeopathy or homeopathic I bet you'll get lots of information to add to your databanks. There's been quite a bit of discussion about it in the past.
hope this helps a little
------------------ Wishing you fast healing and good health!
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In my opinion, yes it is.
I have not only tried classical homeopathy with supposedly "the best" practitioners, but also 15 months of isopathy. Neither worked, but cost me loads of money.
I think homeopathy works for some things, but chronic infection is not one of them.
DLL
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Hello,
I believe homeopathy is good for many areas of healing, to detox your body of toxins, stored emotions and such, but I dont think it will kill lyme or babesia.
I have used homeopathy many many times, and it is good, but here I am, on this site, and near dead from lyme or whatever else infection I have and they have not found.
It is good, use it to assist you in your healing, possibly you will be one of the ones to benifit from it. Some do not. I did somewhat at the time.
I have seen SO many ND's and herbalists for over 10 years, and believed so much in them to get me well, they did not. SO, be very careful.
I believe it is very good to work with a LLMD and a ND together.
Maybe you are one of the ones that the antibiotics did not help, so maybe there is something else with you that a ND may be able to help you with. Worth a try, I say. If not a lot of money. Some ND's are so outrageously priced it is terrible. So are some MD's, so it is good to think about this. And, the thing is, some that are very expensive are very good, and some are a waste of money.
I personally haven't but a friend of mine went to an ND and she almost killed her.
Since that happened, I've decided the only person I will see is a healthcare provider who is licensed and in the state I live in they are not unless they are MD's doing homeopathy.
Recently I met a chiro who does body scans and claims he could help my daughter with lyme through homeopathy. When I inquired on this board the response I recieved back is no way homeopathy will cure lyme...I tend to agree.
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"I think homeopathy works for some things, but chronic infection is not one of them."
DLL,
Gotta disagree on this one. Mom's been seeing a classical homeopath for the last few months and is finally off of abx and feeling pretty good as a result.
For what she pays for an office visit with her LLMD (and that's total - she hasn't spent over $200 yet) she's gotten really super results and a feeling of well-being that she hasn't had in a long time.
We will continue to see the homeopath and treat her for ALL of her chronic illness (of which Lyme is only one part).
Not all homeopaths are created equal - it is an "art" and some are good, some are bad, just like doctors. To prescribe the correct remedy in the proper dosage is a rare skill.
Years before, Mom had been seeing a Naturapath who tested her using a machine and such to see which remedies she needed - HE took her money and she got nothing back for it in the end. Total ripoff. Her experience with her homeopath is completely different and MUCH better.
So yeah, Butterscotch - it can be valuable or it can be a waste of time, depending on what kind of results you get.
For more general info on classical homeopathy, check out this site - http://www.minutus.org/
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Hi Mikken,
I'm glad for your mother, but this did not work for me. I went to homeopaths whom others said had cured them of various ailments and whom came very highly recommended - i.e. as possessing the art of healing, etc.
I also felt a "feeling of wellbeing", but it didn't last long. I hope in your mothers case this will be different.
Please update us on her status in a few months (re: homeopathy).
DLL
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Both my husband and I tried homeopathy, and it didn't work.
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I used homeopathy some time ago, for both myself and my son, with several well known practitioners. It worked for me until I got Lyme, though I didn't know I had it at the time.
It always worked well for my son when he was young, but haven't used it for a while, and don't know if it would help him with his Lyme now.
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I went to a hoemopath who didn't help me much, but I think it was the homeopath...I believe in Homeopathy (apparently if you've got MS, it is the best thing...)but you have to find the right practitioner...you may have to try a few different ones. Like doctors, if the 1st one doesn't help, find another one (I had to go to 16 doctors to convince them that I had LD!)
Good luck! Cookie
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See if you can find a homeopath, rather than going to a naturopath (I agree, they are WAY TOO EXPENSIVE) You can probably find a website for an organization that could give you a few names in your area...
ALSO, have you checked out Dr Zhang's website (www.dr-zhang.com---or dr_zhang.com, not sure which)...I was doing my 1st round of IV doxy in 1999, and in the middle of the months, when I took his herbs, I herxed!!! I would usually herx on the 28th day! He's a great guys, and my LLMD sells Zhang's herbs in his office, that's how much he believes in them!
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Last year I was recommended by a friend to try homeopathy. I left the office with some supplies of little tiny pills and almost $500 out of my pocket. Well, it did NOTHING. My friend highly recommended this doctor to me because he said she helps him a lot. I agree with mikken about not all homeopaths are created equal. It's like you got a good apple or a rotten ones so you have to keep searching. However, I have not tried another one since then.
In the past I'd used chinese herbal treatments and it helps. Too much work brewing the medicine throughout the day and it's hard when I was too sick to even stand up so finally brewing was out. Finally, I found products I'm getting from podi patch company are the best so far for me since all of my symptoms improves a lot (not trying to promote them, just stating the facts here). I think their products would classified as natural healing since everything comes from nature itself and organic.
It's important that you have to see how your body feels after using certain products for a week or even months to see if it works. When you are dealing with natural treatments instead of pharmaceutical drugs it takes longer to see the results.
There are so many selections out there so it's up to an individual to chose what's best for you. Sometimes certain thing works for one but not another. You just have to take a chance.
I've been doing as much of reading and research as possible so I can feel comfortable and a solid trust in what I choose to do. Also dealing with reputable companies are very important. Good luck.
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My LLND, who also has MD degree (offshore) has prescribed and/or administered IV and oral antibiotics for my LD. He doesn't know of any better remedy.
I've had ND ozone for Lyme,but by itself it was not strong enough to made a great difference.
Bee venom and artimenisin (for Babesia) did seem to help, but for Lyme it seems antibiotics are a MUST and for chronic Lyme IV antibiotics.
nmm
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I have tried both. Long term carrier and 3x infected. Diagnoised in 1999. carrier since 1976. I did IV Doxy for a year.(allergic to all others) Continued on oral antibiotics, for 4 years and did 12 weeks of HBO treatment. That all seemed to help reduce the neuropathy pain and Blinding 24 hour headaches. I've tried many remedies, except colidal silver...stay away! Most resent and successful treatment is weekly does of 1000mg of vitamin B12. I inject myself, much cheaper. See my post under NO MORE HEADACHES. The IV cost $10,000 a month not including 2 sugeries to place and remove the port. I had insurance. The HBO was more than that, part was covered. I am on SSI, since 1999 and with these med bills and perscriptions it is an expesive disease. For the past 2 years I have quit all antibiotics. I still take med to maintain my thyroid, pain, sleep, neuropathy and tremmors, but the B12 injection have changed my life....yahoo! Also, I must admit no more sugar and more protien. No more fatigue or brain fog. I feel so much better. Hope it helps you too. Don't get hooked by all the gimicks. They don't work.
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mikken, \ i think the point is that you need to be on abx first in order to kill off the lyme, THEN the homeopathy can work well as an adjunct as in the case of your mom to wean someone off abx and make their immune system stronger etc...
I don't think homeopathy or chinese herbs or any alternative therapy will work alone without first killing these keets...
of course using as an adjunctive therapy is probably a great idea....strengthening the body while killling the keets makes perfect sense...
just my opinion...
Lisa
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Mikken,
I am sure the homeopath thought they were curing me and that me feeling better for a short while was proving their case. But, nothing particular was said.
However, I have since figured it out for myself. The reason I felt temporarily better in the beginning is because of the (Heel) drainage they gave me to help flush out liver and kidneys. This I believe did have some effect and it was the flushing out of toxic overload which temporarily made me feel better.
Nothing to do with their nosodes at all. The nosodes did absolutely squat otherwise.
I have also been to other homeopaths who used classical homeopathy (not progressive) and their pills also did nothing at all.
I am not a disbeliver in homeopathy. I have had it work for me with hives once, and for coldsores another time. But, NOT for Lyme Disease.
I have heard similar from others, over and over again. So, either your mother is an exception, or this may be the short-lived honeymoon period for her (I hope not though).
DLL
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Well DLL, time will tell with mom. Her homeopath is classically trained, will not use nosodes (for her case - nosodes were meant to be used in epidemic situations only, according to Hahnemann) or combo remedies or go for detox or anything else like that.
Something else that's interesting is that many (most?) US homeopaths are still trained with/using the 4th Organon, even though Hahnemann wrote two more after that! The last (sixth) dealt with LM potencies - very powerful, yet very gentle on the lifeforce. I feel fortunate that mom's homeopath has studied the 6th Organon and uses the LM potencies when appropriate.
Edited to add that this homeopath also will NOT use dry dosages - everything is given in medicinal solution to help avoid aggravations. Mom's aggravating enough, thank you!
I am currently taking classes in homeopathy so that I can at least ask intelligent (or at least informed) questions and work with mom's homeopath towards a true cure for her. Gone are the days when we would hand over our care to anyone, doctor or homeopath (or even the vet for the animals), without asking questions, researching and reading, and taking an active role. The "doctor as god" illusion was shattered for us a long time ago...
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Thank you everyone for all the helpful information. I will give the homeopathy a try as my COBRA covers it and the "remedy" is not expensive. I am first going to try another round of flagyl though, as this is the only antibiotic (out of over a dozen) that has helped me in the past.
I'll let you know if either are successful. Thanks again, Butterscotch
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Hi Mikken,
I don't know a thing about Organons, but the homeopath I ended up seeing for 15 months, who used Isopathy/nosodes and BDF (for diagnosis), was Dutch.
Their clinic was also a college of Homeopathy - so my guess is (and it's only a guess) that he was up on these Organons. (The clinic's in the UK)
DLL
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