I had a bunch of stool sample tests before starting treatment. I don't know if once was specific for salmonella, but they were all negative. But I've tested highly positive for antibodies to salmonella, and they increased recently. My doctor doesn't think it's in the gut, she thinks it's causing most of my arthritic symptoms.

I've had Western Blots for Lyme through MDL. My LLMD doesn't use Igenex, but I've had positive WB. She doesn't say I don't have Lyme, just that my symptoms are more common with salmonella induced reactive arthritis.

My feeling is that we have all been exposed to a lot of germs and therefore have corresponding antibodies, not active infections with all these things.

EBV Ab VCA IgG / >170 / positive if over 19

Parvovirus B19 IgG / 5.3 / postive if over 1.1

Of course, there's Candida, I had three strains, systemic.

Son positive for systemic Strep, chronic, and also Mycoplasma Fermentans.

I also had intestinal parasites..a huge co-infection (non-tick-borne) acknowledged throughout the world, but most American MD's will not acknowledge it.

In thrid world countries a very accurate, quick, and CHEAP stool test is run...here...if you can even get tested at all..it's bucko bucks at one specialized lab, who charges you for a separate test for each species.
There are like 100 species!

It's silly IMO to think we don't have this in America. Like the parasites check themselves at border patrol, lol.
My imbalance was borne out of disease and treatment, these parasites are among us, and most people live with healthy populations of them, ones that don't hurt them...but when balance is off, meds are taken, organs not functioning, they get out of control.

I didn't bother testing, just sought through treatment and found.

ABX don't treat them, they contribute to the loss of the good guys that can control the small eggs and larvae in our bodies just through normal human exposure. Once the balance is off, they need to be eradicated purposefully, because probiotics can't control large infestations once they have a foothold.

Mo

I see Dr. Z, too. Besides Lyme and Babs, I have strep, h. pylori, m. pneumoniae.

I had my tonsils out in Sept. '04 for the chronic strep.

When I herx, my strep titer goes way up. When I'm in between herxes, it goes back down. When the body is stressing through a herx, it allows all the other bugaboos we have to come back out to party. I have my labs done every two weeks with the mepron, so you can see the numbers go up and down with the flares...

I'm on ketek, mepron, amoxicillin and plaquenil.

though I consider it an important non-tick-borne co-infection all chronic illnes/ and or med taking patients to consider..

The subject here has traditionally been
"un-poop-ular"

So anyone can just scroll by if this is not of interest to them..

I don't know for sure where I got them..in 2000 I was in Turks and Caicos eating local fare..including raw conk..

however, I have learned in reality we can pick them up everywhere..testaurant food, pets for sure, children, people's hands..restrooms..ect, ect, ect.

I have also learned most of us have them at any given time, the problem comes when they are out of control.

Chronic illness, effected organs, and the meds all make for an environment where they can flourish, and natural defenses are down.

I thought this made logical sence, but was still very shocked to the extent I had them.

GiGi has written a bit about her experiences ..a member I haven't seen in a while named Bob Tx also..
but as I said..many don't want to think about this part when they are in treatment for so much.

I think I may have gotten them in any of the above places, and my situation made for big trouble.

Some who study and treat this reccomend intensive herbal cleansing, **after bowel cleanse (so they have a clear way out)..and then can maintain with weekly doses of anti-parasitic herbs, or daily drop of oregano..something along these lines..
to keep control over exposure we get living daily life.
(oregano oil is also excellent to put in hand soaps and in a squirt bottle to wash veggies)

However, on continued abx, maintainance would have to be tailored to the situation.

Mo

Parasites are abundant in many patients. My doctor starts Lyme patients often with parasite treatments - deworming. (Salt & C)Dr. K. has found many of them in every patient, that is why he has included hundreds of them in the KMT22 device I used to treat myself with.

Giardia, amoeba histolica and trichomonas are next. These can only be detected in fresh stool for about 20 minutes. Lab tests are inadequate. ART testing locates them. Then come the strep infections which often coexist with the herpes viruses - most effective for these are the Pleo-Sanum remedies; they are also used as antidotes for aspergillus niger and mucor racemosus.

Parasites should be the first order of treatment. It makes no sense, to treat the overgrowth of viruses first and then the worms, because All worms in the gut are infected with viruses. If you treat the viruses first and then the worms, the viruses in the worms will survive the treatment and will hatch again as soon as the worms are being killed off. Then the patient has his viral infection again - the worms are gone but not the viruses.

Strep is often responsible for some of the brain symptoms. Tonsils!! They have a dominant influence on the whole rest of the lymphatic system in the gut............Lymph drainage is very important, which again is also done well with the KMT22.

Dr. K. always looks for giardia and amoebas. Giardia is in all lakes and rivers in the U.S. Amoebas in most restaurants. They did a survey under the fingernails of restaurant workers and they found that virtually every type of worm egg that's known in the word. It's not a question whether you traveled to India or Asia. Every parasite is anywhere in the world. People travel, parasites travel, -- that means there is a good chance that parasites that are living in India are now living in this country. He finds a lot of chronic fatique with Giardia; food allergies, environmental sensitivites - basically all the modern diseases - think Giardia.

Amoebas are a bit different; causing alternating chronic constipation, little diarrhea. Chronic Sinusitis. Some parasites are also learning to adapt to us and not kill us.

Worms - some new research. All parasites work very strongly to modulate the immune system of the host. This is used now in medicine to treat Crohn's and other autoimmune diseases of the gut - to implant worms! The worms kind of send out the neuropeptides to mobilize the immune system and that modulation stays behind. So once you have had parasites and they are long gone, their immune modulation often stays behind and that can be addressed by giving nosodes, the homeopathic preparation of that particular worm or parasite, just once - and the immune system will take off from there and starts behaving in a way it behaved before the parasite came aboard. So homeopathic nosodes have an important place in reorganizing the immune system!

Ascaris - the larvae travels through the connective tissue of the liver, the lymphatics of the liver through the lung at night -- in the morning, the patient caughs a few times - mucus and things -- and go on to have a normal day. What happens -- the larvae come up and they get swallowed and then grow to mature worms again. Dr. K. told of a number of asthma patients, knock out ascaris (Bentazole and such), asthma gone.

One last thing - if you don't want worms, don't drink milk. If you want worms, drink milk. If you drink milk, the worms congregate in the gut and have their feast and to into sort of a trance state. That's the time to hit them with with the herbal compound, which paralyzes them, and they come out.

I could tell more - but I got to get to the kitchen to fix dinner.

Lou, just some more of whatever you called my posts the other day. So I hope you SOB. It's for real ========= all of the above.

People have a right to do whatever they want to in treating their diseases. I have said this constantly. But when newcomers arrive and they get only one side, then I try to add balance. I do not call you names, so I don't think you are showing very good manners here.

Docdave has objected in the past to what seemed like your ignoring his professional experience.

This is a difference in approach that should be pointed out.

The thing that made me mad, that caused me to use the word snake oil, was Bryan's post that suggested rife to a parent coming here for advice on how to treat a child. This was a child who had never had any treatment at all. This was offensive. I hope you would not defend this.

I'm glad all your treatments have brought you good health, but not many people could have all their amalgams removed, do all the numerous and extensive treatments you have done. It is very expensive and complicated. I don't think it is insulting to say this.

Just for your info, SOB means, if you don't care for the subject or object to the subject matter, scroll on by!

That's great that you kicked the babs. Was it a clinical diagnosis or did you test positive? I have WA-1, which has become endemic in my area. It's definitely not just in the pacific northwest...

Can I ask how much amoxicillin you're on? I'm on 2000 mg amoxy for strep. She's had me on numerous different abx's for it and it just won't stay away...

I think Dr. Z has a good grasp on the "big picture", which is so important to recovery.

I just added the amox back into the regiment, and she is starting me low. I could be wrong, but I think I'm at 500mg twice a day and will increase to 1000mg 3x a day. I'll try to remember and check tonight. She changes dosage depending on each patient I know. She usually doesn't give me as a high a dose as she is, but she wants to try and hit it hard.