Marnie
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George is brilliant and a nice guy. Did you know he developed zinc lozenges?
He chose Mg to cure his manic depression instead of lithium (which is the most reactive of all the minerals and is an exception to the rule re: PKC inhibitors - protein kinase C inhibitors).
He was the one who found and linked me to the Romanian abstract (Magnesium deficiency in lyme disease) which is mentioned, but not published, on Pubmed...It was presented at a world conference.
Find my Updated Nutshell post here. Find also my "long overdue" posts (7). Lots and lots of Mg info. I took each lyme symptom and linked it to a Mg deficiency symptom.
Have a lot of computer paper ready if printing out to study later.
You would like Carolyn Dean's (M.D., N.D.) book, The Miracle of Magnesium. Short, paperback,$14, easy reading.
This all started when someone here mentioned "one sided symptoms"...that means an electrolyte imbalance. At first, I suspected potassium. Took me awhile to figure out it was Mg...and then one by one the pieces fell into place.
Mg takes a dive very fast for numerous reasons and it continues to spiral down eventually leading to Dx: "autoimmune". Restoring the balance and MAINTAINING it is very, very important.
You might be interested in researching Dr. Pierre Delbet and Mg chloride...of many years ago.
Up until just a few years ago, the "Universal Remedy" was in the Merck manual...it was:
Mg oxide + tannic acid + activated charcoal.
Destroy the pathogen and soak up the toxins.
We mess up tannic acid when we try to duplicate it. But tannins are in some of our "healthiest" foods...the dark ones, like blueberries.
When animals are sick, they will often go to brown streams to drink the water which is full of tannins to heal (observation by a forest ranger).
When you start researching bismuth...let me know...peculiar mineral! ;-)
Time...long overdue...for bed.
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quote:Originally posted by Marnie: Mg takes a dive very fast for numerous reasons and it continues to spiral down eventually leading to Dx: "autoimmune". Restoring the balance and MAINTAINING it is very, very important.
Have you manage to restore your mg levels Marnie? I know most of my symptoms are due to mg deficiency but i've tried most mg supplements & mg injections wihout any success. I know mg absorption is so hard as is dependent on so many other things & needs to be balanced with Ca.
Did you have success with Mg taurate? what other supplements did you take with it?
You also mentioned: Mg oxide + tannic acid + activated charcoal. - any good?
Please share your success - thanks. Posts: 47 | From SP | Registered: Oct 2005
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My llmd asked me to start magnesium 500 mg. I tried 250 mg and ended up with horrible stomach cramps and the runs. Any suggestions?
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quote:Originally posted by LymeLaura: My llmd asked me to start magnesium 500 mg. I tried 250 mg and ended up with horrible stomach cramps and the runs. Any suggestions?
It was probably mg oxide. Goes right through you. Glycinate is what I take also.
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Jellybelly
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That IS an awesome website. I have been reading stuff off of it all day. Really good 101 basics that I had missed before.
The Miracle of Magnesium is a book that I believe everyone of our kind must read. The author of that website recommends another book on magnesium that just came out.
The Miracle of Magnesium recommends taking mag on an empty stomach. I used to do that, but try to take it both ways. Glycinate is really pretty easy on the stomach and up until just recently was the number one recommendation from the author of this site. Taurite, I think is he newest find.
Did you know that magnesium is depleted by calcium and vit. D? I suspected that, but now know it is true. Magnesium thins the blood in the same way as Coumadin does. It inhibits platelet aggregation.
Magnesium depletion could be at the root of our irritable hearts. Magnesium depletion causes calcium to crystalize in the soft tissue.
Really good stuff, check out the site.
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Oh my goodness I learn so much from this site. I have always had normal mammograms until this year when they spotted calcium deposits. Which can indicate cancer or precancer. So maybe caused by lack of magnesium caused by lyme? I also have horrible fasciculations and have been told to get on magnesium before by you all. So I just ran to the health food store and bought some magnesium. I took lymetoo's advice and went with the glycinate. I just feel good knowing I am doing something to help myself as I wait for the LLMD appt. Thanks again!
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Marnie
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Valletta's U.S. patent...to cure "autoimmune" diseases includes:
Mg pyrophosphate and sublingual (under the tongue) B6.
NOT huge doses...on the contrary...smaller, more often. That's the key.
Now you're gonna ask...what is pyrophosphate?
Pyrophosphate is thiamine (B1) and phosphorous.
So...Mg + B1 + a form of phosphorous + B6.
Keep in mind:
The genetic analysis of Bb indicates it has a 60 kDa pyrophosphate dependent PFK (phosphofructokinase) enzyme.
PMID: 12015149 (see the word pyrophosphate?)
Besides the above, there may be a supp. that would really help in addition.
Research lecithin!!!...page 43 of the book, "Prescription for Nutritional Healing".
The lack of PE and the inability to synthesize PC from PE by methylation means that B. burgdorferi is ***entirely dependent upon acquisition of exogenous choline from its hosts to synthesize PC.***
Free choline is readily available in eukaryotic fluids, often as a by-product of signalling pathways that activate phospholipases. Availability of choline may play a role in replication and recognition of a eukaryotic host by bacteria.
It is also tempting to speculate that, by mimicking the high PC phospholipid content of eukaryotic cells and utilizing choline derived from these cells, PC in B. burgdorferi membranes may play a role in host immune evasion and/or in the development of autoimmune responses to the organism.
Infection with Brucella sp. has resulted in the development of anti-PC antibodies within eukaryotic hosts (Casao et al., 1998). Establishment of the pathways by which B. burgdorferi synthesizes PC and PG is the first step towards a clearer understanding of the role of these phospholipids.
The relative paucity of different phospholipids in B. burgdorferi, and the existence of only a single pathway for synthesizing PC in this organism, presents opportunities for better understanding of the role of PC, which has not been as extensively studied because it is absent in the model Gram-negative and Gram-positive organisms E. coli and Bacillus subtilis.
Recent advances in the tools available for genetic manipulation of B. burgdorferi may eventually allow us to better dissect the roles of these phospholipids in disease pathogenesis.
This also maybe of interest:
"Magnesium may reduce insoluble fibrin levels by displacing calcium in the coagulation process.[8]
Moderate alcohol consumption may reduce levels of Factor VIII and fibrinogen, [9] whereas disease states and hypothalamic stimulation may elevate them.[10] Smoking increases both red cell mass and fibrinogen levels.
If this hypothesis is correct, the most effective approach to preventing and treating atherosclerosis may be measures that reduce viscosity and/or increase turbulence and mixing in the blood.
Ultrasound, which inhibits coagulation, may offer an effective means of treatment as well as diagnosis.
If Bb is locking onto the HS...heparin sulfate... receptor and is using fibrin to cloak itself from detection/distruction...
Another reason to get Mg levels back up!!! Don't forget to use your largest organ...the skin route...the baths.
I wasn't kidding when I posted "lyme patients can't be astronauts"...
The research to HELP our astronauts...measuring Mg levels and delivering it sub cutaneously as needed will someday help a LOT of people. Like lyme patients...astronauts' PFK levels dive, they undergo oxidative "stress" and they become anemic. Very similar situation!
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troutscout
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How wonderful for Marnie...seriously gratifying to have people recognize that Marnie hAS been on to soemthing....lol
Ha, ha.
Trout
PS...In the end the truth will be known. Way to go Marnie.
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