Many agree that Sun makes their symptoms
worse. Please no Marshal Protocol
suggestions. I've read enough about it
to not agree with it.

My sole objective of this post is to raise
the question:

Does sun actually kill off Lyme and
Co-infections and this is why symptoms
appear to be made worse by the Sun.

This is an important statement since it
states that either the Sun helps in the
healing process OR it makes things worse.

If the sun causes mini-herx's then we
would all benefit from suffering through
some sun exposure.. Else we should avoid
the sun all together until we get better.

This is what I wish to discuss... Any
medical experts here who can comment??

The sun provides Vitamin D naturally. So, by consuming foods that contain Vitamin D, you would be overdosing. The symptoms would be fatique, aches, etc.

frenchbraid

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Stay positive. Smile. People care.

My antinuclear antibodies (ANA) are also positive and fairly elevated.

So, the sun reactions from me come from autoimune illness.

I also test very positive for Lyme, so I am still going on the assumption that this autoimmune stuff, with sun and otherwise, is part of my Lyme.

The sun is heat.

The sun raises internal body heat.

So yes, it can cause one to herx.

I get dizzy, bad migraines, sweaty, can't think straight, feel drunk inside my head, and very very tired. Feesl like a huge relapse hits all at once.

I also have orthostatic hypotension ( as I suspect some others here do) and that obviously is a no no with the heat.

Tom:yes. The first summer I did abx, I would take them and go lay out. no lie. I did really well that summer.

Or..using nature's powers in healing.

Many of them treated serious conditions with bowel cleansing anf fasting (I'm not saying that's all you'd have to do to get rid of TBD's )

But this old school of thought sometimes included sun exposure (not peak hour, and not over exposure)..
but 'bathing' in it everyday in the morning.
(Some said in the nude ..so it is absorbed through the largest organ (the skin)
completley. This was considered very healing.

There are many benefits to the body from the sun.
(now we have the ozone layer to worry about, but maybe then very early morning and not too long would still be of benefit)

I wonder if it can make you Herx, probably..
like many feel Herxy after those long hot Epsom baths?

Mo

Induction of cystic forms by different stress conditions in Borrelia burgdorferi.
Murgia R, Cinco M.
Spirochete Laboratory, Dipartimento di Scienze Biomediche, Universita' degli Studi di Trieste, Via Fleming 22, 34127 Trieste ,Italy .
Cystic forms of Borrelia burgdorferi might represent a low metabolic activity state or phase of B. burgdorferi cells that allows the spirochete to survive in a hostile environment until conditions are favourable to multiply again. In this study we evaluated the rate of cyst formation induced by oxidative stress, pH variations, and heating, reconversion of cysts to vegetative forms, and some aspects of their metabolic activity. We observed cyst formation in the presence of extreme pH values, and at high temperature, but the best production of cystic forms was observed in the presence of H2O2 .When transferred to BSK II medium, the cystic forms reconverted to spirochetes in relation to their age and type of induction treatment. Furthermore, we demonstrated a low metabolic activity of cystic forms by measuring amino acid incorporation. Overall, these data suggest that the phenomenon of conversion to cysts by B. burgdorferi provides a limited survival potential. This short-term survival, however, gives borreliae an additional chance to overcome unfavourable environmental conditions.
PMID : 14961976 [PubMed - in process]

I am reading this right?????

From above:
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"heat can make BB go into cyst form" ....

"Cystic forms of Borrelia burgdorferi might represent a low metabolic activity state or phase of B. burgdorferi cells that allows the spirochete to survive in a hostile environment until conditions are favourable to multiply again"
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Does this mean that using the Sauna is
delaying my recovery since the
lyme would be going into a cyst and thus
not be killed off by the ABX during
the normal multiply cycle.. ???

I don't want to do the Marshall Protocol, but I have to admit he may be right.

I used to get like a heat stroke and my face would stay red for over an hour after I got out of the sun. It didn't matter how much water I drank proir to sun exposure either.

Very wierd. Also I don't enjoy hot showers. I like warm. I can't even get into a hot tub. I feel like my skin is burning.

I don't even like hot beverages. I eat soup ony warm.

Getting wierder?

I know personally that I cannot work in a building without windows or I would get extremely depressed. Working outside for short periods of time in the garden or to mow the lawn elevates my mood, and I think that is part of the battle against lyme.

Because we are all desperate to get better, we overanalyze everything to see if it helps or hurts and there is no one single solution for our problem.

If you feel good in the sun, great. If not, then stay out of it. For me, staying out of the sun would be giving up one more thing for this disease and I am not willing to do that.

Just my opinion and not scientifically based.

Cheers. Hiker.