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dullchime
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during the past year I've noticed that my teeth were really getting pretty gunky (plaque)

I really never had the greatest teeth but now I use the dentist scraping tool and I just cant keep up! I spoke with a friend of mine who has lyme and he said the same thing that its seems like his teeth are just rotting now.


Anyone else have this from abx or just Lyme by itself.

Just a thought, just wondering.


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Have you tried Plax mouthwash? Use it before brushing for best results.

My teeth do seem to collect more plaque than they used to. I go for cleanings every 6 months.

I would caution against scraping your own teeth. You could damage the enamel.

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I actually have green rot on the back of my teeth from Biaxin.

It can ALSO happen not only due TO antibiotics, but due to a few other reasons:

1.) Alot of antibiotics induce stomach acid, ie. GERd.
Gerd can rot the teeth
2.) Abx promote yeast
Yeast can promote teeth rotting


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yeah I swear by Listerine- always have. Didnt really save me here though huh..

I WAS on doxy which coupled with wonderful yeast that crept up---

sheesh- I could make my own beer with my spit. THATS gross.

Ive got lots of repairs to do to this body when this is all over.

whiten my teeth
lose 30 pounds
get rid of scars from all the rashes Ive had
I could go on and on..


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Dullchime-

I had gunky mouth too when I first had lyme. Neither the dentist or PCP( before llmd) could tell me if the abx(doxy), the lyme or whatever was causing it.

Well, this is what eventually happened. I turned up with cervical displasia on my next PAP. I wasn't pleased with the gyn's plan, re-test, then slice and dice.

I got on line and discovered that cervical dysplasia is caused most often caused by folic acid deficency and in Europe routenly treated with folic acid orally. I was all ready anemic without a good cause or explaination so I suspected a connection.

So I treated myself( details are on line) until the pap retest, Back to the mouth. 3 days after I started the high doses of folic acid my mouth was suddenly clean again. More research found that dental plaque and of course blood plaque is reduced with proper amounts of folic acid.

My next pap was normal and my teeth
are clean.

It wasn't until I started with my current llmd in Kennett that the mystrey of the iron and folic deficency were solved. I have a mild gluten intolerence, just enough to cause inflammation and malabsorbsion of food and suppliments. So basically while I was eating well I had malnutrition.

I eliminated all wheat from my diet and have seen my iron levels come up to normal without suppliments. My teeth are still clean. The dentist recently commented on how clean they are. I take a low dose of folic acid daily.

I hope this helps. Spelling is a struggle today-

Mel


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My fiance' was diagnosed with dysplasia of the cervix about 2 years ago, I'd love to read up on the folic acid some more.

Was there any specific product you were taking to clean the teeth with the folic acid?

chime


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I took regular folic asid suppliments orally. They worked systemically. I'll try to find the info if I can.

There was a folic acid mouth wash for peridontal disease discussed on one web site, but it was only sold in Europe at the time.

This all happened 4 (?) years ago.

Mel


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I searched the net using "dental folic" and "dysplasia folic" and had good sites with lots of info came up.

The folic acid monthwash was mentioned, it must be available in the us now.

Mel


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My teeth got dark stains almost immediately after starting Biaxin. They became white with one dental cleansing. Since switching to Ketek, I only have stains in between my teeth.
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Cave....I was just repeating the caution my dentist gave me. I may have misinterpreted what he said!

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I am 22 now, and prior to the past two years, I never had a cavity in my life...I have like 5 now, and osteomyelitis(sp) where i got a dry socket after my wisdom teeth were pulled
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Any soda pop or anything sugary will do this fast because of the abx's killing all bacteria then yeast and other stuff takes off in your mouth. Take a acidophilis or 2 apart and disolve them in your mouth it will help everyday. And in between but apart try hydrogen peroxide as mouth wash but dont swallow ant and rinse real good.

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Also, be aware that most anti-depressants cause dry mouth. If you are on an anti-depressant, you need to stimulate the saliva in your mouth by drinking lots of pure water, sucking on sugar free candies and rinsing with a dry-mouth formulated mouthwash.

I have spent the last month (& more to come) having my teeth cleaned and repaired due to cracking from abx and others meds. My hygenist said the worst mouths she sees are the ones in people who are on Doxy or Biaxin.

Be sure to clean and rinse your teeth often. Get professional cleanings a minimum of every 6 months. AND, change your toothbrush often.

You can also suck on acidophilus lozenges to help replenish the good flora. Udo's Choice has a good one.

Bc


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Where could I get acidophilus lozenges?

I guess I could google search it.


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Never saw acidophilis lozenges.
I just bought the kind that was in a capsul that you can pull apart and dump the contents in your mouth and let disolve.

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Funny --- I just asked my doctor about this 3 days ago.....Even when I used to smoke my teeth per always perfectly white. I have always taken extremely good care of my teeth. I noticed after 3 months of doxy my teeth have a gross brown colored film on them. I brush my teeth several times a day but nothing is working. Dr. claims it's not from the meds....I think he's full of it!
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dentist oppinion:
abx kill all bacteria and are not specific to bb., hence the normal flora of bacteria in the body ,either mouth, intestines, wherever,are also killed by the abx.
hence several things happen.
1) yeast overgrows and takes over where ther are no longer bacteria. yeast infections can be extremely dangerous and extremely dibilitating.
2) overgrawth of harmful bacteria can occur, strept, staph, e-coli,and cause infection to death.
3) overgrowth of viruses that are dormant in the body EBV, herpes,mycoplasms, causing more autoimmune disease.
4)many abx when they kill the bacteria in the mouth, etc, cause heavy decay and destruction of the teeth due to the lack of protection by normal flora.the abx also can stain the teeth.
5) all lyme patients should have prophylaxtic cleaning of the teeth every 3-4 months instead of 6 months and many may need every month.
peridex and fluorides will help with peiodontal disease and cavities.extreme meticulus hygiene is important to prevent tooth propblems but also other infections of the body.
cave 62 is correct you can not damage enamel with curretes but can gouge root surface and cause area of decay or deposit for bacteria.

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Yes, I've been on ABX, including Biaxin, for seven months, and I was shocked and scared to see the horrible black/green gunk all over the backs of my teeth. I first thought it was from all the green tea I drink each day, but the LLMD told me it was due to the ABX. I brush every few days with hydrogen peroxide and baking soda, and I plan to get a cleaning as well.
Thanks for the info!

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Hard calculus/plaque? behind my bottom teeth...lots of it. Gotta go for cleanings 3x/year.

When I took Biaxin I had black stains on my teeth (bottoms mostly) that I could not remove, but the dentist could. He conjectured it was a ferrous sulfite? fate? whatever. (It is not the same type of discoloration that can occur with doxy) Biaxin makers now put a warning of possible teeth discoloration in their literature.

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peridex with also cause the same kind of staining. i think it might be from the killing of the natural bacteria in the mouth and not the actual medicine.
the dark stain i very normal with many meds and can be removed by a hygienist of with some of the new electric, sonic toothbrushes along with topol toothpaste which is an old smokers toothpaste which is more abrasive. they also sell otc a dental toothbrush that goes in a circular motion like a dental handpiece for about $30 that can be used with abrasive toothpaste to remove stains. use only when get stains not every day it is very abrasive and will actually grind away the enamel and dentin over time leaving very very very senistive teeth.

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I had 4 cavities out of the blue before using any antibiotics. But my dental hygenists says I have alot of plaque. I have to go every three months. She knows I have lyme and wants to make sure my teeth stay healthy.

Does everyone do the floride treatment? I ussually refuse it.

I notice my teeth are getting dark in between.


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I haven't had any cavities in over 20 years, but I have to go to the dentist every 3 months now because of the amount of plaque along the gum line. When I used to go every 6 months I would usually have to have a expensive debridment. The Dentist feels if I wait every 6 months might rish getting gum disease.
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I didnt realize how much damage can really happen by all the treatments for lyme disease. And its not actually the disease either!

Yeah I got that Doxy disgusting brown film on my teeth and my teeth were never this bad looking.

oh well


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I take colloidal silver and have not had a single need to go to the dentist in years. My dog also has nice shiny teeth after about 6 mos of cs in the water. Before cs I had tons of problems.
Note: yes dental bacteria are one of the over 650 pathogens cs works against in vitro.

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Before I knew what I had, one of the weirest sx. was teeth became hollow and tons of cavities. Spent thousands on those darn things.

My contention is the lyme ate up all the calcium in my body and started attacking calcium in teeth and bones.

I take a couple Citrical now and feel better(arthritis) and seems to stem holes thru teeth. Dentist says that is all bunk tho, because he knows better.

I dont think my teeth falling out is from abx or stains etc.

I am going to get store bought chompers real soon. Do those get cavities too??? Or how does one care for those?? Everybody says upper are no problem but lowers will drive you nuts. Any opinions? --jd--


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Just thought I'd mention that at the beginning of this post I stated I talked with a friend that also had Lyme. I forgot to mention that he refused to take abx and still does.

Just some food for thought, he also complained about the rotting teeth.

It was nice to talk to someone face to face that knew about Lyme and someone that wasnt a doctor.

chime


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Yes, Calcium is very important for healthy teeth, as Don mentioned. I take more since being on abx.

The acidophilus lozenges are from Udo'd Choice. You can only get them in the refrogerated section of the health food store. Or, you can buy them on-line from Udo's web site or from i-herb. They ahve a tiny bit of a sweetener in them (just a warning).

Bc


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these last 3 posts are bogus. sorry but the truth be known once the teeth form they do not release calcium. they are the hardest tissue in the body and after cremation are the only thing left.that's why they are used on to identify bodies in plane crashes.
teeth decay and get large holes for several reasons.
1) to much sugar, also long exposure to sugar as in chewing gum, hard candies, and sip drinks with sugar all day long.
2) loss of protective saliva in the mouth that wash off the bacteria from the teeth.
this can be from drugs,ie antidepressants, radition tx for cancer, salivary stones, sjorgen's syndrome and viral& bacteria infection of the salivary glands.
3)total lack of dental care brushing and losts of sugar.
4)many drugs reduce the saliva flow and cause massive decay.
there is no mechanism for calcium to leave the enamel and cause cavities so supplimental calcium once the enamel is formed, after 6 or 7 years old, will not uptake into the enamel.

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Clarification on my "bogus" post about calcium and teeth. I don't think I said calcium has anything to do with the tooth enamel. I take calcium for the health of my bones (jaw) that my teeth are somehow attched to. I had a tooth literally rot away because the bone below was not healthy. It is very important to keep the bones and gums healthy - calcium can help with that.

It's not just the teeth and/or the enamel that we need to worry about. It is the entire mouth. That is why saliva production is also important.

Bc


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