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Angela Bachmann
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Angela,

Has your grandson been tested for Lyme? Could you/your daughter call Dr. J and ask his opinion?

I do remember old posts about kids with an autism diagnosis and got better with treatment.

We found out this year that it is likely our 2 sons were born with Lyme. They are now 15 and 19 years old.

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I am so sorry this is happenning to your family again!

Back in 2002 I found myself dianosed with Lyme and pregnant....reading your daugter's story was so important for me. It helped me to be more comfortable about pregnancy with Lyme and not do something stupid I would regret for the rest of my life.
My son was born in May 2003 and so far is fine.

I knew Lori was pregnant as well at that time, but only now I learned that she had a baby girl.
Congratulations on your new granddaughter!

I am so so sorry about your grandson. I hope everything will turn out well for your family!


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I had my son before realizing I had Lyme.

The symptoms started acting up enough for me to mention them when I was pregnant (problems sleeping, no refreshing sleep when I did sleep, achy joints and muscles, problems with balance, dizziness and almost blackouts, headaches, severe memory and concentration problems, exhuation, etc) and I was told 'this is normal in pregnancy'.

About 9 months after giving birth, everything just blew up. Insomnia, twitching and muscle spasms, flu-like ache, felt like all my muscles were pulled, problems w/coordination, couldnt' remember even my husband's name, etc.

2 yrs later I was finally diagnosed. I had already found Lymenet, diagnosed myself and found my LLMD.

During all of this, I started to wonder if my son might be autistic. He was walking on his tiptoes, had absolutely no eye contact w/anyone, obsessed with water, lights and fans, was scared of loud noises (could not vaccum, could not run dishwasher, etc), seemed to have no social skills or interest with other children, did not play or role play - just stacked things up in line or put things in and out of containers or took things apart and back together again, spun around all day in circles, seemed to have no fear and no pain, could not register if someone was getting upset, angry, sad, happy, etc, did not like to be touched, hugged or kissed, he could not transition well (like going from the grocery store to home or going from sandals to shoes and socks), would not tolerate water on his head (shampooing hair), did not like his head or face touched, didn't like to eat (dinner is still sometimes a chore), didn't like his teeth brushed at all, his clothes had to fit him just right or he would throw a fit, he was very repetitive when playing, seemed very agressive, extremely high energy level, really did not communicate for a very long time, etc.

I read an article in one of the children's magazines about a mother who had a similar experience w/her child and she wondered if her's might be autistic. She did certain things to help her child and her child 'grew' out of these symptoms.

I will see if I can find the article somewhere.

Anyway, I started to change the way I treated my son. If I showed him how things worked (like how to turn the dishwasher on and off), he wouldn't be so scared of the noise it made. I bought him his own vaccum to use when I vaccumed.

I like to give my son options. For example: if it's cold outside, he has to wear a long sleeved shirt, sweater, and/or jacket (I sometimes never know what will set my son off) but I will give him an option of what to wear - which seems to appease him most of the time or at least seems to calm him down after only a few seconds of crying.

My son acts differently now. He gives kisses and hugs all the time. He interacts and play with other children. He actually plays now instead of just being a huge whirlwind of energy and pulling everything out w/out playing. The past 6 months he started jumping, going on slides, dancing, etc. He says sentences now. Loud noises don't scare him. I don't know if I was just paranoid or if the things I did helped him or what. No idea.

He still has some odd symptoms - like walking on his tiptoes (not all the time now, though). He hates certain textures - especially w/clothing. He would wear the same shirt and pants every day if I allowed him to. He has to have his socks, shoes, pants and shirts on a certain way. He has to even have his bed a certain way (certain blankets laid down a specific way, pulled up to a certain length, certain toys allowed on his bed, other certain toys allowed in his room, other toys are *not* allowed in his room at all).

He still has problems with changing things (like going from a short sleeve tshirt to a long sleeved tshirt - even though it's cold- or changing from one pair of shoes to another or going from hotdogs for dinner to spegetti).

And he hates walking on the grass, beach, etc - he hates the feeling on his feet. For a very long time he would not walk w/out socks, now he will go barefoot inside but dislikes to go barefoot outside. He is very anal about being dirty. He hates his hands and feet being dirty. If he falls down, it really upsets him to get his hands and knees dirty.

He still has a very high energy level and is on the agressive side (not as bad as he used to be). He will rarely sit still for 5 minutes. BUT, he is a boy.

BUT, most of these odd behaviors aren't all the time (only occassional), he isn't as anal with them like he had been in the past and they blow over quickly.

I somehow was lead to The Out-of-Sync Child (I think from here) and bought it. It could be that my son has some sort of sensory integration dysfunction. My husband believes he himself has this - he understands the symptoms very well. He fits the adult symptoms to a tee. This book has let my husband and myself understand my son more and to be less frustrated and more patient because my son can't help it.

Might be worth reading:
http://www.out-of-sync-child.com/introduction.html

Interview w/author: http://www.comeunity.com/disability/sensory_integration/carol-kranowitz.html

http://www.childrensdisabilities.info/sensory_integration/bksync.html
http://www.kid-power.org/sid.html

The two LLMD's I have seen so far do not treat children. I am going to a new one in October and will ask her about my son. It would not suprise me if this could be Lyme related. But, if my husband has this dysfunction, could it have been given to my child genetically? No clue.

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Thanks so much, Jill. It'll be easier to approach my daughter about my grandson if I have something to show her in print. I'll print out what you sent to me.

From what I've read and from what Lori has told me, autism or autistic behavior is many times genetic. So, we'll see....

Blessings for you.....

Love,
Angela

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This is the article I read that made me wonder if my son had a sensory dysfunction:
http://www.child.com/kids/health_nutrition/dsi.jsp?page=1

IMPO, I really believe that noone *really* knows much about Autism. It's alot like Lyme disease.

Here are some good articles about Autism:
http://www.parents.com/articles/health/2085.jsp
http://www.parents.com/articles/health/5030.jsp
http://www.parents.com/articles/health/2156.jsp
http://www.suite101.com/article.cfm/autistic_spectrum_disorder/78213
http://www.suite101.com/article.cfm/autism_world/97497
http://www.autism.org/si.html

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Lyme and Autism:
www.neuraltherapy.com/word/Lyme1204.doc
http://www.columbia-lyme.org/flatp/childstud-n.html
http://www.ilads.org/bend_teen.html
http://www.webpediatrics.com/pandas.html
http://www.canlyme.com/autismlyme.html

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The following is a description of some of the commonly seen behaviors in children who exhibit sensory integrative difficulties.

* An acute awareness of background noises
* Fascination with lights, fans, water
* Hand flapping/repetitive movements
* Spinning items, taking things apart
* Walking on tip-toe
* Little awareness of pain or temperature
* Coordination problems
* Unusually high or low activity level
* Difficulty with transitions (doesn't "go with the flow")
* Self-Injury or aggression
* Extremes of activity level (either hyperactive or under active).
* Fearful in space (on the swings, seesaw or heights).
* Striking out at someone who accidentally brushes by them.
* Avoidance of physical contact with people and with certain "textures," such as sand, paste and finger paints.
* The child may react strongly to stimuli on face, hands and feet.
* A child may have a very short attention span and become easily distracted.
* A strong dislike of certain grooming activities, such as brushing the teeth, washing the face, having the hair brushed or cut.
* An unusual sensitivity to sounds and smells.
* A child may refuse to wear certain clothes or insist on wearing long sleeves/pants so that the skin is not exposed.
* Frequently adjusts clothing, pushing up sleeves and/or pant legs.
http://www.incrediblehorizons.com/sensory-integration.htm


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Angela,

At the Hope to Heal conference, a doctor from NY spoke about autism. He treats both Lyme and autism and has had some incredible success in reducing autistic symptoms.

I don't believe he thinks autism is from lyme. Let me know if you want me to find out his contact information for you.


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My older daughter had an autistic Lyme presentation (she had Babesiosis too) and CEDAX made such a difference- it is the pediatric Ceftin basically, great brain penetration. Within a few weeks she was normal again mentally. Still had pain physically for a year more of amoxicillin, then zithro and Mepron... but mentally returned to normal on cedax and amoxi and stayed on that for 3 months I think it was- and thank goodness she is 100% now-

sorry to hear, Angela,
Sarah


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