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robi
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I have been tking Epson salt baths for the last 6 days. Hot water, 6 cups Epsom salt and total relaxation. It gets hot, I sweat on the parts of my body that are not in the water. I try to submerse up to my neck,but have to come up for breaks.

After the tub I am BEYOND VERY TIRED, and my heart is racing. My partner said she could see the veins in my neck beating.

Does this happen to you when you bathe in salts?
I think it is helping me but don't want to have a heart attack or pass out.......

Just wondering others experiences.........

Grassy-ass,
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Bummer! I would say you're herxing from the heat. Spirochetes don't like heat! They are dying! Yea!

Been treated for babs yet??

keep killing those suckers!

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Robi, you are going to kill yourself with the toxins coming out with all these baths. Mine shift around after a bath and I actually have swelling around my hips and pelvic area after any detox bath I take.

My alternative dr. tells me to do no more than 3 baths a week, and rotate with different kinds of baths. I never heard of 6 cups of epsom salts either, it's rarely more than 2 at a time.

The baths he recommends for detox are organic apple cider vinegar (2 cups), epsom salt and baking soda (2 cups to 1 cup), and I've added on my own epsom salt and hydrogen peroxide (2 cups to 1 pint).

There's also a ginger bath he wanted me to do, but it was too much for me to handle to buy the ginger, buy a grater, boil it up, etc.

What are you hoping to gain from these baths? There might be other things you can do as well. I was also overdoing it, was also doing daily coffee enemas, and then wondering why there were days I felt like a truck had hit me.

We are all so desperate to heal, it makes me so sad, and I sometimes feel pathetic myself. More is not better.

Godbless, promise me you won't overdo it.


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Heat can be good- but please don't over do. We use heat as part of our therapy. We soak for ten minutes after we start to sweat, then we are done. We use 105 degree water. Any more heat or time can do more harm than good.

You must be fully hydrated if you do this and should have discussed it with your doctor. He/she may prefer you do it a bit differently.

We haven't used epson baths, although I understand they can be good too. It seems 6 cups is more than what is recommended.

The heat does bother the keets, but too much can bother you too.

Be careful
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It does sound like you might be overdoing it. Some cannot tolerate being that hot for so long. Also, six cups is a lot of epsom salt. I don't know what the impact might be, but you might try cutting back.

If you are sweating a lot, you may be losing electrolytes, which can cause heart problems. This is very common in people who overdo heat treatments.

You need to be well hydrated, and maybe need to replace electrolytes. I would back off from pushing yourself so hard. I get lots of benefits from my epsom baths without getting overheated or exhausted.

If it is causing problems, less heat, less salt, less frequency, less time. More liquids to drink, maybe more electrolytes. If it still is a problem, I would stop.

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Epsom salt baths have helped me, however doing them everyday, really hot and with 6 cups of salt would be way too much for me.

When I was sicker the baths wiped me out but were beneficial. I used 1 - 2 cups of salts. I always drank a lot of water before and after. I sometimes felt anxious rather than relaxed while soaking.

During bad herxing a couple of months ago I was really cold for days. One night I forced myself into the tub. After the epsom salt soak I was so warm I couldn't cool off and couldn't get to sleep. After a few hours my temperature stabilized and I didn't get cold again for several days.

Now I'm doing much better. I went on a trip (vacation)this week and brought some salts with me. I'm taking a one week break from podi-patches so I thought soaks would be a good idea to keep toxins under control. I used less than a cup of salts and while soaking scrubbed my skin with a washcloth. I felt both relaxed and energized after these baths.

Easy does it, and stay hydrated.
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Whoah, six cups of epsom salts?

I have only ever done one to two and added some hydrogen peroxide in. I don't do them every day, only when I feel I need it.


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I have had to play around with how much epsom salts, how hot to have the water and how long to stay in the bath myself.

Before coming down with lyme, I really enjoyed soaking in a hot bath, read, light candles, add more hot water...it was my calgon moment.

Now, I am doing well if I can get in the bath...not too hot...soak for a very short time, and get out. I do usually lie down and recover before I am able to dry off and get dressed. It does drain me.

It also does seem to be getting slightly better but I have been trying the epsom salt baths for quite some time now.

I have noticed that the body aches are less if I can routinely take baths two or three times a week.

Another way I detox is with the clay. I mix the clay, put it on my body, let it dry, and shower it off. I try to do this two times a week.

I am not well enough that I can do these things when I choose. I need to wait until my body is strong enough to do these things and the mind is also able to handle the multi tasking.


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The heat will definitely get your heart racing. You can certainly overdo it. Be careful.

How about making it just a touch cooler, staying in a few minutes shorter and heading straight to bed with some water with lemon and letting yourself rest for a good 20-30 minutes?

I require a lot of down time after epsom baths. It feels more like I've been on the treadmill than the bathtub! But I do feel better once my body cools off.


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Robi, you are overdoing it.

You may be sweating out toxins, such as toxic metals, organic compounds, dioxin, and other toxins. Hot bath, sauna therapy, any heat therapy is also ideal to mobilize toxins from its hiding places. However, during a extended hot bath, just as during a sauna, toxic metals can also be displaced from one body compartment into the other. This means mercury can shift from the connective tissue into the brain.

Many marathon runners have moved their toxins into the brain - excessive exercise is just as bad when the body is still holding on to a lot of toxins - of all kinds.
Dr. K. has an unusual number of extremely active sports enthusiasts, runners, etc. as patients, with heavy metals in the brain and Lyme Disease.

f you are on any abx or anti-meds with the aim to kill bugs, and are successful in killing some bugs, at this point of die-off the stored toxic metals also start to go into circulation.

I know that most of you think you are clean (from toxic metals) as fresh driven snow; let me repeat it again, you are not if you live anywhere near a car that runs on gasoline or do any of the everyday things, such as eating and drinking. Heavy metal toxicity is a big part of any disease, it does not exclude Lyme. Heavy metals are found in the cell walls of microorganisms (candida, etc.) If they die, the metals are on the loose.

So any therapies that you undertake have to take that fact of kicking the metals around and relocating them into account. Whether you Rife or whether you jump on a trampoline (which by the way is superior for dislodging some metals in some body parts), or take a super hot bath with added detoxing agents, you need to protect yourself with chlorella, cilantro and garlic. Read my posts on these.

With Lyme Disease and the accompanying infections and underlying toxic problems, our autonomic nervous system is severely affected and it is not able to respond in a normal manner to heat, cold, odor, sounds, light, etc. Everyone toxic from Lyme, metals and all the other microorganisms has experienced that in one form or another. I clearly remember "smelling" my son at the front door to the house, while I was still upstairs; he smelled of Downy, this favorite chemical so many people use. Multiple chemical sensitivities means nothing but temporarily-out-of order autonomic nervous system. It controls every bodily function.

So if the body cannot adjust its own controls any longer as long as we are so loaded, you have to go at it slowly and gently to first unload the major burdens. Then moving slowly into more aggressive therapies will bring results. There is no way to speed things up - your body will respond in the manner it is able to, unless you are really intent on doing more damage.

In other words, it's time to "cool it", Robi.
I am confident - you will get over all of this - but don't set the alarm clock. It's not going to happen that way. Avoid any excessive treatment.

Take care.


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Hey, Robi:

I think you got your answer. Too much!

I take, on average, 2 Epsom Salts baths per week. I only use 1 - 2 cups of salts, some essential oil of choise & some witch hazel. The water is not boiling hot. I soak for no longer than 15 - 20 minutes. Then, I rinse off and dress warmly.

I tried to do a hot bath with lots of salts once during a herx cycle and nearly passed out after. I was so dizzy, my heart was pounding and my BP dropped way down. I felt pretty nauseas so just got in bed and prayed to whomever would listen.

Haven't ever done that again!

Take it easy. Give your body a nice Epson Salt vacation. Oh, and drink tons of water while in those baths.

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Bath water too hot. Heat has a neg. charge...think: shocking the heart (strong neg. charge)...calcium will come out first to "compensate"...to cause immediate contraction, to restart the heart.

As I have said, a LOT of neg charges react with/ call for the positive charges...

Tepid bath.


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WOW........well I guesss that was an overwhelming respose. OK OK I will slow down. Really my alternative doc told me to do this. But I am gonna go every other night and do 3 cups salts instead of 6.

You guys all seem to be in agreement.

Thanks for the collective "mind of reason"
....it is appreciated.

robi

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Since we are on the subject of epsom salts, where are you all purchasing yours?

I pay $3.00 for a 4 pound container. Since I go through two or three a week this adds up and am looking for a way to cut costs if possible. $36.00 doesn't seem like much but those $36.00 here and there add up.

Thanks


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Robi -

My clinicians suggested 1/2 a carton of epsom salts, which is ~2 cups I think?

However, I am also supposed to have someone WITH me to monitor!!

I actually had my first peat bath hyperthermia treatment yesterday (in the clinic) and they had to pull me out of the bath because my heart rate jumped too high for their liking.

They initially had suggested Epsom salt baths whenever I have joint pain or am feverish, but it is imperative that I have someone with me to assist in monitoring my heart rate and temperature.

In the clinic, they pulled me out when my pulse got to 140, but at home I'd say get out WAY before then.

Anyway...just my 2 cents worth...best of luck!

(I'm not sure I'll be continuing the hyperthermia myself right now...not a lot of fun being hauled out of a hubberd tank with peat gunk all over ya!)


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4# bags at WalMart are cheaper. In the neighborhood of $2.

On sale sometimes, esp. in Florida 'cause we feed the Palm trees with it.


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Ok ... went to the doc today. She said cut back to 3 cups ES and baths every other day.

robi


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Heat is a vasodilator and can be problematic (ie. fast heartrate, passing out) for people with autonomic dysfunction.

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Just a hot bath or even a hot shower knocks me out and makes me dizzy... I need to sleep afterwards. Sometimes for a LONG time...lol


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