In any case, is this approach safe? From what I've read, you can overdose and experience negative effective with both Salt and C.

Some material that I've read says that in recent years, our salt intake has risen considerably. This is in complete contradiction to what the www.lymephotos.com states. They say that our salt intake has dramatically DECREASED over the years. According to them, 20 grams of salt per day was a normal intake at one point.

Currently, the average person takes in somewhere around 3.5 grams of salt every day and that is said to be well above what the body needs....

average salt intake for americans is closer to 7-10 grams according to both my doc and the web

how could anyone here say they are afraid of a little salt and vitamin c (linus pauling took 10,000 mg / day and lived into his 90's) - and then turn around and take huuuge doses of IV abx like zithro!

let's get some perspective here.

don't think salt and some c is quite like ingesting bleach - puhleeze - and I don't care what those pictures are... if this works - it works. if doesn't work - stop doing it and try something else!

unless you're salt sensitive or have bad blood pressure problems - what could it hurt to try?

anyway, the people doing it are sounding way more healthy (between herxes, that is) than the people on this board I can tell you.

i wouldn't equate taking some vitamin c and salt to smoking... seems a stretch.

its ok to agree to disagree..

i find the salt/c works so far. i've noticed positive effects - my anxiety is down and my sleep and energy are better...

plus, when considering the IV antibiotics, strange herbs, weird rife machines, ICHT, HBOT (!?!) and all the extreme things people do for lyme - it seemed absolutely by far the most innocuous thing to try - i happen to like salt : )

plus, the way i figure it - although it could be a hoax, its not like anyone's trying to make money off this (or they'd be selling a supplement - beware supplement sellers)

why don't you try it before dissing it? or not - up to you - but what if it worked? it is working for me so far (6 weeks and feeling better, in between herxes, that is).

you can always do this along with antibiotics, anyway - so they say.

anyway, whatever people choose - i hope it works for them and that we all start feeling better SOON!!

best,

KLP

Average amt in diet is 7-12 grams so if you do this just stop eating salted foods, that means chips, prepared foods, dips, cheeses etc so you don't get dangerous amts (you'll still get sodium in your veggies anyway).

Willy B. admits to finding 6 bugs in the tick way back when including nematode worms and other researchers in New York are now finding nematode worms in the tickgut. Not to mention so many overlapping borrelias around the country and babesia and erlichia bla bla bla. Can't hurt to try to do this IF you aer careful and monitor creatinine bun and electrolytes and supplement minerals.

A doctor friend who used to run an ER says you can somewhat overwhelm the body's natural regulatory system ie people used to come in hypotonic--too low sodium from drinking too much, so you could also become somewhat hypertonic if you try, that seems the point here.

But the people who thought this up (and they're not a hoax), don't explain why/how they figured it out and why ascorbic acid is key. I'd love to know but I Haven't ever contacted them.

I think there will be a bellcurve, some will be salt sensitive and can't do it (5% of population definitely is) others will have stronger regulatory mechanisms and won't be able to get levels required.

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Originally posted by Martijn:

Just giving my thoughts about this. I don't want to try it. I hope it really works for you!

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Thanks Martijn - its working so far so keeping my fingers crossed - as it were. Hope your treatment is equally (or more) effective and you also feel better soon! I'll keep everyone posted.

As oxygenbabe says - I can't figure out the mechanism here - but there ya go.

And I'm so not worried about throwing my electrolyte balance off - cuz I haven't even gotten up to high doses yet.

I'm having significant effects (ie, nasty herxing then feeling better) on small doses, like 1 or 2 grams / day. That is practically a negligible amount in terms of normal salt or ascorbate intake.

Don't think I'll make it up to the higher doses. Might not ever need to, either.

It seems one rule is the same for abx and alternative approaches - slow and steady wins the race... sigh. wish there were a faster way.

KLP

This would definitely be one of the most economical therapies that a person could try for this disease.

Thanks for giving me more information to consider.

NORMALLY if we can get hydrogen INTO the cells (via CoQ10), we can cure MOST pathogens...bacteria, viruses, fungi, etc.

Nostradamus developed a "Rose Pill" (high levels of vitamin C) to cure the plague.

BUT...the plague was caused by an aerobic, NON SPORE forming pathogen. Whole different ball game.

It may indeed destroy MANY other pathogens, but Bb???? Unlikely.

More likely Bb is curling up in a ball...going into its protective cyst form until "conditions" are more "favorable" for it to replicate. Don't be fooled...you feel better when Bb is in the cyst form, when it is NOT using your nutrients.

Not wise to keep the cells acidic (H2O2)...knock off a lot of cells that way - including healthy ones.

On nematodes:

Under Therapeutic Cat. for Humans,the Merck Index,p.1205, Twelfth Edition,1996, lists the enzyme, Papain, as being used as an "...anthelmintic(nematodes)...".

This should be a good agent in addition to other anthelmintics.

I'm gonna post this again,in a separate post,so others don't miss this. The title will be Morgellon's Dis.: Nematodes + Papain(enzyme).

It's a rough translation - don't have time to be fancy.

Title: Healing with Salt and Sugar
by Dr. med. Dietrich Klinghardt

A British parasitologist, frustrated that he was unable to publish his unbelievable results in a medical journal (it was turned down) went on the internet and published his idea:

We used to put away snail problems in the garden by sprinkling salt on them. Osmotically, the water was pulled out of the snails, and they died. This researcher used the same principle. He made the blood hyperosmotic with the following trick:

A 75 kg weighing patient gets 4 times a day three grams of salt in the form of cooking salt tablets. Along with it , every time, 3 grams of Vitamin C. After few days or maybe weeks the client may get a skin rash, sometimes diarrhea or other symptoms.

In checking the diarrhea, the Brit found all the many parasites I have talked about in our courses for years. He also checked the skin rash and found numerous and until now nameless microparasites - mutated forms of taenia, filaria and other worms that could not stand it any longer in the salty body liquids.

We have found similar results in our Salt/C treatment, which is already standard practice in our office. Each borrelia patient experiences often spectacular crises and positive results after the crisis.

I have modified the program: at first I only start with a glass of warm water with a good half teaspoon of seasalt and one tablespoon Rechtsregulat (or organic apple cider vinegar -gg) as a morning drink. That is equal to about one glass of ocean water.

After about a week or so things start to happen: Besides tapeworms and ascarides, we have found remains of tablets that had been in the belly for over 20 years.

When this protocol does not brting any more to light, we move to the first protocol above. Sometimes in addition I give anti worm herbs, such as artemesia. Fabulous: One female patient started to bring forth small insect type beasts through the scalp. She put them into a glass with lid. After two days small flying insects appeared. Flying, with wings. Out of the scalp. One asks the question - how many parasites are transmitted via flying insects?

I do not worry much about the high salt amount. Blood pressure should be checked ongoing: only 5% of the population are salt sensitive and react allergically with high blood pressure, which is reversible as soon as the amount of salt is lowered.

Where you will find the clean salt tablets in Germany, without drying agent or anticaking agent, I can't tell right now. In a healthy person, because of the increase in blood volume, the pressure goes up about 5 units, which may be ignored.

More salt means also that the adrenals feel better: they have to produce the aldosteron, so that the valuable salt for the body can be resorbed back in the kidney. The more salt we take, the more the kidneys can concentrate to produce cortisol, progesteron, testosterone, etc.

It is estimated that a physically active population in the USA used to take in about 20 grams of salt per day. Today it is only 1,5 to 2 grams. Exceptions are the many overweight people, who in our opinion do not eat healthy. Have you asked yourselves why your overweight neighbor with the reddish face, who always eats oversalted meat, feels so good? Why does he have so much energy....??

(I am not translating the part about Healing with Sugar - I have posted several times about that and have gotten so much flak from the resident dentist Dave Doc - I am tired of talking about it. So you will have to search if you are interested in it. Or ask him.)

BUT HOW DOES SALT/C work?? Can anyone advise?
I still don't understand.......the normal body works on principles of maintaining very effective homeostasis thru complex feedback mechanisms...the hypothalamus detects levels of fluid retention/ depletion / BP levels .....secretes antidiuretic hormone(ADH)/ vasopressin which sends appropriate messages to pituitary and ADH is stored there until needed by kidneys to promote water/salt reabsorption (if needed) or due to high levels of sodium. In the adrenals, adrenal aldosterone promotes retention of sodium and excretion of potassium by the renal tubules, to regulate optimal salt/potassium balance at cellular levels, and maintain optimal BP levels.......Rennin is secreted by the kidneys in response to low plasma volume and this enzyme stimulates production of angiotensin which stimultes the adrenals to secrete aldosterone. ... it is all a wonderful feedback loop mechanism that maintains electrolyte homeostasis and optimal fluid levels..

Kidneys do not reabsorb Na if it is not required..renal tubules only re-uptake Na if needed by 'body' to maintain homeostasis ..... SO theoretically, a reasonably functioning body ..will not absorb excess Na ...excess over needed is simply excreted...so cellular levels of Na should NEVER rise...cos that is potentially life threatening.... so if blood levels of salt do not become elevated ( my electrolytes have remained in normal range, and many oters also report normal electrolyte levels)..therefore extra/excsive amounts of Na ARE not, BY definition being retained....they are being excreted!!!

SO how does this work.....physiologically and biochemically..cellular Na levels should only become highly elevated if you have failing/dysunctional kidneys, a stuffed pituitary and/or a dysfunctional hypothalamus and adrenals (eg. Cushing's Syndrome) ...homeostasis works so reasonably normal functioning beings should never get such an excess of salt in tissues/cells that there is osmotic dysfunction causing cell walls to burst for anything...bacteria or ' normal' cells'... so why don't normal/natural body cells burst too??? Why selective???

To the logical empirist with a clinical background ..Salt/ Vit C getting to very high levels in tissues, apparently bypassing blood ( electrolyte levels normal)it all makes no sense.... but something is 'happening'...!!

Can anyone explain pls?

1) Adrenal issues in lymies, as Klinghardt points out, you increase blood volume, you feel better, give adrenals a rest. This could account for immediate improvement in some lymies (I did NOT feel this as I guess I don't have those issues) having nothing to do with bugs

2) You *will* get elevated levels in the gut. So you may be getting rid of parasites and other bugs that are contributing to problems.

3) According to a doc friend you can somewhat over-ride our homeostatic mechanisms. I suspect this has a bellcurve having to do with genetics, kidney efficiency, genetic setpoints, salt sensitivity (tho 5% is salt 'sensitive' probably there is more of a range, where 5% are seriously sensitive, others mildly) etc. My doc friend said as an ER physician she'd see people come in hypotonic (low sodium) from drinking too much. So she figures you could become somewhat hypertonic.

Klinghardt giving 4 big doses a day is interesting. I am going to mention that on lymestrategies. People are doing 10-12 doses a day adn that steady, but maybe big wallops is better.