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Biting Back
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My little sis (no doubt has lyme, but doesn't think she does) has an infection in her stomach. I don't think it was identified as H. pylori or anything else, they simply called it bacterial overgrowth.

Her GP put her on a 10 day course of antibiotics for the infection which didn't relieve her symptoms at all. They told her they could only treat the bacterial overgrowth one time with antibiotics. They sent her on her way.

She went to see a doc at a big university teaching hospital. He plans to treat the bacterial overgrowth 7 days per month for a year, and prescribed flagyl.

She has bloating in her stomach and weight gains/losses from day to day, week to week of approximately 20 pounds. Her stomach feels very hard to the touch and she never knows what size clothing she will have to wear when she wakes up in the a.m.

I think her problem is lyme and the bacterial overgrowth is borrelia, bloating may be yeast.

Anyone else have this experience, or do you have any words of wisdom for me?

She has many, many, many symptoms that could be attributed to lyme, but she refuses to travel out-of-state to see a LLMD.

Any/all input much appreciated!

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While I have Bb, I also discovered that I had another gut infection. They did a susceptibility test on the bug to determine what abx would kill it. Among them was minocycline and since it is good for lyme, we decided on that.

Well after just two weeks of appropriate treatment, the pain was much less, the HORRIFIC food allergies (could only eat about 5 things) improved tremendously, basically, it was a HUGE improvement. Mind you, this was after 18 months of being unable to eat just about anything and being miserable and losing gobs of weight.

In short, keep an open mind. All infections are not Bb. And make sure your sister's docs culture the bug and perform a susceptibility test on it and just don't guess out their butts.


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Am trying to keep an open mind.

Strange thing is that she says she doesn't have any pain, just the bloating and hard stomach (looks very pregnant). She doesn't seem to have food allergies.

I think the first doc did a CLO test and endoscopy, but that's all I know. Is the CLO a susceptibility test, or just a test to detect bacterial infection? The 2nd doc did perform an x-ray of her stomach, but no results yet. I don't know if he's guessing his butt off or not, we didn't discuss her entire visit yet.

I went through the same exact thing, and although they cultured the bacteria in my stomach, the best they could say was that it resembled H. pylori, but they were not certain. The antibiotics did nothing for my stomach except to cause things to worsen. It was a herx, but I didn't know it at the time/didn't know I had lyme.

Thanks for your input, I really do appreciate it and am trying to be open minded. I guess time will tell.


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Hi,

I am wondering if whatver she has might be compounded by candida. This can cause bloating and that "hard stomach".

She may want to also look into doing an intestinal cleanse and also a parasite cleanse. The one that I do, and the part that I think really helps, is the charcoal/bentonite clay that acts like an intestinal vacuum, absorbing a lot of little buggers and toxins.

Alison


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quote:
Originally posted by Biting Back:
Am trying to keep an open mind.
I think the first doc did a CLO test and endoscopy, but that's all I know. Is the CLO a susceptibility test, or just a test to detect bacterial infection? The 2nd doc did perform an x-ray of her stomach, but no results yet. I don't know if he's guessing his butt off or not, we didn't discuss her entire visit yet.

A CLO test is a blood test that looks for h. pylori, the bug that contributes to ulcers. He SHOULD have taken a culture for other bugs (including yeast) when he did the endoscopy. That would have been the right thing to do. So, perhaps that was done, but if so, your sis should be able to get those results.

My bet is that was not done. Alternatively (and this is what I did after not having any luck determining the origin of my food allergies, bloating, and pain for so long), she might try going to a more "alternative" doc and do a Great Smokies Diagnostic Lab stool test. They test for any and all bacteria, yeast, and parasites and if they find any, the do tests to see what antibiotics (and herbs/supplements) will kill the bugs.

Here's the link to the lab and the GI tests (I had the first one on the list): http://www.gsdl.com/home/assessments/findsystems/gastro.html

Collecting the goods for the test is a bummer (pun intended), but wow, what a difference the results made in my health! The great thing about this test is that you know exactly what you are dealing with be it yeast, bacteria, or parasite (or some combination) AND you know what will get rid of it.

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If I'm not mistaken, flagyl is often used for yeast overgrowth. I think they mean she has yeast.... "bacterial overgrowth."

They just can't bring themselves to explain this! Most ducks don't believe in systemic yeast!

Why don't you send her this link on yeast? Tell her to try it for a few weeks [religiously] and see how she feels. YOu might also need to explain that she may feel worse in the beginning due to the die-off.

Candida elimination: http://flash.lymenet.org/ubb/Forum1/HTML/021412.html

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Send her this too:

Yeast: http://flash.lymenet.org/ubb/Forum1/HTML/001199.html[/URL] http://www.panix.com/~candida/ http://www.candida-yeast.com/
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___Have you been vaccinated within past 5 years?
___Have persistant Prostatitis or Vaginitis.
___Have taken Cortisone type drugs.
___Have taken birth control pills.
___React badly to cigarette smoke.
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___Symptoms worse on damp or muggy days.
___Have had athlete's foot and/or Jocky itch.
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___Crave alcohol (beer, wine, whisky).
___Feel helpless at times.
___Seem to have lost interest.
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___Shaky or irritable when hungry.
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___Had bladder infections.
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___Vaginal discharge
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___Often am dizzy or light-headed.
___Heart pounds or beats fast.
___Had constipation and/or diarrhea.
___Mouth ulcers
___Took antibiotics 3 times in past few years?
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___Have Premenstrual Syndrome (PMS).
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___Have allergic symptoms often.
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___Noticed numbness or tingling.
___Pains in my stomach.
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___Feel tired most of the time.
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My seven year old had the same hard bloating painful issue. I put her on the candida diet with natural anti fungals and eliminated all grains. Now it only occurs when she has wheat. The diet is a cheap easy place to start. It is probably a combo of thing but the medicine will work better if she isn't feeding the infection. Just tell her everytime she craves sugar and carbs it is the bateria that are wanting it not her. That did it for me! Also it is really healthy and certainly not going to hurt anything.
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Thank you, thank you, thank you everyone! Will pass your replies and the links on to her. I will also update you when I can.

I knew I could count on all of you for guidance and I really appreciate your input.


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