I wanna believe in natural methods, I just need more proof.

I've read more and more about people that have used natural methods for Cancer and beat it. And how doctors are quick to hand down doses of Chemo and deny treatment for people who refuse to take it.
(Me being one of those)

I've just been reading a lot of information and I'm not biased in any way toward either outcome. I have people in my life who have benefited from both.

I cant curse all doctors just cause my family doctor turned out to be a moron.

But these stories I read about almost mirror the cliche' of doctors not respecting the threat of Lyme Disease all over this country.

Its almost like we need some celebrity sponsorship for a kick start.

thanks

Remember Penicillin is a natural mold, Quinine is tree bark, Antemisia is made from Wormwood, Oxycycline was natural, Bismuth is an antibiotic, Garlic is an antibiotic, Silver is an antibiotic, and the list goes on and on. Now they give us very expensive synthetic antibiotics that do not work as well.

Actually Quinine and Artemesia is making a comeback because that combo works and is dirt cheap. Watch out to get real tree bark quinine, synthetic quinine does not work as well, it only has the anti-parasite (malaria) capeabilities. Real quinine kills virus, bacteria, and parasites. In fact it was once used to treat cancer, and is still used for heart disease.

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Originally posted by dullchime:
Ive been taking Doxy for 8 months until just recently. My fiance' and I have been arguing for months about natural remedies as opposed to the conventional prescribed way.

I wanna believe in natural methods, I just need more proof.

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Dullchime,
My view is why pick just one. From what I have gathered, people who use a variety of both do better. I took alot of natural stuff before I got in to see the LLMD.

They helped to greatly reduce my symptoms before my appointment. If it had not been for them, I would not have been able to make the long trip to see him. By the way, my LLMD recommends both.

It involves major life changes...get off JUNK foods, etc.

There are many reasons why her program is effective.

It takes TIME...many months of being dedicated and it takes committment.

Very, very hard for most (me included)!

Could it work for lyme too? Very possibly.

I, too, know people who have gotten well from "death beds" by making serious adjustments to their eating, drinking and exercise habits.

I give those people a LOT of credit...it's not easy...and hard to believe.

The remainder of my treatment has been with natural agents and therapies. Same for my husband.

I have been well for several years. My husband is also well.

There is no way around doing about a hundred different therapies and remedies. It is a multi-faceted disease and takes a multiple approach.

I have never felt better in my life. I am still here sharing what I have learned - because that's what I promised myself I would do if I got well again.

Take care and give it a try.

You might check out the KMT22. The KMT technology is new and revolutionary. It uses four different but simultaneously applied, high-frequency-superimposed biological waveforms. The interference pattern is creating thousands of harmonics which are then manipulated into the specific published microbial inhibition frequencies (against Bb, all inherent infections). This stealthy microcurrent travels freely through the body reaching all tissue. Done in such a way that the body never creates resistance to it. The microbes are inhibited in their metabolic and sexual activity and gradually die out or disappear from the body. The KMT frequencies are desinged to not only interfere with the reproductive mechanism of the microbes and parasites, but also to awaken the immune system, to recognize the invaders and at the same time help to absorb and shuttle the effective medicationto the body compartment wherethe infection actually is. Otherwise most meds/remedies never reach the target in sufficient concentration to do any good.

If you want more info, please e-mail me.

I use it now for "luxurious bathing" and the facial mask that works with it makes for a super facial treatment. It works for pain, lymph drainage, and can be applied almost anywhere to the body. It is going to live in our house forever, and come mosquito/tick time, we are prepared. I will never be helpless again.

As an aside:
Our son's sweet dog got run over by a car a week ago, had a huge bump on the head and her hind leg was hurt. She was not walking - she got Neural Therapy with Traumeel from my doctor's assistant and then she spent the night next to the KMT240 (a little larger and more elaborate unit) with signal enhancers next to her, just beaming the frequencies onto her for about five hours.
She is so much better again, now walking the stairs. She will come visiting again tomorrow and will get another treatment via the KMT.

I didn't get better until I went off of antibiotics. THe first two months were utter HELL. Your body goes through alot of hormone adjustments, and much much more when you quit abx.

Had I not known that, I would have screamed relapse and jumped back on them.

I'm glad I didn't. I work with an ART practitioner recommended by Mercola.com

and continue to get better every day. BUT , thats just *me*.

However, after 4 yrs of abx, i was still left with pain, fatigue, and depression.

All three are now a distant memory. I've been taking Xango since last April and I feel wonderful! I've been off abx since November.
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1) grapefruitseed extract: 25 drops (250 mg) in 10 oz water, with olive leaf extract, also 250 mg, twice a day between meals.
This can be a little hard on the gut, especially if that gut also dealing with massive doses of doxycycline and cefuroxime axefil.. To counteract this, yarrow tea (1tsp steeped 5+ minutes in 8oz water) was very effective.

2) garlic - caps , pills, or gel-caps of extract, 2 or 3 pills a couple times a day, with food. I actually found it even more effective to chew and choke down a couple cloves of raw garlic, a coupl times a day. that's not for the faint-of-heart, though!! Acocado or nut butter or cheese, and some water helps to soothe the tongue, while chewing and swallowing a little at a time.

3) artimesia anua, 500 mg twice a day to start, increasing to 1 gram twice a day, then often substituting 100mg artemisinin (the extract of atimesia anua) for one of the 500mg caps of raw artimesia anua.
- I did 3 weeks on, one week off of this; and mainly took it for babesia, though it may well have help nail the lyme as well. This was the most effective medication I took in all my treatment I made the most striking improvement after I had been taking this for a couple weeks. The forst week there was a hint of some kind of "herx-like" thing happening, but not too bad; apparently this stuff is a little toxic, but much more so to the babesia.

4) colloidal silver- had a rapid effect on symptoms- too fast for it to be a real cure, it seemed; more like ibuprofen. However, I have heard others relate that they though it may have had a good long-term effect. For some reason, I got the feeling I should be careful not to take too much, though. (maybe it was because I read somewhere that it can make you turn blue after extended use (literally).
(Though I woulda been happy to be blue on the outside rather than painfully blue on the inside...)
DaveS

I will always use the KMT22 for a prophylactic, especially for heavy metal and chemical exposure, as well as all other microbials that are so prolific in our lives now, which none of us can escape as long as we live on this earth. Pestcides and chemicals are all around us. Some of the stuff we bring home from the store is loaded with it; our laundry, our food and plastic containers, and our cosmetics.

Check the fine print on your vitamins and supplements. You will find it as E171 (so nobody knows what it really is) or Titanium Dioxide in many products. Read the labels carefully. It is in many toothpastes, even the ones from the healthfood stores. It is in the very expensive Vitalzyme - it is in some Allergy Research products until my doctor called them on it. That stuff is toxic. We are presently researching some of the extras in antibiotics. We know it is in some of them.

Having attended this weekend a 3day seminar on "how to create a healthy home" - I am even more alerted to our exposures. It was attended by many physicians and one of our worst exposures is definitely now the EMF, electromagnetic fields, that are bombarding our body and brain 24/7, if we don't watch it or do something about avoiding it. It is difficult to avoid. At least, try to have your computer at least six feet away from where you sit. As far away as you can move it.

My doctor was recently called to a hospital -just born infant - that was having seizures within an hour of birth. Testing with ART, followed by lab testing, revealed that the infant was toxic with a pesticide called "endrin" (sp?)
which had been outlawed 20 years ago. The mother's father was exposed to this pesticide 20 years ago where he worked. This pesticide was found in the mother's breastmilk. The same mother had miscarriages, and her sister cannot have children either. The infant did not survive.

Dr. K. then started to detox the mother with all the tricks that he has developed over the years. We are all hoping for a healthy baby.

The new hybrid automobiles (Ford, Honda, etc)
have heave EMF's. The worst place in these cars is in the back seat where the children usually sit. The battery is under the backseat. We know that EMF is deadly - starting with brain cancer. The 2005 Volvo is the worst that has been tested by one of our own doctors for chemical and EMF output. He is expecting a baby any day and looked at all the cars available. Not these.

So watch your exposure in your home. Use vinegar and bakingsoda for cleaning. Don't sleep with the cordless phones in the bedroom. Pull the fuses into the bedroom at night. The electromagnetic fields come through the wall - the wiring in the houses in the US is inadequate and often unsafe.

Keep the cell phones away from your body. Don't walk around with them on your body.
Use them as little as possible. The research has been done, but just as some dentists are still putting amalgam into people's mouth or doing root canals that are known to become a constant toxic source to your body, not many care or can afford to speak up to warn us. We have one of these very ill people, still advocating the use of some of these deadly repairs right on this very board. I have to hold onto myself when I read the posts and recommendations made. People can get well when they remove the stuff and detox their body. They do get well and can abandon their wheelchair and can become functional human beings again. My husband is a perfect example of this.
But as my doctor often says, too sick to still be able to think clearly, mainly from the same toxin they still put into their patients. If you wait too long, there is no help.

This should make it very clear that not all symptoms are Lyme symptoms. Most neurological symptoms feel alike, yet have other causes. In this case, abx is not the answer. I want to reiterate again as I have done many times before, you have to address all neurotoxins: bacterial, viral, parsitic, chemical, metal, fungal, dental in origin. Then you can get well and go on in a new life as we are doing.

I am glad to hear that some others are finding help with ART.

Take care.

I want that KMT22!

Oh boy! now we have to worry about our cars! Thanks for the heads up, GIGI!

Would also like to add that many of us, after abx treatment, are left with much 'sludge' in our bodies.

We need to detox. I think that is critical if we are ever to recovery completely.

I think this is why so many of us get to around 90% better and just can't overcome that last 10%. We are fooled into thinking we still have some active Lyme when in actuality it's the toxins are bodies are left to deal with.

I have been relatively strong throughout despite experiencing some truly horrific symptoms in about every system of my body.

I work in a responsible job more than 40 hours a week. My job often requires travel. I only tell you this to give you a sense of my "strength" in illness. I offer this by way of saying that I firmly believe combining all possible healing modalities including antiobiotics and other treatment methodologies is the key to healing.

I attribute my strength to the following--

1. been receiving accupuncture on an at least monthly basis for 13 years. Accupuncture is amazing at moving energy in your body and helping you to stay strong!! I absolutely believe this is key to my strength.

2. There have been long periods (17 months) when I was too weak, but when I am well enough, I do a very vigorous regimine of anusara yoga which builds both strenght and flexibility, brings in mind and spirit and meditation. It gives me a lot of energy. And I feel like it builds on itself, the more I am able to do yoga the more strong and able to do yoga I am.

3. I eat an organic, vegetarian diet. I do not eat fast food ever, I do not drink soda ever, I drink lots of tea and water. I try to limit my intake of processed foods of any sort. Although I choose this lifestyle long before diagnosis, I believe it is part of what keeps me relatively strong.

4. I never take chinese herbs because I don't trust that I can know whether they are contaminated with heavy metals and pesticides. Some studies have shown this to be true of chinese herbs.

5. I take many natural supplements, usually organic if at all possible. I think Gigi is right to look at all the ingredients including the "inert" ones. I wish I was as on top of this as she seems to be. While I know it is important, I just haven't had the time to do as much research as I'd like.

6. I've seen various healers including a witchy woman in Taos and a Dineh medicine man. No Question they helped me. If I still had access to them I'd be seeing them today.

6. I take high doses of antibiotics and thank god for them!!!!!! Before antibiotics I was sliding into dementia in a serious way. Thanks to abx I have a good chunk of my brain and memory back.

I do much the same as you do....except for the yoga....I workout.

And yes accupuncture is amazing. It is te first thig that helped to ease my pain. I go twice a month when I can.

Questions for you.........
How long were you or have you been on ABX?
How long between Infection and treatment with abx?

robi

I will try to incorporate this into my healing now and acupuncture.

I think pomegranite is right on.