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kare
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Does anyone out there have the "drunk walking" thing and if so have you found anything to help? ( ie. specific shoes etc)
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Lymester
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I have had the drunk walking thing, but during that time I could hardly get off the couch. Time and abx are the only things that helped.

I still have days (like yesterday) where I'm herky jerky and have to hold on to railings on stairs.

A good margarita makes it seem appropriate, but I don't think footwear is going to make a difference.


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Jellybelly
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I used to drunk walk all the time. I actually thought it rather amuzing to watch people watch me. Those who knew me would just smile as if to say "there she goes". It would just hit me out of the blue often, but usually when I was feeling carppiest.

I fell a couple of times like a drunk too. One time I was truck shopping with my teen age son. We were looking at manly-man trucks and I stepped on nothing, but I dropped like a fly right between to huge trucks. I bounced up so fast, like I was made of rubber. Looking around hoping no one saw me. Probably the guys in the showroom were laughing thier heads off. It was movie material.

Since I'm better, I could walk a tight rope, well as long is it is no more than 3 inches off the ground. It does get better.


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I found that balance therapy with a physical therapist helped a lot. I pretty much only wear tennis shoes now. Just feel more comfortable with flat rubber soles.
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shazdancer
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There seem to be a few different reasons for the staggering, and any one person may have more than one cause. Balance comes from the inner ears, eyes, feet, and brain, and if any of those are messed by Lyme, you can start reeling.

Disequilibrium -- which is what I think you are talking about -- is different from vertigo, which is when the whole room seems to be spinning and there is no sense of which way is up.

My mom has some kind of brain/neck nerve involvement, so when she turns her head while walking, she gets "lost" and staggers for a step or two. She swears it is not vertigo. It's just one of her weird Lyme things, we guess.

The body maintains its balance by subtle adjustments of muscles in the torso and legs, and when these have atrophied due to lots of bedrest, thar she blows! I think that happens to a lot of us.

I have had tenderness in my feet, and brain twinges, which combined make me lose balance momentarily, which is not too bad except when it's happened while I was standing on a balance beam...

Regards,
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ConnieMc
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My balance problems are caused by neuropsthy. My feet do not give as much data to my brain to let me know my position is space. The nerves in my feet and lower legs are damaged. Try this, with assistance. Stand up straight without holding onto anything. Have someone stand behind you to catch you if you fall. Close your eyes. Keep yoor hands down at your sides. If you immediately lose your balance when you close your eyes, a neuropathy is at least contributing to your balance problems.

My balance is heavily dependent on visual cues. For example, if I close my eyes to rinse my hair in the shower, I immediately lose my balance. If I try to read something in a book while walking, I immediately lose my balance. If I am in the grocery store, something catches my eye, and I turn my head to focus on a specific thing, I lose my visual cues. If I even pick something up to read a label, I lose the surrounding cues I need to stay upright.

Treatment has helped some, but I don't have much hope that I will ever recover completely from this. Good, stable shoes with good support are very important. I only wear any type of heel when absolutely necessary, as I feel even more off balance. It's quite a weird sensation to feel like I am very high about to lose my balance. A heel also reduces the surface area between my foot and the floor, which further causes my foot to have fewer nerve impulses to my brain to help me remain upright.

Neuropathy is very common with Lyme.


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Jellybelly
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That's nueropathy Connie? You described what happens to me to a tee. Thankfully that has all disappeared, but returns to lesser degrees when I am in a flair. Learn something new every day. Thanks!
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For those of you who have recovered your balance over time, how long did it take? I am currently doing balance therapy...helping some but no miracles as of yet. Is it your understanding that you recovered due to the antibiotics killing the bacteria in the brain section that controls balance? I have slurred speech in addition to the "drunk walk" so I REALLY have the drunk imitation down! Those are my 2 worse symptoms and because they are so obvious to all, I am so self conscious and often depressed over it all.
I have been on IV drugs for 6 mos and still no real improvement. I too only wear flat shoes, mainly tennis shoes. I have fallen LOTS and have sustained fractures thus casts....just praying for end in sight. I love hearing your success stories as you render hope and we all need that. Thanks so much! Betsy

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I forgot to ask Kare, Lymster, Jellybelly, Connie, Hiker, Shaz and the rest with balance issues, what infections do you have and how treated..if you don't mind me asking??? Thanks, Betsy
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quote:
Originally posted by betsy:
Is it your understanding that you recovered due to the antibiotics killing the bacteria in the brain section that controls balance? Betsy

In my case, there is actual nerve damage to the nerves in the feet and legs. That's called peripheral neuropathy. The nerves don't detect the full sensation that my feet are on the floor to help my body detect where it is in space without visual cues.

That is why I am so heavily dependent on the visual cues. The body has an amazing ability to compensate. As I lost my nerve function in my feet, my brain switched to using more visial cues to keep my balance. I wasn't necessarily aware of what was happening as I lost function over time. Eventually a doctor detected this by doing the neurological testing I described in my first post.

I have advanced neurolyme, and this is not to say my brain itself doesn't have some sort of impact on all this. Just a piece of the puzzle.

Balance problems can also originate in the brain itself.

My problems with balance fluctuate alot depending on treatment, my general well-being, etc. Only thing it really does is prevents me from climbing ladders, getting up on chairs, etc to do things like changing a lightbulb, and things like that. As my body and brain compensates, I have "learned" not to do things like read while walking. All it takes is for a stumble to whip me back in shape. I rarely fall anymore.

I am not that consciously aware of the numbess in my feet, but nevertheless, it is there.


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quote:
Originally posted by kare:
Does anyone out there have the "drunk walking" thing and if so have you found anything to help? ( ie. specific shoes etc)

I get this. The more tired I am the worse it is. I use a cane if I know I am going to be on my feet for any length of time.

The technical term for this is ataxia. From http://www.mult-sclerosis.org/ataxia.html
"Ataxia is incoordination caused by dysfunction to sensory nerve inputs, motor nerve outputs or the processing of them. It is not the result of muscular weakness. Ataxia is most often applied to unsteadiness in walking but it also refers to upper body incoordination and dysfunction in eye movements and speech.

Ataxia is common in multiple sclerosis but is also seen in several other conditions including diabetic polyneuropathy, acute transverse myelitis, vacuolar myelopathy, tumor or cord compression and hereditary forms of ataxia."


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betsy
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Thank you Connie...appreciate your response and I wish you well. A day doesn't go by that I don't learn something new about this bizarre disease! Betsy
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For those with peripheral neuropathy, the photon stimulator is being used very succesfully to improve this condition, particularly in diabetics.

It may be worth considering. Look it up on a search engine.

I know here in the bay area there are studies being done at the medical school to prove its effectiveness.


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This disease DEPLETES Mg rapidly and this spirals out of control. Calcium influx is NOT GOOD.

It impacts our ears and MANY other things!

Here's a link providing CLUES (even IF you are not on those particular abxs.):

Aminoglycoside antibiotics interact with polyphosphoinositides in the hair cell membranes. The aminoglycosides increase the permeability of the membranes, causing the cells to ***lose magnesium, which are normally present in high concentration in the mitochondria.

***It is believed that the loss of magnesium ions blocks enzymatic reactions, especially oxidative phosphorylation, in which magnesium is utilized as a cofactor and leads to cell death.

Studies on aminoglycoside toxicity in animals showed that giving a loop diuretic followed by an aminoglycoside does not affect cochlear toxicity any more than any drug singly. However, if the order is reversed with an aminoglycoside antibiotic first and then a loop diuretic, the drugs act synergistically to produce toxicity and the organ of Corti is severely damaged.3
http://www.ivertigo.net/ototoxicity/otcochlear.html

Please note the above website discusses vertigo stemming from an ear problem ..this is what you seem to be suffering from.

We have to shut down the glycolysis pathway AND the cholesterol pathway at the same time. Magnesium does this, believe it or not.

P.S. Photons are positive charges ;-) so is Mg. One treatment/other mineral can "sub" for another...ONLY TO A DEGREE. Yes, this all comes down to us...and the pathogens being "electromagnetic" to make energy.


[This message has been edited by Marnie (edited 20 June 2005).]


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Monica
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I passed the drunk walk without passing "go," started using a cane in 9/03, and started with a walker in 3/05 after starting a more aggressive regimen of abx.

EMG tests I have had did not show any muscular or nerve damage, so I am hopeful this will go away with abx.

Besides the balance issues, my right leg is usually taut and the joint pain in my right knee unbearable so that doesn't make it any easier for me to walk.


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