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arg82
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Hi Everyone,

My LLMD did a basic blood test to test for heavy metals a few months ago. Apparently I came up with high normal Mercury levels and he wanted me to have a urine test done next. I was going to take one dose of DMSA and then collect my urine for a period of time (12 hours? a day? something like that). I opted not to do it right now because the list of possible side effects and dangers of DMSA were scary and I really don't think I need the test if my Mercury level was within the normal range, even if it was "high normal".

Anyone have any thoughts on this? Anyone had heavy metals testing that didn't require DMSA? My LLMD is in NY state and he said that hair analysis is illegal in NY? Anyone know anything about that? My chiropractor CAN order hair analysis and apparently my LLMD would be able to look at the results, just not order the test.

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Yes. I'm currently doing chelation therapy. About 8 different things are used including, DMPS, CA EDTA and Glutathione.
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Tequeslady,

Could you explain more about the benefit of chelation therapy.....a holistic rheumi does that in our area and I wonder if my son should do this.

Annie,

My son's doctor wants metal testing done now and said Great Smoky labs do it for $49 prepaid. ( I know my son did the urine testing after one chelation IV in 2003 along with his first Igenex testing for lyme without any problem).

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Anyone know do you continue to get heavy metal testing throughout the years just like retesting for the various "bugs"???????


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Sorry....that $49 is for hair analysis not the urine collection test.
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I had high mercury levels because of my fillings. In some people the mercury levels can leak out and weaken your system, making the lyme hurt you harder. My neurosymtoms really improved after I took mine out.
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Thanks for the responses. I should have mentioned that I don't have any metal fillings, so I couldn't have high mercury from that. So, I don't really know where I could have high mercury from. Anyone have any ideas on that? I don't think I'll have the test done now, but if it becomes an issue in the future I may.

Anyone have any thoughts on the possible side effects and risks of DMSA?

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quote:
Originally posted by arg82:
So, I don't really know where I could have high mercury from. Anyone have any ideas on that?



Fish...tuna...any tainted fish products.

Trout is doing DMSA right now. I'm getting ready to take succimer for metals.

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DIAGNOSIS OF HEAVY METALS

(from Dr. Klinghardt, MD PhD practice and publications)

"� History of Exposure: (Did you ever have any amalgam fillings? How much fish do you eat and what kind? A tick bite? etc)

� Symptoms: (How is your short term memory? Do you have areas of numbness, strange sensations,etc)- A complete neurotoxin questionaire is available from AANT@425 462 1777

� Laboratory Testing:
direct tests for metals: hair, stool, serum, whole blood, urine analysis, breath analysis

� xenobiotics: fatty tissue biopsy, urine, breath analysis

� Indirect tests: cholesterol (increased while body is dealing with Hg), increased insulin sensitivity, creatinine clearance, serum mineral levels (distorted, while Hg is an unresolved issue), Apolipoprotein E 2/4 , urine dip stick test: low specific gravity (reflects inability of kidneys to concentrate urine), persistently low urine ph (metals only go into solution in acidic environments - which supports detoxing), urine porphyrins

� Autonomic Response Testing: (Dr. Dietrich Klinghardt M.D., Ph.D.)
� BioEnergetic Testing (EAV,
kinesiology etc.)

� Response to Therapeutic Trial

� Functional Acuity Contrast Test (measure of Retinal Blood Flow)

� Non-specific neurological tests: upper motor neuron signs (clonus, Babinski, hyperreflexia), abnormal nerve conduction studies, EMG etc . non-specific MRI/CT findings: brain atrophy as in AD, demyelination

� Several �challenge tests`` are used today. They generally involve measuring the urine metal content, then administering an oral or iv. mobilizing agent and re-mesuring the metal content in the urine after a few hours. Most well known is the DMPS challenge test:

However, there is agreement amongst most researchers, that the urine Hg content does not reflect total body burdon - only the currently mobilizable portion of Hg in the endothelium and kidneys. If nothing comes out, there can still be detrimental but non-responsive amounts of Hg in the CNS, connective tissue and elsewhere.

� I have developed a simple approach that works well. I use autonomic response testing (muscle biofeedback) to determine what metal is stored where and what detox agents would be most suitable for this individual. I obtain a hair sample and have it analyzed. It may or may not show any toxic metals. Metals reach the root of the hair via the blood stream. Hair only can show those metals, that have been in the blood in the last 6 weeks.

That means, hair only reflects acute toxicity or recently mobilized metals but not the true body burdon. Then we embark on the detox and mobilizing program. In 6 weeks another hair samle is send to the lab and analyzed. If for example manganese is now high, mercury starting to rise (mostly it is methyl Hg, that is reflected in hair), aluminum is at the same value as before, it means, that this program is starting to mobilize Mn ad Hg, but not Al.

Through minor adjustments and following the client closely, we observe as the levels in the hair may rise for months or years before returning to low or absent levels. That is the end point. At that time biochemical challenges with Ca EDTA, DMPS or DMSA can be valuabe to see if there are still hidden pockets of metals somewhere in the system that have been ovrlooked with the other methods. In general, the hair-mineral analysis is often overinterpreted. Hair minerals are a reflection of the toxic-metal induced distortion in mineral metabolism.


D. TREATMENT
Why would we want to treat anyone at all? Is it really needed? Can the body not eliminate these toxins naturally on its own?

First we need to consider a multitude of risk factors, which influence later decisions:
Here is a short list of independent risk factors which can either cause accumulation of metals in an otherwise healthy body - or slow down, or inhibit the bodys own elimination processes.

� Genetics - Several genes are involved in coding for the production of inherent detox mechanisms. Example: ApoE being the major repair protein in neuronal damage and responsible for removing mercury from the intracellular environment. There are 4 different subtypes, one of them making the individual prone to accumulating Hg: (Danik, M. and Poirier, J. Apolipoprotein E and lipid mobilizatin in neuronal membrane remodeling and its relevance to Alzheimer's disease. In: Brain Lipids and Disorders in Biological Psychiatry, edited by Skinner, E.R.Amsterdam:Elsevier Science, 2002,p.53-66.)Also well known and studied are the individual genetic differences in glutathione availability. Several companies in the Integrative Medicine Field are offering genetic testing today. So far my clinical results were not impressive when I based my detox program on genetic testing only.
� prior illnesses (i.e. kidney infections, hepatitis, tonsillitis etc.)
� surgical operations (scars often restrict the detoxifying abilities of whole body sections, such as the tonsillectomy scar with it�s effect on the superior cervical ganglion - restricting lymph drainage and blood flow from the entire cranium)
� medication or �recreational� drug use (overwhelming the innate detox mechanisms)
� emotional trauma, especially in early childhood. This issue is huge and almost never appropriately adressed
� social status (poor people may still drink contaminated water)
� high carbohydrate intake combined with protein malnutrition (especially in vegetarians)
� use of homeopathic mercury (may redistribute Hg into deeper tissues)
� food allergies (may block the kidneys, colon etc.)
� the patients electromagnetic environment (mobile phone use, home close to power lines etc. Omura showed that heavy metals in the brain act as micro antennae concentrating damaging electro smog in the brain)
� constipation
� compromise of head/neck lymphatic drainage (sinusitis, tonsil ectomy scars, poor dental occusion)
� number of dental amalgam fillings over the patients life-time, number of the patient's mother amalgam fillings."

Take care.


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be a bit careful with the mercury thing. I was tested by an alternative doctor for a lot of things - resulting in positive for Lyme and high mercury. I started my treatment for Lyme first but it turned out that they were not so Lyme literate after all.

I changed to a really good Lyme MD, top 3. I asked him about the mercury and he said that 'for some reason, these alternative doctors do tests that always result in hih mercury'. I did another test in a regular hospital and my mercury level was smack in the range.

Chelation will move mercury and other heavy metals around in your body. The chemicals you take bind with the heavy metal and move to your intestines and then out. Sometimes they end up elsewhere though when they seperate from the binding chemicals before getting to where you want them, so there is a risk involved.

I asked two dentists, they both said that they would not use any amalgam fillings anymore but that you can do more damage removing the old fillings than keeping them.

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Thanks for all the info, Gigi. I don't have the energy to read through it right now, but I'll go through it later. One question did spring to mind, though. It states "tick bite" under history of exposure. What does that refer to?

Tim, I have a question for you. Do you know what the tests were that you had done? What test resulted in the high level and what resulted in normal level? My mercury was within the normal range, but my LLMD reported it to me as high normal.

I don't really eat fish (not a seafood person). I eat tunafish sandwiches every once in a while, but not more than an average of 1 a week or less.

Thanks!

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the test that resulted in a high mercury level was done by an IV with a sulfur based chemical. The sulfur binds with the heavy metals and then you pee it out. So I had to collect my urine for 12 hours and send it in.

The test that resulted in a low mercury level was a blood test.


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quote:
Originally posted by Lymetoo:
Fish...tuna...any tainted fish products.

Trout is doing DMSA right now. I'm getting ready to take succimer for metals.


Right, mercury could come from many places. I sort of suspect my "very elevated" mercury level to come from my 5 big fillings.

I don't know if it's from leakage or if it's from the dentist grinding off and flushing the surface to ensure a flat bite.

Lymetoo, good luck taking the succimer tablets. Prepare yourself to plug up your nose while swallowing.

Michael


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It sounds like you see the LLMD I just fled from. He does the heavy metal thing with everybody. It's up to you whether that interests you as a treatment.

Personally, I think it's an interesting and useful idea, but could easily be done some other time. Antibiotics seem to be working much better. You can always take a supplement like chlorella or NAC and see if there is a marked difference in your Lyme symptoms.

Watch out if he tells you to see his guru.


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Liz,

Just curious if it is the same LLMD. Who were you seeing?

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quote:
Originally posted by liz28:
It sounds like you see the LLMD I just fled from. He does the heavy metal thing with everybody. It's up to you whether that interests you as a treatment.

Personally, I think it's an interesting and useful idea, but could easily be done some other time. Antibiotics seem to be working much better. You can always take a supplement like chlorella or NAC and see if there is a marked difference in your Lyme symptoms.

Watch out if he tells you to see his guru.


Ok, now I know it's for me...LOL.

Who's his guru?

Btw, he's only treating me for heavy metals.

I have another LLMD (Dr.L) for Lyme and coinfections.

Michael


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