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daystar1952
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Hello ....I have lyme and babesia. It seems that when I am treated with antibiotics I lose most symptoms such as brain problems, my heart rate lowers somewhat, tingling and myclonus go away, etc. What doesn't seem to go away is muscle aches and stiffness.Whenever I added Plaquenil to the picture (in the past)all my aches and pains went away. I was doing fine for the past 6 months on this combination of drugs....200mg doxy, 2ooo mg of Biaxin, malarone and artemesinin. Recently I stopped the malarone and artemesinin. Now my hips hurt again and general muscle aches in the lower back. This causes my feet and lower legs to hurt when standing or sitting. Walking and lying down seem to be ok.

Anyone else know what I'm talking about. I'd be interested in hearing any experiences Thanks
Margie T


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Aniek
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Margie,

I've got the hip, lower back and foot pain as well. I find the plaquenil helps keep my upper back, shoulder and hand pain down, but not lower body. I think it's just different pain.

My LLMD really wants me to strengthen my hips. She thinks that will help. I find the muscle aches in my things go away when I exercise, but it's easy to activate the hip pain.

I've found heat really does help the hip pain. The best thing I found for foot pain is using elastic ankle braces. It's a new discovery. It helps some, but not great.

I'm on the top dose of Flexeril and I have Vicodin, but neither get the hip and foot pain. I tried Neurontin, but I was too fatigued on it.


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Hey there..

Long time.. no see!

I hope you are having some FUN these days?

I think the muscle pain is related to Babesiosis. I have the same thing happening.

If treated successfully for Babesiosis.. my muscle aches and cramps/spasms are lessened greatly.

That never happened on antibiotics alone.

When I have a reaction to Babesiosis meds.. my muscles get worse... like when herxing.. then better.

If the other meds helped.. why not try them again to see if you notice a difference?


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I guess I'm in the same boat. I have pain in my left hip, left thigh, and both feet as well as lower back. I have Babesia. My Lyme test was positive but mild.

The best abx for the pain was Biaxin which I just started up again. IV Rocephin helped quite a lot. I've never tried Plaquenil, malarone, or artemesinin.

I have also found that there is no pain medication that takes away the leg and back pain. I've tried Neurontin, Hydrocodone, and Oxycontin. Nothing works for me.

Scott


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Thankyou everyone for the good info. Tincup...well...I do seem to be having fun ...despite the lyme and despite the crazy world. I'm going to print this thread and take it to my lyme doc if this pain keeps up.Very interesting to hear you have the same experience
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I am having pain in my low back, left hip, right knee, and ankle. I haven't been "offically" diagonosed but am being treating for lyme because of a tick bite with rash two years ago.

These symptoms appeared 2 1/2 months ago. It was terribly painful to sit (especially drive) & stand still. Walking and lying down was fine. I found a "good" chiropractor. This has helped tremendously. Look out for the bad ones. Ask around a lot for references.

I am still in pain, but it is tolerable. My muscles are still extremely tight, but theraputic massage & heat/vibration helps for short time period.

I am new at this. So, if any of this can cause me complications please let me know.

Hope this helps.

[This message has been edited by jmardis (edited 03 February 2005).]


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Great.. I hope you all figure this out.

I have been thinking about it and haven't quite come up with a good reason that this happens. Or an exact reason.

Some thoughts...

Maybe because the red blood cells are affected with Babesiosis (damaged or destroyed).. they can't deliver the oxygen as well to the muscles.. making the muscles cramp and/or spasm more?

Maybe because the red blood cells are bad.. they can't deliver the calcium/magnesium that is needed to the muscles?

Maybe the lactic acid formed can't be removed as efficently from the muscles when the red blood cells are infected.. producing the burning pain that folks get after a hard workout?

Babesia enters the cells.. then we kill the babesia.. and we basically destroy what is left of those cells... our own cells.

THEN we produce new.. uninfected red blood cells... that CAN do their jobs.

Of course I am totally guessing here.. but I am wondering why this happens.

If you find out any information.. please let me know.

I have seen this happen in others with babesiosis.. and I always suspect babesiosis when someone lists symptoms that include muscle pain... or if they tell me they hurt when doing very little exercise.

I have muscle pain that is overwhelming at times.. from doing something as simple as brushing my hair. The repetative motion.. even a few strokes... causes muscles to hurt so much... and "lock up" or freak out.

In other words.. the little activity I do... instead of feeling it a little.. it feels like I have done LOTS. The pain is WAY out of proportion to the activity.

I would also be interested to know if treatment again helps you.

Thanks!

And have some fun over the holly days.

OK?

PS..

Have you tried Coral Calcium? This has helped my muscles quite a bit.. but when I stopped the mepron.. the muscles.. even with taking the calcium... became MUCH worse.

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Thanks TC,
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Was infected four years ago and was treated by a GP and then infectious disease doc. Never felt right since then.

Kept complaining of a muriad of issues and my GP told me to see a shrink.

Finally seeing a lyme Literate doc and guess what, I tested positive for Lyme disease. I have just started treatment, on it about 6 weeks now. My Doc believes I have bartenella ar babesia. Right now on Reocepherin, mepron and zithromax.

Like you TC I have a problem when I do very little work, particularly repetive motion. I feel like I have been hit by a truck and it takes at least a day of rest to overcome. Also, I experience the hip and foot pain, ususally in the morning. It almost feels like I stepped on a 6 inch spike in my left foot, which goes away in an hour or two of movement. Although for some reason I have been having some terrible aches and pains that I never had before and some are quite extreme. I finally made the decision to stay off work till I feel a little better.

While disenchanted with my past dissapointments, I am extremely grateful that I found someone to take me seriously. Not only for the treatment but for my sanity. Prior to seeing the specialist, I told my wife that this was the last doctor I was going to see. If he couldn't help then I was going to give up. I am glad that she is stuborn!!!!


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Hey M
If I didn't have three neg babs tests I would think I still have it. In fact will want another one done. But right after testing neg x 3, I got return of some of the same symptoms. What has taken most of that away is tx for bart. Now whether or not that might be the case for you I don't know.
IF I miss one or two doses of levaquin, which after nearly a year of daily I now got MWF on, well if I miss it I am in the er or wish I were.
The babs is the toughest one it seems. I did mepron for three years. the final year I did 3 t a day with IV zith, daily for six months then we pulsed it. the final 5 months we added in artemesinin from Allergy Research.
that seemed to to it, along with bicillin and other stuff for the Lyme. I think when my immune system got back on board, that tx for babs helped more.
What caught my eye was the foot pain and hip stuff. That returned only recently after my move to NC when I was off tx for a few months. Previously I had been on IV and doing very very well. Recovered. a success. Now its a climb back, but I am lucky and persistant enough to have followed thru and done more searching and travelling to a good doc, who put me back on IV.
its scarey after being pretty well to go backwards.
good luck with the babs, and perhaps that levaquin might be of help. it hurts to take it, but I can deal with that body pain more than the nerve pain.

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Tincup, that is a wonderful theory. Bart can cause this too from what I'm reading.

I'm wondering... they found in AIDs patients who have bart (& also in lyme patients with GI bart) that the capillaries or small blood vessels break.

I'm wondering if the bart or babs when they are in the red blood cells enlarges those cells and maybe the capillaries break when those bigger blood cells go through them. I guess some of the capillaries are very small.


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Caat, that's really interesting. I have little red dots that are surrounded by a lighter circle all over me. I first noticed them a few years back, and was told that it's nothing to worry about - it was just a burst capillary!

I used to have a few, they increased quickly when I started Lyme treatment. We suspect I have babs, I've only tested equivocal.


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