LymeNet Home LymeNet Home Page LymeNet Flash Discussion LymeNet Support Group Database LymeNet Literature Library LymeNet Legal Resources LymeNet Medical & Scientific Abstract Database LymeNet Newsletter Home Page LymeNet Recommended Books LymeNet Tick Pictures Search The LymeNet Site LymeNet Links LymeNet Frequently Asked Questions About The Lyme Disease Network LymeNet Menu

LymeNet on Facebook

LymeNet on Twitter




The Lyme Disease Network receives a commission from Amazon.com for each purchase originating from this site.

When purchasing from Amazon.com, please
click here first.

Thank you.

LymeNet Flash Discussion
Dedicated to the Bachmann Family

LymeNet needs your help:
LymeNet 2020 fund drive


The Lyme Disease Network is a non-profit organization funded by individual donations.

LymeNet Flash Post New Topic  New Poll  Post A Reply
my profile | directory login | register | search | faq | forum home

  next oldest topic   next newest topic
» LymeNet Flash » Questions and Discussion » Medical Questions » Fresh Meat for the grinder

 - UBBFriend: Email this page to someone!    
Author Topic: Fresh Meat for the grinder
Noob
Member
Member # 7052

Icon 1 posted      Profile for Noob     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote 
First off, I want so say greetings to all as I am new to this board and this horrid illness.

I was kissed by a tick about two months ago (inside my nose of all places). The little monster fell out on my keyboard dead after a two week battle with what I thought was a staf infection. Unfortunately I lost the bug in the confusion in the next few weeks.

Two weeks after the keyboard bug (about one month ago) I was hit with meningitus-like symptoms and a small seizure. Because I travel into third world countries frequently, I keep a supply of meds on hand. At this time the strongest oral antibiotic I had was Cindamycin, which I started taking. Symptoms reduced greatly after 36 hours and I continued this 300mg 2x day, for about a week. I also added Plaquenil 200mg 2x day, which seemed to help with symptoms. During this time I put two and two together (tick bite + the classic symptoms) and found this site. After much reading, I decided to change to Doxycycline (200mg 2x-3x day) plus the Plaquenil and continued this for 3 weeks.

I took 'Cats Claw' one day which I believe started what you call a 'Herx'. Most symptoms returned, plus kidney pain, testes pain, difficulty passing water, and had cloudy urine for a few days. I switched back to just the Clindamycin at the beginning of this and all these symptoms were reduced or disappeared.

I checked into the local hospital, where they took blood/urine samples, electocardiagram and sent off for a "Titer" test (takes a week) and was released diagnosed as healthy with a non-specific headache (just shoot me). The emergency room MD unofficially suggested I continue the Doxy though. The following day another MD (Lyme uninformed to be charitable) told me that Lyme was not a problem here (west coast of Oregon) and suggested a thyroid blood test. All I can say is thank god a rabid pitbull hadn't fallen from my nose or I'd be finished.
Now I await the results of the so called "Titer test" and am basically still on my own as far as medication and treatment. I seriously would be better off in a third world country where I could walk into the local farmacia and pick up what I need easily and cheaply. I have theories why MDs plead ignorance and are ineffective, but it does me no good to rag on them at this point.

Anyway, that's my story and I'm sticking to it, until I've moved on to the vegetable bin.

Any feedback appreciated.


Posts: 40 | From Pacific NW | Registered: Mar 2005  |  IP: Logged | Report this post to a Moderator
treepatrol
Honored Contributor (10K+ posts)
Member # 4117

Icon 1 posted      Profile for treepatrol     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote 
Sent you a list of Oregon LLMDS


WELCOME To LYMENET


Here's more goodys! A typical response to newcomers.

Hi and WELCOME! Get a LLMD or at least Dr that is willing to learn about lyme. Borrelia Burgdorferi is a clinical diagnosis, based on symptoms and on your response to treatment. Good Luck, bumpy road ahead.

Post for a LLMD in Seeking a Doctor. Ps remember I am not a Dr, just a fellow sufferer.

Lyme State Info Cheryl's
LYME DISEASE TREATMENT & DIAGNOSIS
Cheryl's LDT&D

Conflicts in Lyme

How to Search Courtesy of Danq
TC LymeNet Links for New Members
TC 50 Questions

TC Warning To Posters

Lida Mattman

DISEASE INFO - COINFECTIONS

Newbie's Lingo

Links for family members

Lyme Disease Audio Network
Dr. Joseph J. Burrascano's Treatment Guidelines
CDC Website on Lyme Disease
International Lyme and Associated Disease Society

Lyme Disease Symptoms
Rashes
Co-IinfectionsThanx M

Rose's 15 Facts for Newcomers
Making the Most of Your LLMD Visit
Camp A and Camp B, The Lyme Disease Contoversy
2nd Version Camp A Camp B


MP Controversy
MP 2


Why You Can't Trust Medical Journals Anymore
Something to share with friends and family members But You LOOK Good!

Labs
MDL
Igenex Labs
Q-RIBb
Western Blot Info
FDA It is important that clinicians understand the limitations of these tests

Explaining Borreliosis (Lyme) Western Blot Tests
Explanation of Western Blot Bands
Igenex Labs on the Western Blot
Melissa Kaplan's Lyme Website Explains Western Blot
Dr. C Explains Western Blot
( No you don't always see a bite and if there's no bullseye the only way your going to be able to tell is (symptoms) and (((Maybe))) WB or lyme dot blot 3 day urine banged with abx's to free your antigens up for the test.
- = Not Present
+ = Low
++ = Medium
+++ = High
+/- = Equivocal = Indeterminate its there but not as intense as low) )

See this ( . )thats the size of the larva stage tick...
Next nymph size... ( * )
Next is adult ( o ) to ( 0 )
Pretty small????? HUH

Western Blot
Blood Brain Barrier
ABX `s Cross Blood Brain Barrier


Drug Interactions and Other Drug Info
Drug Digest
American Medical Women's Association Tiscali Reference Encyclopedia


Herxing
What Is a Herxheimer Reaction?
What Is Herxing?
The Herxheimer Reaction

Herxheimer Reaction Explained

Candidiasis

Quote Lida

Ilads

Yeast Problem Diet too
ZIPZIP Thanks

IntestinalFlora

Parasites
Put word Diarrhea in Search
Morgellons
Infestations

More Tick Disease

Infectious Disease List

Coinfections 1

Coinfections 2

Bartonella Rash's

RMSF

RMSF Tree

RMSF Spotless=HME

Tularemia
Tularemia

Tularemia Rabbit Fever

Mycoplasmal Infections
Mycoplasmal CDC

Mycoplasma

Autoimmune Debate

Alzheimer's

Elderly Alzheimer's

ALS

Another Story

Lou Gerhrig's ALS

Lida M
Good Article ALS MS And More Etc
Good Article ALS
ALS
Lou G ALS
M S
MS
Danette MacDonald
I'm not giving up
ALSO trigger MS
Lyme a hidden danger
The saga continued
Tom Grier
Links


Check Diet Link Atkins Diet

PORT-A-CATH (catherter)
Abx's Port

Prolotherapy

Transmission Lyme
Transmission Fleas Mosquito's Food Etc
Transmission Etc

Sexually Transmitted ???
Transmitted Through Sex?
Sex Question-Serious-Adult Content
Video On Demand: Blood Supply May Be Source Of Lyme Disease Infections

Good Site Canadian Lyme Disease Association
FDA on Lyme Testing


InsuranceLaws
Medical Records Privacy
Legal Help
Legal Help
Legal Help
Legal Help
Legal Help

MatthewGoss Site

GreatSite
MedicalDictionary

Cheryl's Site

MorphologySimplified

Tonsils crimson crescents

Killing Lymphocytes By Spirochetes

Wealth of Info

Support
USA Support

SupportGroups Canada

Canada SupportGroups

Associations, Foundations, and Support by Country


Marnies......... Ten Points Regarding Mg and Lyme Disease
In a Nutshell P1

In a Nutshell P2

Part1 Long over Due
Part2
Part3
Part4
Part5
Part6
Part7

Updated in a Nutshell
For My Friends

Canlyme MAG
Silver Discussions
Silver Treatments


Help with Meds

Help! Free Meds

Vitamins you should Know

Tests Synonyms Guide

Lab Tests Looky

Blood Donor Info
Pain Info


Female Related Problems
Female Issues
Unplanned Pregnancy
Pregnancy
Pregnancy?
TC Link Pregnancy

Insurance SS Disability Help Minoucat Bunches of Goody's

How to apply Permethrin

Tick Testing

Herbs Be Careful
HerbsCancer Center
Duramater NeuroPsych Info Kids&Adults
Neurologic Lyme
Neurologic Lyme
Neurologic Lyme
Scans & How they Work

How Cat Scan Works

How PET Scan Works

How MRI Works

How XRAY Works

How UltraSound Works
Explains LD50 Chemicals Toxicities
MSDS SITE
Silver
Interested in what Trolls are?
1.


2.

Remember This
Rules

Success Stories
ALDF Four Poster Coup


LD Chat Room Links
Spirochetes Pics Link
SPIROCHETES FORMS 1
SPIROCHETES FORMS 2
SPIROCHETES FORMS 3
SPIROCHETES FORMS 4
Conspiracy Theories
US Patent Pathogenic mycoplasma

A copy of this is stored in computer Help section.

[This message has been edited by treepatrol (edited 06 April 2005).]


Posts: 10564 | From PA Where the Creeks are Red | Registered: Jun 2003  |  IP: Logged | Report this post to a Moderator
HEATHERKISS
Frequent Contributor (1K+ posts)
Member # 6789

Icon 1 posted      Profile for HEATHERKISS     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote 
Welcome to the club. At least your figured it out early.

Post on seeking a Doctor that way you can get a LYME LITERATE DOCTOR in your area or driveable distance.

Good Luck,
Heather


Posts: 1974 | From ABERDEEN, NJ 07747 | Registered: Jan 2005  |  IP: Logged | Report this post to a Moderator
lou
Frequent Contributor (5K+ posts)
Member # 81

Icon 1 posted      Profile for lou     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote 
Good luck finding a lyme doc in OR! Not very promising.

But, you are at a stage when adequate treatment can knock this in the head, so it is important not to let it slide. Do whatever it takes, or you will end up with chronic lyme like the rest of us.

Here is a good place to start in your search for a lyme literate doc:
http://www.lymenet.org/SupportGroups/UnitedStates/Oregon/OLN.shtml

The other thing is that doxy will not treat all the germs the tick might have given you. This med will hit lyme and ehrlichia but not babesia. Some of us get several diseases at a whack from generous ticks.

This is why you need to find a doc who will know a lot about tick borne diseases.

By the way, the titer test or ELISA, is known for many false negatives. So, the result of your test will not be conclusive. FDA has issued two advisories to say that lyme is a clinical diagnosis.


Posts: 8430 | From Not available | Registered: Oct 2000  |  IP: Logged | Report this post to a Moderator
Noob
Member
Member # 7052

Icon 1 posted      Profile for Noob     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote 
Thx for the response folks. Thank god for the internet, twenty years ago I'd be lost on this issue and at the mercy of uninformed yet egotistical MDs. I am absolutely floored that professionals in my area are in denial over the Lyme issue as I'm located next to the rain forest and elk populated areas (where the ticks are).

Thx for the test info Lou, I was unsure what "Titer" meant. I'm not placing much faith in the test either way, but would be helpful to know exactly what I'm up against, so I can treat effectively. As I mentioned all test to date have been normal (including the thyroid test as of 5 min ago) I'm petty much 'flying by the seat of my pants' on the treatment and using the reoccuring symptoms (mainly the horrid feeling at the back of head [not pain]) as indicator as to what is effective.

Clindamycin 600mg day, seems to work the fastest, but not the best when it comes to CNS.

Tetracycline 2000mg day, symptoms returned rapidly.

Rifampin 600mg day (for secondary infection), stopped for side effects.

Plaquenil 400mg day (for secondary infection and protazoa), seems to help with arthritic symptoms also, but with some side effects.

Doxycycline 400-600mg day (about all I can stand) to hopefully break thru to CNS infection.

All I have left in the bag is Sulfatrim D/S (sulfanethoxazole/trimethoprim) which hasn't been effective for me in the past with other infections.

and also Penicillan G injectable (of which I don't have the stones to use) .

------------------------------------------

Thx for the list of links Treepatrol, should keep me busy until my eyes give out. I can use all info I can get.

------------------------------------------

Thx again


Posts: 40 | From Pacific NW | Registered: Mar 2005  |  IP: Logged | Report this post to a Moderator
hatsnscarfs
LymeNet Contributor
Member # 6562

Icon 1 posted      Profile for hatsnscarfs     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote 
Welcome to the club Noob.

Ist a reminder not to use outdated (expired) tetracycline or Doxycycline.

My LLMD says you often don't know if a drug is working until you take it for 3 or 4 months.

Sometimes a drug will make you feel better right away, sometimes worse and sometimes no change for quite a while. The change can be gradual or sudden.

Find an LLMD fast.

Tetracycline 750 mgs bid has worked well for me and is easier to tolerate than an adequate dose of Doxyclycline. The dose typical Drs. prescribe (100mgs bid) is inadequate.

Read up on anti yeast diet since like the rest of us you'll be taking antibiotics for a long time.

I'm having great inprovement since finding an LLMD.

hatsnscarfs


Posts: 956 | From MA | Registered: Nov 2004  |  IP: Logged | Report this post to a Moderator
Noob
Member
Member # 7052

Icon 1 posted      Profile for Noob     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote 
Just got my first "titre" which was actually a western blot. Results over the phone were all negative. I'm still on my own as far as meds go. Ran out of clindamycin and have returned to doxy w/ side order of cats claw. So far as the ducks and their tests go I'm in great health.

Over the last 3 years I've spent $40K out of my pocket to this rotten industry. Being charged $80 for sponges and $1200 for rooms I was in for 20 minutes adds up very fast. I gotta get out of this country, before modern medicine kills me, it's all ready robbed me.

[This message has been edited by Noob (edited 09 April 2005).]


Posts: 40 | From Pacific NW | Registered: Mar 2005  |  IP: Logged | Report this post to a Moderator
paulscha
LymeNet Contributor
Member # 6334

Icon 1 posted      Profile for paulscha   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote 
Hey there Noob, just wanted to say your posts are a great read, keep that sense of humor, you'll be needing it...but then, when isn't that the case?

Maybe we should form a coop and get some able bodied person to go drug shopping in Mexico...no, I didn't say that. I didn't even think it, and if I did, I didn't mean it, the winking is just another trick of my neuroborreliosis, do not be misled.

God, listen to me, so much doubletalk I could have an MD after my name.

There are a few good ones, but the system they work in has all the healing properties of a coal mine.

Welcome to Lyme[net].


Posts: 199 | From Santa Cruz, CA | Registered: Oct 2004  |  IP: Logged | Report this post to a Moderator
Noob
Member
Member # 7052

Icon 1 posted      Profile for Noob     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote 
Hey Paulscha,

I was heading for Costa Rica but getting oral ABX etc, was never a problem in Baja. One might have a problem with painkillers (because of the dopers), but everything else it's cash and carry. There are pockets of ex-patriot communities down the east and west coast of Baja (should one need more help with IV meds etc.). La Paz has a hospital, drug stores which I've delt with, no problemo. You don't need to speak fluent beaner to get by in Baja. Happy trails.....


Posts: 40 | From Pacific NW | Registered: Mar 2005  |  IP: Logged | Report this post to a Moderator
   

Quick Reply
Message:

HTML is not enabled.
UBB Code� is enabled.

Instant Graemlins
   


Post New Topic  New Poll  Post A Reply Close Topic   Feature Topic   Move Topic   Delete Topic next oldest topic   next newest topic
 - Printer-friendly view of this topic
Hop To:


Contact Us | LymeNet home page | Privacy Statement

Powered by UBB.classic™ 6.7.3


The Lyme Disease Network is a non-profit organization funded by individual donations. If you would like to support the Network and the LymeNet system of Web services, please send your donations to:

The Lyme Disease Network of New Jersey
907 Pebble Creek Court, Pennington, NJ 08534 USA


| Flash Discussion | Support Groups | On-Line Library
Legal Resources | Medical Abstracts | Newsletter | Books
Pictures | Site Search | Links | Help/Questions
About LymeNet | Contact Us

© 1993-2020 The Lyme Disease Network of New Jersey, Inc.
All Rights Reserved.
Use of the LymeNet Site is subject to Terms and Conditions.