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winsomme
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can anybody translate german? this is a post of someone that has had success with fluconazole, and Google did a really weird translation.

i am hoping we have some people who can read german here.

here is the link to the german website:
http://www.borreliose-forum.de/cms/html/modules.php?name=Forums&file=viewtopic&topic=2471&forum=1

if you do a google for "flunazul", you will get this as a hit, and then you can ask google to translate, but the translation is kinda unhelpful.


hallo soerfi,zuerst vielen dank f�r die gl�ckw�nsche, ja ich bin noch immer aus dem h�uschen. nun auf deine fragen ich nehme flunazul 100 2x tgl. bereits nach 4 tagen waren meine symptome weg. besser als im augenblick kanns nicht mehr werden. ich hoffe, dass es so bleibt und w�nsche auch dir von herzen alles gute.

wie lange ich das zeug noch schlucken muss, kann ich dir noch nicht sagen, ist auch nicht so schlimm, ich habe keinerlei beschwerden.


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Hi, Winsomme! I do not know german but I have a friend who is German. I will see her tomorrow and she can translate it. Maybe someone else here will get to it before I can get back to you.

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Hi, Winsomme! I do not know german but I have a friend who is German. I will see her tomorrow and she can translate it. Maybe someone else here will get to it before I can get back to you.

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hallo soerfi,zuerst vielen dank f�r die gl�ckw�nsche, ja ich bin noch immer aus dem h�uschen. nun auf deine fragen ich nehme flunazul 100 2x tgl. bereits nach 4 tagen waren meine symptome weg. besser als im augenblick kanns nicht mehr werden. ich hoffe, dass es so bleibt und w�nsche auch dir von herzen alles gute.

wie lange ich das zeug noch schlucken muss, kann ich dir noch nicht sagen, ist auch nicht so schlimm, ich habe keinerlei beschwerden.

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Roughly translated she is saying:

"Yes, I am still beside myself. I am taking Flunazul 100 2 times daily. After four days, my symptoms were gone. It can't get any better than right now. I hope it stays like this and I wish the best for you too.How long I still have to take the stuff, I do not know. It's not bad, I have no complaints."

I have read through parts of the German thread. Apparently she had Parkinsons symptoms. In another section of the thread someone said that one had to take it for 50 days. I will go back to it later. It's murder to try to translate it verbally by going back and forth from their thread to here. My printer isn't working right now. If I get it working, I will print it and translate the whole thread from there.

In the meantime, I guess go out and yourselves some Flunazul. I am going to send it to my doctor to see what he has to say on this.

Take care.


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hallo,
ich denke das muss ich euch dringend berichten. habe seit etwa 6 jahren borreliose mit schlimmsten auswirkungen.

on Dec 12, 1004, Daryl says:

I think I should tell you this urgently. Have had Borrelia for six years with horrible consequences.

nach 4 monaten doxi einnahme war ich allerdings ein v�llig ver�nderter mensch. was jetzt aber mit flunazul passiert ist, kann ich noch selber nicht glauben.

After taking Doxi for four months, I was however a totally changed person. But what happened now with the Flunazul, I can hardly believe myself.

ich bin zumindest im augenblick v�llig gesund. nachdem ich seit 4 jahren nicht mehr alleine bis zum briefkasten gehen konnte lief ich am freitag alleine durch die �berf�llten kaufh�user.

At least at this moment, I am totally well. While I could not walk alone to the mailbox any longer during the last four years, I wandered through all the crowded Department stores last Friday.

kinder, das muss ich jedem erz�hlen in der hoffnung, dass auch anderen damit geholfen werden kann. gott sei dank haben wir von meiner schlimmen zeit filmmaterial sonst w�rde das jetzt keiner glauben.


Kids, I have to tell that to everyone in the hope that it will help others. Thank God we have some photographic materials from my worst times - otherwise no one would believe it.

ich bin soooooooo dankbar und w�nsche euch auch einen �hnlichen erfolg

daryl

I am so thankful and wish you similar success.

Daryl.

Message from me/GiGi:

That note preceded the one I translated in my previous post, obviously. On checking further, the Fluna should be taken for fifty days. I am trying to find the doctor who did the original polling or gathering of info.

As per a note from Daryl to the Forum on Jan 4, 05, she was still okay, but losing weight.
Got to go now. GiGi

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daryl Written 12.12.2004 at 12:27 o'clock

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hello,
I think that must I you urgently report have for approximately 6 years borreliose with worst effects after 4 months doxi income was I however a completely changed human being which however with flunazul happened now, can I still not believe I am at least at the moment completely healthy after I for 4 years no longer alone up to the mail box go could ran I on Friday alone by the overcrowded department stores of children, that must I everyone tell in hope that also thereby can be helped to different God is owing to to have we by my bad time filmmaterial otherwise that none would believe now.

I am grateful soooooooo and wish you also a similar success

daryl





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Hafti Written 12.12.2004 at 12:34 o'clock

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Hello daryl!

Congratulate to you to your success and that it remains also in such a way.
We already talked in the Chat about it. All property Hafti

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soerfi Written 12.12.2004 at 13:37 o'clock

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Hello Daryl,

congratulations on success! Two questions:

how long did you take Flunazul in which dosage?
With you were mushroom illnesses determined before?

All property further,

Soerfi





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daryl Written 12.12.2004 at 21:44 o'clock

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hello soerfi, first thank you for the congratulations, I is still from the little house now on yours does not ask I takes flunazul 100 2x dly. already for 4 meets was my symptoms than at the moment kanns any longer becomes away better I hopes that it remains in such a way and wish also you of hearts all good.

how long I must still swallow things, I cannot say to you yet, am not so bad also, I have no complaints.

daryl





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Rear Daryl,

the one question of Soerfti did not answer, those me personally also burning did not interest. With you were mushrooms determined before?

I be pleased for you! Can present the effect to me, dreams sometimes about it

LG

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daryl Written 12.12.2004 at 22:06 o'clock

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hello gitta,

no, it was evenly an attempt, but very successful.
LG
daryl

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ups Written 13.12.2004 at 07:19 o'clock

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Congratulations...




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Hello Daryl,
super, presses you the thumbs it remains in such a way.

My Borre Spezi wants to try, if all nothing helps, it also with Fluconazol. If I hear like well it you go, is again a small straw there, to which one can clasp oneself.

When I told my physician here of the actually negative experiences in the forum, by which with the inquiry, asked he was reported here at that time me which dosage was immediately taken and whether before also a penicillin was given. I could not answer.
Anyhow he said to me, he would have spoken with the physician, who accomplished the study, and which is successes very well. Which you confirm.

Perhaps the key lies in the direct previous starting from income. And in the long Fluconazol income, which is to take 50 days. Who knows it.

Anyhow I wish you all property.
Love of greetings
Irene





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Yes, zappi, would be to be known interesting. With me it was unsuccessful, perhaps but it started also only 10 days and without any ABs. lags?





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To hear interesting. Your report (improvement after few days) covers itself with the statements of the study author, while the reports through-grow here in the forum rather are.

Times see, perhaps tries I nevertheless sometime times.

Greeting
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This is the Schardt theory of 200mg diflucan
for 30 days.. apparently he increased the time to 50 days.

I think this was discussed as a thread last week here.

It's obviously doing something.

Barb


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It may do something but certainly does not cure Lyme. I have been on 200mg Diflucan (Fluoconazole)for more than a year in add to my abx. I`m doing ok, due to the abx and the Diflucan keeps the sinus problems at bay.
I heard about the German study (which was more a trial I think)months ago and have no explanation for their results. Except that yeast and Lyme symptoms are very much alike.
Kathi

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I took Sporanox (Itraconazole) for a total of six months straight, some prior to antibiotics for Lyme, and some during the early stages of my treatment with doxy.

I was taking the Sporanox due to a diagnosed fungal infection, which was causing off the chart levels of antibody reaction to twelve different fungal strains.

Originally my doctor thought this fungal infection was causing all of my symptoms. I herexed very hard the first two weeks on Sporanox alone. And I use herx in the term of die off beyond the capacity of the body to clear. Some people actually develop serum sickness from the die off.

The Sporanox cleared certain specific symptoms, including shortness of breath, lung congestion, and some of my sinus issues. However, I still tested very positive for Lyme, and later Ehrlichia and possible Babesia.

I'm guessing that many people with Lyme infections also have fungal infections, beyond just "yeast." My doctor says molds will suppress the immune system just like Lyme does, and either infection can make the other harder to treat.

There are layers to fungal reactions. The first is an allergic type reaction. The second is when the body actually becomes colonized by a fungus, usually in an area with a previous injury, like the site of a sinus infection, the gut infection, or lung infection.

Last is when the body develops a toxicity reaction to the fungal body and by-products. This is most severe, and can have the same kind of symptoms as neurological Lyme. Because molds, like Bb, reproduce very slowly, and can only be killed during growth, it takes an extended period of treatment to manage it. This is what I had.

I'm guessing this is why some people are having success treating with Fluconazole, which is a related drug to Itraconazole. Each of these anti-fungal meds targets different organisms, and tends to accumulate in differnt parts of the body. A knowledgeable doctor will treat with the best targeted med.

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Sparked by this article, I started 200 - 400mgs of Diflucan for 40 days straight. 400 for the first 3 weeks and then 200 for the last. It didn't work. It did nothing.
I used to get a big reaction from Diflucan. Maybe I'm immune to it now or maybe it was because I used the generic. Or maybe because it was not the answer.

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There is also a theory that Fluconazole works directly against borrelia burgdorferi by blocking the P450 pathway - I think the physician-researcher's name is Shardt.

I'll try to find the abstract that refers to this, it discusses a pretty small sample of patients but is definitely encouraging.


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What I heard from Dr. B in KC is that it MAY (and I emphasize MAY) keep the Bb's from nutrition, and, in turn, they starve.

However, it is just one theory.

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Thanks, Gigi. I didn't realize this terrain had been covered. The abstract I referred to is the one Barb Peck quotes in the thread you linked us to. Looks like quite a few have used fluconazole and found no benefit against Lyme.
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Warning !

The husband of Daryl just posted in the German forum that she is in hospital since 1 week because she got severe hallucinations and psychosis. She is very bad!

She had started to slowly stop her meds for Parkinsons because she had no more symptoms.

They don't know yet where her problems come from but it might be the Flunazul.

Be careful!

Gabrielle


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I did 40 days of this before starting my Babs treatment and it helped me GREATLY. When I stop this God-awful Mepron, I'd like to try it again.
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