dontlikeliver
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I have been on Diflucan for 8 days and my tongue is kind of white/furry - I honestly can't remember if it was like that before I started the Diflucan or not...
Anyway, shouldn't the Diflucan take care of yeast throughout??
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The white furry tongue thing is definately YEAST!
Difucan should help, when I did more reseach I found that it actually does kill oral yeast. (You got to be wrong sometimes)
Nystatin is good too. I take Nystatin and caprylic acid. I do occasionally get a white tongue. (especially if I ate something I am not supposed too.) But the that combo seems too clear it up immediately.
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Have you tried Nystatin swish and swallow? Works great for oral thrush. You may need a Dakins solution if that doesnt work. Stay on the Diflucan in the meantime and ask your doc about Nystatin. You hold it in your mouth for awhile and it has direct contact with the yeast.
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As coincidence would have it, I am experiencing such a problem with my mouth but also involves a scrachy/irritated throat and sometimes irritations in my mouth.
I spoke with my doctor yesterday by phone and he felt that it was not the typical yeast infection most often seen because I was already on diflucan when this problem began last weekend.
He mentioned another yeast infection that is resistant to Diflucan. I am sorry but I can't remember the name. However, he prescribed a troche medication named clotrimazole 10 mg. The troche simply is dissolved in the mouth and can be taken every four hours if needed. I most likely will take two or three a day for now.
Today I am noticing some improvement. You might want to run this med by your doctor to see if this might be a possibility. I guess for me a combination of three antibiotics has kind of put me over the edge in spite of my being careful in my carb consumption.
Best wishes and let us know how it goes.
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dontlikeliver
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Thanks guys.
All the photos I could find on the internet of oral yeast showed pictures of white patches on tongue. Mine is not a patch, just an all over hairy look. I then read on some Candida site that hairy tongue is often misdiagnosed as Candida but is caused by something else (I think it said EBV).
In any case, I called my LLMD and he just said stop the Diflucan tomorrow as planned but don't go back on abx until I see him in about 10 days. I did ask if I shouldn't take the Diflucan a few more days, but was told no.
The problem is that my local GP is not going to prescribe Nystatin or any other antifungal for me, so I have no way of getting it now (he does not believe in Candida unless one is on one's deathbed, perhaps with AIDS). He only prescribed the Diflucan on my LLMDs request under duress....I will have to get an rx from my LLMD and buy it in New York to have in stock for later use I think.
I may try the Dakin solution again. I did that once a few months ago and it was vile and also very hard to get right at the back of the tongue.
Not only am I confused as to what the mouth yeast is supposed to be like, but yeast in general, and also incredibly frustrated that I can't even get something simple like Nystatin...
I am back on a survival diet now, lettuce, plain chicken, turkey and yogurt pretty much because I fear, if it is yeast, that it might just 'take off' and become a real nightmare.
Roll on LLMD visit!
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Just did dakin. yuk. Have one or two tiny white spots as far down on tongue as I can see (while gagging ) can't scrub those......
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Probably the MOST helpful thing I have found to prevent or eliminate yeast is that when I brush my teeth, after, I swish with yogurt or kefir. The good bacteria in your mouth from the yogurt or kefir, feeds what is in the gut. I have been on Doxy for a year and when I feel my tongue start to funk, I do the above and so far I haven't needed the medications. Before, I had to do Diflucan or Flagyl about once a month. It is better of course, to use PLAIN yogurt or kefir, but if you buy the expensive organic types like Brown Cow or Stoneybrook, they tend to have less sugar than the commercial brands like Dannon. I make my own yogurt and bought a yogurt maker at the used store for $2.50 and make it with good organic milk and stevia in about 8 hours. Really yummy. Good luck, *Bit*
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Thanks Bugbit,
I have been doing the plain yogurt since starting abx 15 months ago. On top I also chew 2 acidophilous capsules AM after scrubbing mouth, and same at bedtime. Inbetween, I take 4-6 Primal Defense probiotics by Garden of Life. So, I think I have done all I can on that front. The bad thing I did do for the last 3-4 months was stray from the low-carb. Maybe it's come back to bite me in the butt.
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Diflucan is systemic, so it works everywhere. The furry tongue can be a sign that the body is detoxing. So it is possible that the diflucan is doing a good job, and that a lot of yeast is dying off. If you didn't notice it before, then it probably wasn't there. I don't know why these Dr's only Rx a 10 day supply of diflucan. If there is a yeast problem, ( and there usually is with abx Tx ), 10 days is not enough. A systemic yeast infection can take months to get rid of.
All milk products can make candida worse, even plain yoghurt. You can get probiotics into your upper digestive tract by opening up a capsule and putting it onto your tongue and holding it there until it desolves.
Hydrogen peroxide works great for getting rid of the fur. Just pour a little onto a wet toothbrush and then scrub down your tongue with it. You will have to do this 3 or 4 times while spitting out the bubbling furball residue and rinsing off your toothbrush each time. Finish it off by gargling and swishing equal parts of Hyd peroxide and water for 30 to 60 seconds, and then rinsing a few times with water. Do not swallow any of the peroxide solution. Five minutes after your done you will have a nice new shiny pink tongue.
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Micul is right, remember the acidophilus on the tongue, that is important, especially after/if you do a Dakin's rinse. Peroxide is a good idea too, I swish it around straight out of the bottle, just don't swallow it! The Nystatin works great though. If you have a tongue scraper, that helps too. The Nystatin will kill the roots of the yeast, and staying on Diflucan will kill it in your blood.
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Thanks Micul and WC,
Don't know why I didn't think of Peroxide,for years, before correct diagnosis when I had chronic throat problems I always carried Peroxide and used to gargle with.
My tongue is still furry, although not as bad, despite the Dakin solution.
Yogurt: This is something I have wondered about. My LLMD is adamant it is CRUCIAL to eat every day, I have wondered because my ex-doctor (Dr. Atkins, deceased and missed my Lyme disease) did say to me though because he put me on an anti-yeast diet years ago that ANYTHING FERMENTED WAS OUT. That included yogurt, which is fermented, of course. So, it is confusing.
Micul and Wild Condor, do you both NOT eat yogurt and do alright yeast-wise?
Micul, thanks for mentioning the detoxing, I suppose it can be that also. Did not think of that.
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DLL:
Micul is correct about the peroxide. I do it a couple of times a week. Also, change your toothbrush often, at least every month.
Yogurt is NG in my opinion. I tried plain, zero sugar yogurt for about a year while I had a Systemic Candida problem. I only got worse. Stopping dairy was critical to my recovery. I do eat some goat cheese now on ocassion.
Low carb is good but no carb will deplete you of B vitamins very quickly and may also send your body into ketosis (been there). The best thing to do is eat unrefined, complex grains like millet, brown rice, barley, etc. Also, eat plenty of veggies and high quality organic protein.
Another thing that works on the furry tongue is tea tree oil mixed with water, swished in the mouth & spit out. It tastes nasty but gets the job done.
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Thanks Bc,
I am one of those people that if I eat even complex carbs like brown rice, I will crave more and more carbs, making me fatter and it becomes a vicious cycle.
So I think I have better stick wit very low carb. And, if I cut out dairy, well then it's going to be even lower. But, I think I will have to try cutting the dairy out and see how that goes.
I wonder if replacing it with Soy yogurt would have any negative effect on Candida and also oat-milk maybe.
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All milk products have a lot of lactose in them, which is milk sugar. Yeast don't care if it is lactose, sucrose, glucose, or fructose. It likes them all. Milk products can cause other health problems such as allergies. They are good for making glue tho. Most people do well to avoid them.
I don't try to stay on a low carb diet. I eat mostly carbs, but they are all complex carbs from vegetables. The ones that are low glycemic like green beans, collard greens, asparagus. I also eat salads and free range chickens, and grass fed beef. I stay away from high glycemic veggies like carrots, potatoes, pumpkin, corn, peas. I also stay away from all grain products because of the starch in them. It's no fun to be so strict, but it works, and it's better than letting the yeast takeover. I also take Nystatin tablets for routine maintenance, and of course a good variety of probiotics that don't have FOS or any other yeast feeding garbage in them.
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I take oil of oregano drops and mix with water and swish in the mouth to help with yeast in the mouth. I also drink a glass of water that has a dropperful of oil of oregano in it. Do this on an empty stomach to help yeast in the digestive tract.
I also take caprylic acid and olive leaf extract.
I just finished my diflucan and nystatin that I have been on since June, so we'll see if these other things keep working. Good luck to you. Hiker
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Thanks Micul and Hiker.
I'll do my best and see what happens.
Bought some peroxide today too.
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I'm like don'tlikeliver, very carb and dairy sensitive.
I brush tongue with the hydrogen peroxide and open a capsule of probiotics afterwards every evening before bed. It works.
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Agreed. Be careful of liquid Nystatin as it has SUGAR in it! Can you believe that!? I take the tablets.
I've found that I can't get away with eating yogurt either....except one now and then. Read the labels! The lowest sugar content I've found is 5 grams....Blue Bunny low carb.
I'd love to make my own, but I wonder if I'd still get yeast from it? A used yogurt maker...hmmmm...that's a good idea!
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Lymetoo, I bought my own yoghurt maker because I thought that it would be so much better, but it wasn't. Even if you don't put any sugar in the yoghurt, it has plenty of lactose in it, which is milk sugar. I even tried letting it culture for 24 hrs like another website recommends, but that just turns all the lactose into glucose. So instead of a slower digesting lasctose, now you have yoghurt that is high glycemic. I found it better to just stay away from all milk products when yeast is an issue.
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Now I don't know if this will help you, but I'm going to try it.. While stumbling and getting lost in super Wal-Mart I asked where "so and so" can be found and a conversation struck up.. they told me that they too suffered from yeast infection and they started to take cranberry pills every day and they have only had one infection in the past year... you can add the yogurt to the list too.. which I did to get rid of the hairy tongue.. and I added more acidophilus to my intake as well... so I am adding this to my list since my belly, breast and crouch area are riddled with yeast ( or so I think it to be yeast) I was told it could be fungus ... I had the diflucan when I developed the hairy tongue also, I remember how horrible those tabs are to take...so I tried to get rid of it with an increase of all other stuff that would help... I didn't take many of those pills either it took about 2 weeks.. I also stopped the ABX while getting rid of it.... Hope this might help! Linda D
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