I am having a period that is different (using immune modulating herbs is all that's new for me)..and Sasparilla ..regulates hormones I am told.
Regular period synptoms have decreased greatly in these couple of months, but each period bringing odd pains..intense stabbing and whatnot..
This time, there has been extremely heavy bleeding fot 2 days, then tonight.. bleeding where I soaked two pads in less than ten minutes. Extreme.
Then I sat and went to change the pad (over the toilet) and an enourmous "mass" was passed..this is gross but I had to look at it, and put on gloves and got it and it was the size to fill my hand..looked like chicken liver, but much bigger...
Anyone have this happen during a period or alternative "clearing" therapies..
Or any known emergency condition during a period?
I have had no "proceedure" or event that would call for this, pregnancy definatively ruled out.
Sorry for the graphics but I warned you.
Mo
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Oh my Mo.I am sorry you have experienced such a scary thing.
I was letting my dear ole lady, Sadie Dog out this wee hour of the night and thought I would stop by to caych up.
Are you OK now?
Yes, the exact same thing happened to me a few years back.I also got very very weak and cold and clamy.I managed to pull thru and regain my wits and was fine,for awhile.
Check in with your Dr.about this.
Are you OK now?Feel strong or still having heavy bleeding?
After it happened to me I was OK,but did need attention from Dr.
Well,I am back to bed.Hoping you are alright!Mo,are you feeling better?
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I feel still "funny"..not sure if it's more psychological than physiological.
You needed Doc attention, you say?
I just feel funny and weak..and waited up yo see if it kept happening...so far just more heavy bleeding but no more "blobs".
Sorry again for any gross-outs..but too weord to go alone..definately not a normal happening..
Thanks and I am off to bed now, too..will check back..
Mo
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Mo, This sounds like you passed a large blood clot. The lining of the uterus builds up, and then sheds during menses. If hormones are altered, the lining may build up thicker than usual. So then you'd have a menstrual period heavier than usual.
Sheesh, if Sarsaparilla does this, I'm afraid to try it. Carol
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Hi Mo,
I really think you need to see a Gyn about that - I cannot imagine that any herb is "supposed" to bring on that effect. That is just more than a little abnormal - sounds more almost like a hemorrage with blood gushing like that.
Oh, and perhaps rethink about using that herb.
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But I had this kind of chicken liver thing, too in the last few years, when I didn't know I had Lyme. My blobs were not as big as yours, more the size of normal chicken liver. I thought it was because I was getting old.
Then, sometimes, I had very strong bleeding - it was very scary. I read this can happen with Lyme.
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Yes, sounds like a large clot...most definitely.
Want a file on Sasparilla - about 6 pages?
See the ads for Fig Newtons in mags recently?. Roman athletes ate them. Know why?
Research figs. Start with a general research then go to Pubmed. They are analyzing them to make new drugs. Look for the word, "glycoside".
Boy...were the Romans ever ahead of us with regards to nutrition, safe water, sanitation and had amazing hospitals! They took very good care of their soldiers.
We lost a lot of knowledge when that empire fell.
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Mo, I definitely would call the Dr. immediately...I have had such an incident after Becky was born..It looked like it could have served the family had it been liver..It was a combination of leftovers from the pregnancy and probably blood clots.
Now I still am in denial that I too can have this damn disease..But I went thru 2 years of very heavy bleeding..It got so bad that I was very anemic..I would go thru 15 or more pads of tampons a day and somethimes that wasn't enough..
The Dr. tried some hormome things that didn't even touch it..So went the hysterectomy route..I am thankful because I could not be dealing with what is currently on my plate and being so dead tired all of the time.
I also think Carol is probably right with her post..
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Mo:
I agree with the other gals. It does sound like a blood clot.
I don't know how old you are but, peri-menopausal women sometimes get unusual bleeding and the uterus starts "shedding" its lining. Also, periods may come every 2 weeks for a time. This is not uncommon if you are approaching menopause.
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Mo,
I believe that you just passed a huge clot-- I have done that a lot in the past and now. I recently had a vaginal ultrasound and there is a fibroid on my uterus, which gyno thinks is causing heavy bleeding (two pad a day type at one time).
Best to check in with gyno.
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Does this mass look like a clot? You don't mention color.
In my late twenties, I hemorrhaged twice, one year apart, and passed huge clots . My lips actualy turned blue( I waited way too long to go to the ER).
It turned out I was not ovulating, so the lining of the uterus just builds up w/out the usual monthly shedding. Eventually it does shed, but there is so much built up that is as you describe. You said you haven't been regular, so that could explain it.
I am now menopausal and obviously not regular. I have been told that my uterus' lining gets very thick, but I haven't experienced heavy bleeding as in the past.
For my past episodes of very heavy bleeding and heavy clots, I had D& C's. I also had a laparoscopy, no big deal. Nowadays they probably just use ultrasound.
The second time the gyn. also gave me hormones to induce ovulation, after some months taking my am basal temperature to see if I was ovulating myself, but these are basically fertility drugs w/possible side effects to look into (I was young and more compliant then!).
Whe this episode is over, you can buy a basal thermometer at any drugstore I think, and figure out if you are ovulating.
Hope you feel better! Bleeding like that makes you feel kind of woozy and sick.
It doesn't help that we have the flu here, but weak from this thing too.
DH gave his "opinion" this AM trying to say, "you know..when you have the flu, maybe all parts of your body expell allot of stuff.."
I said, "uh..we're talking about my uterus here, it's not like coughing up some phlegm.."
OK..I can check with Gyno..I suppose will wait till offices open tomorrow unless something happens. Thanks for all the ideas to think about.
I'm 38 yrs old..so not sure what age one goes "peri"? I'm sure it varies.
The Sasparilla, I've been taking for three months, and it certainly has altered my periods notably each time, so I know it is having hormonal effects, but not sure it had to do with this..
The color was dark red, not brown.. but consistancy of chicken liver (looking)..
Would that be what a clot would look like?
..or maybe it was built up lining.
It was proceeded by a whole lot of bleeding, now back to moberate bleeding ever since.
Mo
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i used to have trouble like that too. had to have d&c's a few times for it. then hemoraged after my first baby, and yes, the clots look just like liver.
that was 25 yrs ago, i am well past that and had a hysterectomy 9 yrs ago. hallaleuya!
that's a lot of blood mo..., please let us know how you are today.
So hemmhorage is clot.. but built up lining expelled, would that also be "clot"..or is that different.
I will see the Doc (and also will look at healing crisis), but just wondering in the meantime..
You know, I didn't keep it..and usually I would (I asked the surgeons for my son's appendix, so we could test the heck out of it's DNA)..
I thought about it keepong this, but ended up flushing it away.
Marnie..if you breeze by again, I would like your file on Sasparilla if not too much trouble.
m
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Glad you are better Mo. After I expelled my clots, I did feel better.The rest of the period was easy to manage and did not have to worry about soaking thru.But boy,the beginnings I always dreaded!!!I put up with it for too long and my life was sometimes put on hold because of the pain and eventual need to be close to home.
I am sure with having the flu you are feeling worn out today.Please take it easy and be careful.Yes,if you continue to have extreme bleeding and more clots,go to the ER.Sounds like you are much better today,I hope.
I was usually OK after I passed those and as long as I was then having a lighter time of it I was OK.
I had a D&C first and that helped for awhile.The same pattern returned and I had to have the hysterectomy.My last experience was not good,so be careful and please take care.I fainted on the bathroom floor due to such an event.Boy,between Lyme and taking care of the womans side of things....please,give us a break!
Keep a low profile today,keep your feet up and sit by that fire!
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Hi Mo,
Just caught this and wanted you to know I am wishing you the best!
It does sound like a larger version of some clots I ahev passed. Please, if you keep bleeding heavily, get too weak or dizzy, do go to the hospital.
Thirty-eight is not too early to go into peri-menopause, especially with the kind of infections we have, and the treatments we go through. All perimenopause means is your hormonal cycle is going out of regular cycling.
Hope today is better, and the flu passes lightly through your home.
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I used to have very very bad PMS which includes severe symptoms of cramps, back pain, chills, migraine, nauseous sensation, body aches and loss of appetite for days. When my period finally starts I also have heavy discharge and then a big thump size blood clogs so when these passed through my system it caused tremendously pain. I remember these blood clogs started out as a quarter size softer texture and get larger, harder and denser in the last 3 years.
Now yours is huge so I'm sure you had a major blood clog there, my dear.
I've been using herbal treatment for my symptoms now for almost 4 months and I do not have this huge discharge like your. I had my first cycle after 3 weeks on this herb I noticed my all of my symptoms improves already. My second cycle it was better and now I have no ache or pain before my cycle starts and just a very minor twitches occasionally during the first day. The blood clogs have soften and much smaller like the size of a dime and a brighter red now instead of dark dark red before.
Each herbal product function differently and yours sounds very scary. I've been using only herbal treatments for 5 years now and not all herbal products are the same in quality and functions. I'm very happy to know my current programs are extraodinary and I've recommended it to many of my friends already.
Take care and hope you get well soon.
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You certainly have had a lot of response on this. I don't know what they said, but I assume some are like me and have had this too.
It is pretty scary. I am trying to recall when this was taking place. I think it was in the 90's. I also was having other lyme symptoms at the time but still able to go to school and work for the most part although I knew something was wrong.
I do recall going to the docs a few times, but not really getting any answers.
I also recall wearing a tampon and a heavy duty Always Pad but still having to change clothes more times than I would prefer because the flow was so heavy.
I wasn't taking any medications at the time with most likely the exception of excedrin extra strength. Seems like I have been taking that for years off and on.
I also was not having sex at the time so I knew it was not a miscarriage although it reminded me of when I miscarried.
It is good to see a doc just to have it checked out and to know you are doing what you can.
With me, it just went away over time.
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Sending file.
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Good evening Miss Maureen,
I've been thinking of you, and just wanted to check back in to see how you are today.
Please let us know when you feel up for it...
Much love, Melanie
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Hey Mo. Just checking in and read your post. I have to agree with the others about this being a clot - more of tissue and not really blood. What I mean is that it may well be the lining of the uterus, so it has that liver like texture - almost like a placenta if you have ever seen one of those.
Perimenopause starts many years before actual menopause, in fact, from what I have learned the actual process of menopause really takes about 10-12 years to complete, which includes losing our menses. So perimenopause or 'around menopause' starts even before that!
Check with your Mom and see when she started to have irregular periods and that will give you an idea about when you can predict that part of the process....
I think with all of our treatment that our cycles are going to be effected - heavier, lighter, more clots, less, etc. I would make an appt with your gyn for an exam - heavy bleeding would concern me if it becomes a regular feature of your cycles....
Rest up and take care of yourself....if you do pass another large clot at some time, it might be wise to save it (I know that sounds gross), but it may be helpful for the doctor. I actually passed a very large clot a few weeks after the birth of one of my kids - scared the daylights out of me - I saved it and called the doctor - everything turned out fine tho.... cootiegirl
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ditto..lymemomtooo sorry..This was in response to Melanie's posting..Just was not printed as the next post..But I hope things are better..
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Mo:
Hi Mo. Before I went thru menopause - every so often I would expell what you're describing- and they were huge clots (it can look like chunks of raw liver)
Unfortunately, this turned into a massive uterine infection... and in keeping with my 100% rate of mis diagnoses - this was mis diagnosed also.. I eventually for almost 9 months after expelling a big clot, Docs thought I had cancer (D/C didn't stop it) and it turned out to be an infection that I finally diagnosed because the smell got so bad - they finally did a uterine biopsy and it was infection (I was put on 2g of macrodantin for a month)- and went into menopause shortly after that at 37 years old.
If you suspect infection - I would get a biopsy sooner than later...
Sorry to be so discriptive - but hey. This is our lives.
Thanks also for the file Marnie, I have been on Sarsparilla for allot of reasons, one of which was hormonal balance, which I read allot in various information about it's use as a "reproductive system tonic" or for clearing..
Thanks all for all the possibilities to consider. It helps to realize it can be many things going on here, and I don't want to assume anything, and also am frustrated with my experiences with "modern" medicine..
Afraid of a knee-jerk reaction or mis-diagnosis, or of minimalization, or completely missing an infection or condition as in BPeck's case..
Ugh. I guess just to look at it all, and perhaps hope to have a Doc's assistance in taking a looksee and see what they see. Maybe a scraping to biopsy and a scope?
My history with this is just this time so far. I have had small clots before, and was on Chinese herbs for reproductive health way before Lyme with a Chinese Doctor who told me to expect clots..I had some.. but nothing like this, this was huge..
Prior to this alternative addition recently, though..I had more pain always during periods, but much less bleeding.
Since I've been on Sarsparilla Root, I have much less pain and less other symptoms of periods, but more bleeding, and now the BLOB. It could possibly have been large build up of lining or other over the course of allot of things and hormonal shifts..or maybe not, and something is wrong.
I won't assume anything, but that's where I'm at now, and I suppose anything that happens down the line will tell me something too.
Just feeling weak and achey in the uterus and lower back area since, no more passing of anything, and bleeding is winding down. I definately feel lighter
Am drinking and eating to get strength back.
Thanks for all the things to consider..got lots to look at now, it was pretty freaky. I thought seriously of keeping it, and I thought I was wierd to always think that way..
Glad to hear others would and have "held on" to these things..makes me feel less odd.
Suppose you have to be careful to label it well if it's going in the freezer, eh?
Mo
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I had the same thing about 6 months ago. Came with huge cramping and passed clots after that strange thing. It was almost like giving birth again. I'm lucky becuase my father-in-law is an OBGYN, and he reassured me that it was the sloffing of of the uterine lining. My LL put me on the pill, but I went off it because I got worred about blood clots from lying around so much. I do notice that my periods are much longer, heavier and brings on major PMS. Probably a mix of the Lyme disease, no exericse and age. Obviously you should see your Gyno, but it's actually not that unusual. Do a search on GOogle and you'll find lots of info. Fun being a female huh?
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