How do we really know that they are pulling toxins? Do they pull more toxins then the 15 that they test for?

I did some searching and found nothing on the internet of forums about these patches.

Dont you think that if they were as good as they are that there would be some buzz, some groups talking about them?

I figure this is just a piece of the pie and not the whole pie to getting ones health back.

I had my LLMD and another health care person that I trust recommend these patches over the years.

So, I tend to believe they are worth giving a try.

I had my patch on the arch of my foot last night. IT turns brownish/black but not as strong or gooey as the ball and heel. I assume it is because there is no pressure on it.

How's your neck and back aches today? I was thinking of you and snowboarder this morning.

I think these patches are very new maybe that's why no forum exists yet. I know there are many types of foot patches out there (I've tried others before) and I'm only familiar with Podi Patch brand and its function. If you have any question don't hesitate to ask. I don't want to offer info on any products I have not tried before.

Hi Kam,

I don't use it on my arch because I notice I still feel the pulling sensation when I placed mine on the heel or the balls area anyway. Since my foot is small and I placed mine lengthwise so some of it reach my arch area anyway. Maybe you try it lengthwise to see it works. I remembered Julie G. mentioned she's being doing podi patch for 4 months already and I'm approaching 4 months too. Mine is now medium brown color and I can start my maintainence of once or twice a week when it turns light brown.

Lighter kinda like when I get out of the sauna.

I think my neck pain is related to a sinus infection, I just figured this out.

Could also be the toxins moving around.

I'm so glad you are feeling better today. Whatever toxins that is it is important to get it out. It's a long journey to get our health back and we just have to take the good and the bad and not to give up.

Thanks hobokinite for the info. I'm going to check it out.

So, you are on your 4th month and still getting the dark color.

It certainly is working for you. It will feel great to be on just a maintenance program soon.

Haven't picked up on any humor in life today with the exception I was thinking again about wanting a convertible for my next wheels before I got sick.

And having a power chair for wheels now...well...at least it is a convertible.

I do need to be more specific in my thinking next time.

Glad you are feeling better lymeherx. Hopefully you can change your name soon to lyme be gone or something.

You are so right. It is so difficult to figure this all out and what is causing what.

Thanks for reminding us about cure zone hobo.

I too need to look at that site when I am more clear headed. I recall it had a lot of good information. But, I need to keep it simple right now.

Oh, that convertible joke is perfect! That's all I need really. Thanks. You have not failed me yet.

That name thing is great. Maybe that's why I had mine as fulfillment and don't really know why 09? Hm.....

Definitely recommend the curezone site for a clear head day; otherwise, you're going to have a "brain freeze" like me. I hope the Christmas concert tonight helps warm it up or at least defrosting it.

Well, chat to you all later. Happy Holiday!

I spit on my thumb and pressed into the podi patch to see what would happen.

After about 5 seconds with some heat and moisture the pad turned dark brown and sticky.

This is afer a couple of seconds, the pad turned dark brown and was very very sticky.

Now the same thing happens on your feet, heat and moisture.

How do we really know that it is pulling out the toxins or just reacting normally.

I did not notice any difference in how I felt. Also do the ones on e-bay work as well (not podi-patch) they are much cheaper. None of us can afford scams at this point.

Lymeherx said his podipatch turned dark with his thumb, that does make sense because toxins are pouring out of us everywhere. In my makeshift sauna (I have bought a new one and am waiting for it to arrive), my sweat was dark brown also.

My holistic doc said that was normal and his lyme patients have brown sweat.

After about 5 seconds with some heat and moisture the pad turned dark brown and sticky."

lymeHerx001--

There are toxins in your spit, too.
Healthy people have toxins too.

To me in this age of science we should be able to expain these a little better then this company is.

Dear Katherine,

Again, thank you so much for your recent order at www.podipatch.com We
always welcome feedback, so I am very happy to respond to your inquiry.

I checked out the link you provided ( lymenet.org) and I am not surprised
that there is a lot of confusion about the product. The feedback we are
getting it's almost always the same - highest praise for the results or
extreme skepticism. The most frequent question though is, does the product
work ?

And with this question the whole problem starts. A more reasonable question
should be, what do I expect it to DO ?

I think here we have a better ankle
to this whole mystery.

What we don't want to confuse the Podi Patch with is that it is a "magic
patch".

Do we really expect that by simply putting on a patch we will be
healed from any illness or any health issue so to speak ?

Please answer this
question for yourself.

We can never forget that we dealing with a body, our body. And every body is
different. And after all we should all be aware of the fact that it is the
body that accepts and does the healing.

Every pill we take or any treatment
we administer to our body, yes even a simple Epsom Salt bath, is to "help"
the body "heal".

Now, how about toxins ?

Well unfortunately we live in a world with no escape
from toxins.

Even if there would be a magic patch to pull every toxin out of
our body in one night and we would be 100% clean, guess what, the food we
eat, the air we breath, the products we use and so on, it would start all
over again.

Another aspect to this story is the fact that in Asia this form of treatment
is practiced since ancient times. Medicinal plants, essential oils, herbal
compresses applied in a poultice ( patch ) is a very common form of
treatment.

No wonder those foot patches are a bestseller in Japan.

If the Podi Patch had no "power" so to speak, why do we get all those
positive feedbacks ?

Again the fact that everybody is different applies.

Some feel nothing, some feel something and some feel the so-called healing
crisis. Feeling nothing does not mean nothing happened. And those who
experience the healing crisis must have gotten it from something, right ? We
don't want to forget that some people are taking all sorts of other
medications, which all come to play and the body can handle sometimes only
that much.

And for the person who tried the spitting test on the Podi Patch, toxins are
found in every part of our body. Believe me I tried that test too and was
wondering what is going on.

And here we are back to our original question.

What is pulled out ? You see, I was dealing with the same questions you are.

So I went out and looked for somebody who could tell me what is in my patch.
Luckily I found a Lab that tested a brand new patch vs. a used patch for a
very reasonable price, for only $ 25.00.

The results were quite shocking: a
lot of nothing in the unused patch and a lot of something in the used patch.

I have to mention though to test a used patch for 15 impurities at a
certified FDA lab would cost thousands of dollars.

So what we are using is
an alternative testing method what makes the testing very reasonable.

All I
need to know is there anything in the patch after I use it.

You see, when it
comes to nature and our bodies and so forth we are always dealing with some
mystery.

Look at the medical field, don't you think they are taping in the
dark most of the time ?

Sometimes not everything is black and white.

What we
need to focus on is the positive aspects in life.

If you think negative
about Podi Patch don't you think it will effect the outcome ?

Also to those who feel "nothing". Don't be discouraged. Give your body time.

The body tries so hard to keep an ill person together.

Using Podi Patch one
night or a week is nothing. If you have a hard time relating to that think
back and relate it to drugs.

They don't always make you "feel" something,
right ?

I personally still use Podi Patch ones or twice a week as a
maintenance program.

It's like with vitamins you don't just take them for
two months and than never again. The use of Podi Patch should be considered
as part of your life style, not so much as a "get-me-well-NOW" program.

As a final note reading some of the stories on the forum and dealing with
some very ill and desperate people on a daily base, my heart goes out to
them.

The last thing in my mind is to take advantage of their situation.

To
keep doing what I am doing and promoting Podi Patch is fueled very much by
the positive feedback and the change it brings to so many people's life, and
by the support of some natural doctors and herbalist who recommend Podi
Patch.

Again, we don't want to forget that Podi Patch is used by people of all
walks of life, by some with health issues and by others just to promote well
being.

And as a general rule, if you have a medical condition you should
check with you doctor before using any alternative product.

Podi Patch is an
excellent addition to your health maintenance regimen. It does NOT cure or
prevent disease.

With this I want to close and hope so much to have answered some of your
concerns and questions.

If you would like to post this email on the forum
for everybody to read it would be very much appreciated.

Many thanks to all
who purchased at www.akgnaturals.com.

Please drop us an email anytime with
your feedback. We are here to help.

Happy Holidays and God bless,

Andreas K. Giannopoulos
President

AKG Naturals
Los Angeles, California
(310) 918 - 6564
[email protected]

So....is it possible that as the antibiotics lowered her bacterial load, she began to feel better?

Ascribing ALL of her improvement to the detox pads is wrong, if they were only PART of her "program."

I read the post about discount patches and ordered a 15 day supply of 5 different kinds on ebay. They just arrived and I'll try the first ones tonight and will post the results in a new thread. I can tell already that they are of lower quality. The adhesive pads with podi patch were super soft, breathable and comfortable, the ebay ones are different. There doesn't seem to be as much filling in each patch either.

The smoky smell that bothered me the first Podi P. night became less bothersome as I got used to it. Now I think of it as a hickory smoke/campfire effect.

Last night I tried my first epsom salt bath. I read other people's experiences, here first. I used 2 cups of salts and relatively hot water. I drank plenty of water first. After a few minutes I felt slightly uneasy. Something was definitely happening and it wasn't the good energy balancing feeling I got from the foot patches. I felt like I could taste the salts. I slept OK but got up earlier than usual.

I'm going to put the new patches on now so I can walk around/tap my feet in them a bit before bed (advice that was posted recently).
Wish me luck.

So glad you've found some relief. My LLMD has all patients at least try them.

My LLMD started me on them after about 4 months of antibiotics. She knew about the product, but I believe she waited until she felt I was 'ready' to try them.

Let us know if that old saying is true - 'You get what you pay for'....

After using the AKG brand nightly since May, I decided to take a little break because they are definitely much lighter in color now (they used to be BLACK). Three nights off, and I woke up with jaw pain this morning. So I wore them all day at work - boy, what a mess, but I feel better again.

At this point, if they jacked the price back up to $240 a month, I'd still use them because I know how invaluable they have been in my recovery.

Sleep tight!

I have a couple of clarifications in regards to Carol statements earlier:
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Fulfillment09 had such good results. But....
She DID mention in one post that she began using the Podi Patches around the time that she began using antibiotics.
So....is it possible that as the antibiotics lowered her bacterial load, she began to feel better?

Ascribing ALL of her improvement to the detox pads is wrong, if they were only PART of her "program."
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I'm attaching a personal email that I had responded to a LymeNet user just couple days ago. This is quite a lengthy detail of my journey back to health. Of course, Healther is the first person who has an interest in knowing how I do it and which menthod I chose. Without notifying Heather (and I hope she's ok with me exposing her name here) yet I chose to post my personal correspondence with her because I feel it is important to me.

Also I do not recollect I'd mentioned using podi patch during the time I'm using antibiotics in any of my posts as you will know why later. I'm sure that Carol perhaps had me confused with someone else's post. It is alright.

I don't need to validate myself to anyone. Howerver, posting my detail info of my current treatment programs with AKG Naturals and their associates I feel this is my opportunity to contribute to anyone who's interested or inquiring about alternative treatments. All of us on LymeNet are here to support and guide each other through this difficult times and I'm very honor to be a part of this community.
Please let me know privately or on LymeNet if I could be of help anytime. Take care all.

Happy Holiday!
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Hi Heather,

With pleasure I'll share my treatments to you.

When I first gottened sick my doctors couldn't figured out what's wrong with me. Very typical because I'd discovered most of them are not even listening to our complaints so they did a lot of guessing games with my illness. He placed me on different antibiotics and other drugs but didn't helped. He also did a lot of different tests but results always came back negative. So eventually he said I'm healthy, but yet my condition worsen.

I finally changed to alternative when my friends urged me to do so. I did almost 3 years of chinese herbs with a very good chinese herbal doctor. It helped my condition from getting worse and then improves some, but then that's it. FYI, if you choose to do chinese herbs you have to make sure the doctor is good and the ingredients are superior. You also have to brew this herb twice a day to drink and it's a hassle and taste very nasty.

Recently I discovered a company thru LymeNet chatroom called AKG Naturals, www.akgnaturals.com , about a great product called Podi Patch, www.podipatch.com . I took a chance since what do I have to lose. It turned out to be the best chance I've ever taken.

Podi Patch was a miracle for me. Of course, I had the healing crisis which is an expected episode if you are into alternative treatments. Now that was not a nice trip to go on but it's part of the road to recovery. I was bed bound since my legs to toes are swollen and so painful to walk on. After using Podi Patch since August I'm now like a brand new person again. It's important because I'm now able to work again eventhough partime. Can't work if you are in bed all day. I also had my used patch tested for chemical/toxins contamination in my body. Just got my results back. Check the posting on LymeNet "Podi Patch Lab Test Result". Very scary, but informative.

I also started the agaricus herb since later the company added that to the program. The cost was $240 for one month podi patch program and now the company reduced it to $120 a month plus a bottle of agaricus. I have to say the agaricus is a wonderful herb for immune system. They have a booket written by a doctor & researcher, Beth Ley, about agaricus. Highly recommend the book for info. My immune system improves tremendously since then. I no longer have these so called weekly flu symptom, energy level is back to normal, high white blood cell count which helps fight off bacteria & viruses, better circulation and sleep like a baby. After every 6 months usage I can take a month off.

I also that Foodpath & Clean the Path to help cleanse out my colon by increasing the daily bowel movements and all the build up deep inside the colon. These products also provide the body with other vitamins and minerals that we often lack in our foods. My body starts to feel lighter and it finally like a "can breath again" thing for me. I am now only need to take FoodPath just like taking multivitamins.

With my very bad pms symptoms every month I gave Monthly Peace formula a tried as well. My cycle was so out of whack I had a period lasted for 14 days then off for 10 days and started again. From the first to the third day of my period I practically in bed because I had severe body aches and pains, very bad cramps, severe backaches, nauseous, migraine headaches, my whole back was totally frozen and cold chills, but yet I would have a fever. After taking this formula my next cycle improves by 1/3, following month another 1/3, and now no more symptoms existed. My last cycle started and I did not even know. My stomach had a very slight cramp if I paid attention to it, but otherwise, I did not even know it exist. This formula is taking every 3 months for me.

My vision was starting to be a problem since my illness, especially my left eyes. I noticed a film like over my eye balls and the worst part was at the outer corner of my left eyes. It gets worse as time went by. So couple months ago I tried the EyeCare program. After 3 weeks of usage I had to go for my annual vision check up my optometrist was shocked to discovered my vision improved by .50 degree. And I was very happily shocked!!! BTW, I already had nearsighted problem before this so any improvement is good. After my first bottle I can continue by doing it only once a week for maintainence.

I've just finished Parasite detox program and this is also a very important process for the body. This practically removed all parasites from our whole body. This program is pretty easy to do as well, but you have to coordinate the one day you have to be at home and near the toilet, alright. It's not that bad just sounds bad. After this program I felt really light and awesome. Can't really explain it. Hmmmm... This program is every 6 months or twice a year.

My hair has been falling out and had gotten real bad this year so I tried ClayBanks for hair, nail, skin's nutrition. Less hair falls out after my 4 days using it and now it's no more than 5 strands a day, which is normal. Plus my new baby hair is growing. Yeah!!!!

I'm going to start my Blood Cleanse next week. So don't have any info on this yet, but I'm sure it'll be great as well.

They've recommended a very reputatable energy healer/therapist for me to add on to my treatments. I went last week and it was very nice. I felt asleep so couldn't tell you much except I feel like flying afterward. :-))

Recently talked to an LLMD that AKG recommended, but he said from what I've told him I don't need to see him to waste my money at this time and continue with what the company have. I like his attitude. Too many "money grabber" doctors out there, you know. I had plenty of those before. My health is better now, but I still have problems and I need to stay on track and do whatever it takes.

I talk to Kalie from the company whenever I need her. I'd learned a lot from her and still am. I've learned about changing to organic products as much as possible since not everything is organic. I've cut out everything white color such as sugar, bread, pasta, potatoes, etc. I started using organic essential oils to treat my symptoms and I signed up under someone at the company so I can get discount when I order. I've learned where to apply oils for best benefit through Kalie because she was a professional massage therapist and now a Life Coach besides working with AKG Naturals. Her clients paid her $150 an hour treatment and they see her every week! That's some good money.

Kalie said the best to start getting my health back is to remove whatever toxins I have in my body and replace it with good stuffs. This takes time so I can't expected it in couple days, weeks, or months. Each body functions and reacts differently so I have to learn to listen to it.

It sounds like a lot, but it is not that overwhelmed like ones think. The cost is much less than what I'd used to spend on pharmaceutical drugs before; so it is a saving for me. But the most important is my health improves tremendously and it takes time and patience to follow through the process. Everyone looks for the easy and quick way out with no pain, no cost or no suffering. There is a cost for everything including our life. Everyone talks about different products and ways to improves their health, but yet I still hear so much complaints about the illness. For me I know and trusted the company and they've proved themselves to me already. I'm healthier and happier with their guidance so I'm grateful. That's why I only talked about the company and their products. I'm not making money from them by recommending it to everyone, but I just know their products are superior so why shop around for a few bucks cheaper. To me cheaper cost means cheaper quality. Who knows what's out there and the consequences of using the bad products. They only sell highest quality and organically grown products, btw. Sorry, didn't want to sound like lecturing just my own opinion.

Well, Heather, this is a lengthy info and I want you to have as much insights as possible. Let me know how things go with you and whether you want to try the methods. Your choice, alright. I'm very happy and honor that you ask me. Good luck with your journey. God Bless.

With Love,

Mimi :-))

If I am looking at cost factor and knowing podi patch works the best. I would not even considered anything else. I did try other patches in the past and not satisfied with the results or whatever else was there.

Let's analyzing this because I have nothing else to do right now and not sleepy yet.

1) Hatsnscarf already had her first disappointment trying another patch. $ down the drain.

2)lymeinhell had her ordeal after 3 days stopped using Podi Patch from AKG Naturals brand. She has confirmed that she's continue using it even if the price increase back to the original $240. Ok....I'm looking for a "sugar mama" Just kidding. And I'm not GAY!

3) I, myself, only want podi patch brand. (Let's hope my voice count here)

4) I've read positive feedback about podi patch brand from other postings along the way. That a point for podi patch.

If I'm looking at original price at $240 a month supply (I did paid that in August when I first started). Currently I'm paying $120 a month supply plus I get a gift of agaricus herb for my immune booster (great herb). They sell agaricus at $55 a bottle, which is one month supply to go with the podi patch program. If I take $120 minus $55 for agaricus that means I'm paying $65 for my 60 patches for one month program which means each patch costs me $1.08.

How much Robi is buying his/her supply for (sorry I don't know your gender)? Hmmmm....let me check. Ok, $18 for 20 patches which equals to 90 cents per patch which is a saving of 18 cents compare to podi patch.

Mmmmmm....for me it is not worth it. I would have to take a chance that this cheaper stuff works the same as podi patch. If it does. Great! If it's not. That's $18 plus s&h and how many days before Robi going to get the products? Still don't know yet. I get mine in 2 working days by Fedex to my front door.

Considering, what if I need supply fast that mean I have to suffer? Oh, thinking about lymeinhell situation I think I'm going to stay on the program a little longer or only stop using it for one day only. I'm feeling too good now to even want to remember I was in h-ll before.

Uh.....I'm getting tired now analyzing all this stuff. I think I have enough of cents and pennies.

P.S. Just in case....I'm just a happy customer with AKG Naturals

Or go into crisis,

how many of you have gone into crisis using these?

Mmmmmm....for me it is not worth it. I would have to take a chance that this cheaper stuff works the same as podi patch. If it does. Great! If it's not. That's $18 plus s&h {s&h was included...robi} and Hand how many days before Robi going to get the products? Still don't know yet. I get mine in 2 working days by Fedex to my front door. {Ordered Fri...they were here on Monday....robi}

ROBI'S REPLY...............................
Just to clarify.....I paid $18.00 for a ten day supply. Shipping and handling were included. That would be $54 for a 30 day supply. Podi Patch is $120 for a 30 day supply (plus 8.95 for s&h). So the savings is quite substantial. That is a savings of $2.20 per day...not .18 per day as you stated. And that figure doesn't even have the $8.95 s&h figured in. With s&h I am saving a total of $74.95 per month.

I am currently not working and that is a huge difference to me. I understand the Podi is working for you.....I too believe you get what you pay for....but there are also instances where you can get the identical or very simiar product for less money. The internet has made this possible. I consult with a naturopath and get my info from her.....not from the company selling their own product. I believe this keeps things cleaner. It is more ethical in my opinion.

I post this with no positve or negative feelings toward AKG Naturals.
I just want others to have an acurate picture of the costs as most of us are struggling financially.

Try both....see what works....decide for yourself.

I tried my patches last night and got the black/brown gooey stuff.....I will continue with these for a while.

My source is: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=51010&item=5541020503& rd=1&ssPageName=WDVW

Peace and health to ya'll,
robi

BTW for those that don't know, I am a woman.
Ok, well,....the truth is I am a tomboy girl......

From looking at this ebay listing it is clear that this is a substantial savings and quality product.

If they are turning black/brown then this is a sign that they are working.