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broguearcher
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My interest has very much been piqued in these one of these substances. I am not currently taking Abx for treatment (been off for almost 2 weeks after 2 years on due to treating for Candida). I would like to not take Abx again as I am fairly close to being "back to normal" (whatever that means). If I can take some kind of silver and finish off the job, I would really like to.

1. Are there ANY preparations of silver available for purchase (at a reasonable price) that are definitely NOT harmful to the body????

2. Is there DEFINITIVE research available that I can review which demonstrates the internal effectiveness and safety of silver against bacterial infections????

I really like the idea of taking this but I don't want to hurt myself by swallowing some swill of heavy metal!!!


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quote:
Originally posted by broguearcher:

I really like the idea of taking this but I don't want to hurt myself by swallowing some swill of heavy metal!!!

Give me a sec and I'll repost a thread.
The key (for me) is 250 ppm MSP taken every 2-3 hours. Taking it via the sinuses seams to increase the effectiveness.


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HI, I ordered some and am now taking it, I didn't want to give my daughter anything that might hurt her. I don't have Lyme but do have a few aches and pains so I thought I would give it a try. I had a sore neck lots of the time due to my job and the way I have to sit all the time. It has helped my neck, not my hands.

This is the kind I took there are different kinds and from my research this is the one I thought sounded like the best.

Purest Colloids, Inc.
213 Irick Road
Westampton, NJ 08060
609-267-6284
FAX: 609-267-5487 http://www.purestcolloids.com

Good luck and do some research,


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quote:
Originally posted by cave76:
So far I haven't read of any *definitive* research done on any of the silver protocols--- if you mean by *definitive*--- true scientific, double-blinded, randomized studies.


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That would be nice but it will never happen. Silver cannot be patented so nobody is going to bother doing expensive trials if a golden goose can't be had.


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quote:
Originally posted by Charles05:
http://homepages.together.net/~rjstan/rose1.html

Use the link above to see a picture.

The Silver Supplement Fraud


Rosemary Jacobs, the most popularised argyria victim, who is used to demonise colloidal silver, was poisoned more than forty years ago by "silver nose drops of unknown composition" (NEJM, 340(20), 1999). There are no cases of argyria in modern medical history as a result of electro-colloidal silver, despite its popularity. All reference to toxicities, on careful checking, leads directly to industrial exposures or abuse of orthodoxy sanctioned, now discontinued medical silver products, usually not even colloidal silver and if so, always by a defunct grind method, and in cases of severe toxicities, intravenous injections in gram-plus quantities in animal experiments (US EPA, Integrated Risk Information System, ``Silver'', 1998). The key to the safety and efficacy of modern colloidal/ionic silver is its atomic and sub-atomic particle size and hence greater individual number and total active surface area.


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There are "quacksters" in the medicinal silver industry, just as there are in the pharmaceutical companies who make antibiotics. Actually, so too in the church, in government, in schools, business, and every other possible occupation out there. I think however it's important to also point out that knowledge of the existence of quacksters does not prove the lack of existence of genuinely knowledable and honest people regarding silver.

The question regarding scientific research is that Dr. Burgdorfer, who the Lyme bacteria is named after, himself did a study which I think is published, demonstrating that a silver preparation he used is highly effective against the Lyme bacteria in a test done outside the body.

After years of suspicion given the obvious quacksters that were in the business hawking their shody logic for it's efficacy, I decided to look at Dr. Burgdorfer study seriously, since I have met him and have a sense that he is a genuine, frank individual regarding matters of Lyme. Insurance also cut me off from my heavy antibiotic treatment, so I needed an alternative. I studied up on what information was available about the toxicity (ie argyria), and it's likelyhood, and went about preparing my own silver with extreme care and caution in how I did it.

After 3 weeks of being on it, I noticed that the reduction or abatement of my symptoms correlated very closely to the use of my self-prepared colloidal silver solution. Actually, it was as effective if not more so than 4.8 million units of intramuscular penicillin injections which I was taking previously on a weekly basis. But, after 6 months, and careful monitor of how much silver I was ingesting, I decided I had reached the limit of what I was willing to ingest for silver, based on EPA studies that I read.

It was a very successful intermediate treatment for me, but didn't cure me (I've had lyme for over 10 years). I believe that people should do more research before deciding that it's quackery, as indeed given my personal experience with it, it appeared very effective.

Keep in mind that everyone's body is different and without proof or solid statistics to support a probability argument, the stakes in the argyria gamble are probably higher than they are in the penicillin gamble. But, if I ever run out of options and am morbidly sick, I will certainly go back on silver with confidence of it's ability to reduce my symptoms signficantly.

BTW, I don't sell silver. The kit that I used to make it cost $10, and someone gave it to me, I don't even know who made it. I did however buy my own silver wire from a reputable source (which I also forget) to try to ensure it's purity.

david



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I wouldn't try colloidal silver until the yeast infection is gone. It will act like an antibiotic and kill the healthy bacteria, too.

My doctor recommends a solution of 20 ppm--not extremely high, but not dangerous. Can't remember the brand name, because I am not ready for that avenue yet.


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thanks for all the insight and input on this issue of silver... It's complicated and emotionally charged I gather... well, it appears that the Salt/Vit C treatment just may be my best bet as of now.
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