lymeHerx001
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I started to drink lots of water again.
What are your feelings on drinking lots of water. I thought for a while that the toxins from the bacteria and my liver didnt need /that/ much water.
I mean I used to drink maybee 5 bottles a day. I went to a site yesturday and took a survey on how much water I should drink. They asked me about 10 question.
Are you sick? do you live in a hot climate?? do you smoke?
etc,
well at the end of it they said I should drink 16 8 ounce cups a day!!!! WOW
Well Ive been herxing with a lot of toxins and depression (severe) from these mushrooms.
Today I started drinking lots of water at work. About 1 bottle an hour, 1 bottle = 1pt 16 ounces I belive.
and I felt better. I woke up feeling horrible and the more water I drank the better I felt and of course the more I peed.
I think I urinated about 6 times today. But its worth it.
Whats everyones take on water.... Im drinking different brands too. Currentlly Im drinkings nestles pure life.
I ABSOLUTELLY need to detox. I cant take milk thistle or the foot pads becuase I have a SEVERE healing crisis??? I get suicidal and more pain and BURNING neuropathy.
What does everyone think/
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Give me water!!!! That's about all I drink. Pure, reverse osmoses water. The purer the better. The more, even better. I do believe it will help keep your kidneys, bladder and liver clean. I have very low blood pressure and if I do not drink enough I get dizzy. And it helps my headaches and neuropathy as well. Also, cold water on my legs help the neuropathy as well. If you can tolerate it, you may find it helps you too. What are these detox mushrooms you mentioned? I would be interested in anything new to me on a homeoapthic detox. Hang in there...the more you drink, the more you PEE, which is a good thing! Blessings <><, Shar
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Im sorry their not detox mushrooms.
They are a medicinal mushroom complex called "host defense"
The company seems very serious and legit.
Anyway their product is causing me to HERX bad,, or should we say good.
My lyme doctor recomended them because my CD57 count was 4 when it should be at the very least 15.
The CD57 count is your NATURAL KILLER cell count.
--So how much water would you say you drink a day then? 10 cups?
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What brand/dose of mushrooms did your LLMD suggest?
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Just be careful with the amount of water you drink. Drinking too much water can be fatal! You can throw off your electrolyte balance.
A good thing to do is to get some all natural sea salt (the wet squishy stuff) and take some with the water. This helps the water absorb better, because you end up creating the same weight saline solution in your body that is already there and it is absorbed much better.
You may want to check out the website...I think it is http://www.watercure.com very simple but helps with detox a lot.
Cheers,
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SO how much would you say to drink then???
I need to flush out toxins more then anything else.
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I got into the habit of drinking water several years ago when I was trying to lose weight.
I believe I must drink at least a gallon a day or more I keep a water bottle on my desk which is a quart and it's always empty by noon - I always have a water bottle with me everywhere I go. And, boy do I miss it if I don't have it.
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In 37% of Americans, the thirst mechanism is so weak that it is often mistaken for hunger.
Even mild dehydration will slow down one's metabolism as much as 3%.
One glass of water shut down midnight hunger pangs for almost 100% of the dieters studied in a U-Washington study.
Lack of water is the number one trigger of daytime fatigue.
Preliminary research indicates that 8-10 glasses of water a day could significantly ease back and joint pain for up to 80% of sufferers.
A mere 2% drop in body water can trigger fuzzy short-term memory, trouble with basic math, and difficulty focusing on the computer screen or on a printed page.
Drinking 5 glasses of water daily decreases the risk of colon cancer by 45%, plus it can slash the risk of breast cancer by 79%, and one is 50% less likely to develop bladder cancer.
Are you drinking a healthy amount of water each day?
Origins: "You need to drink eight to ten glasses of water per day to be healthy" is one of our more widely-known basic health tips. But do we really need to drink that much water on a daily basis?
In general, to remain healthy we need to take in enough water to replace the amount we lose daily through excretion, perspiration, and other bodily functions, but that amount can vary widely from person to person, based upon a variety of factors such as age, physical condition, activity level, and climate. The "8-10 glasses of water per day" is a rule of thumb, not an absolute minimum, and not of all of our water intake need come in the form of drinking water.
The origins of the 8-10 glasses per day figure remain elusive. As a recent Los Angeles Times article on the subject reported:
Consider that first commandment of good health: Drink at least eight 8-ounce glasses of water a day. This unquestioned rule is itself a question mark. Most nutritionists have no idea where it comes from. "I can't even tell you that," says Barbara Rolls, a nutrition researcher at Pennsylvania State University, "and I've written a book on water." Some say the number was derived from fluid intake measurements taken decades ago among hospital patients on IVs; others say it's less a measure of what people need than a convenient reference point, especially for those who are prone to dehydration, such as many elderly people.
The consensus seems to be that the average person loses ten cups (where one cup = eight ounces) of fluid per day but also takes in four cups of water from food, leaving a need to drink only six glasses to make up the difference, a bit short of the recommended eight to ten glasses per day. But according to the above-cited article, medical experts don't agree that even that much water is necessary:
Kidney specialists do agree on one thing, however: that the 8-by-8 rule is a gross overestimate of any required minimum. To replace daily losses of water, an average-sized adult with healthy kidneys sitting in a temperate climate needs no more than one liter of fluid, according to Jurgen Schnermann, a kidney physiologist at the National Institutes of Health. One liter is the equivalent of about four 8-ounce glasses. According to most estimates, that's roughly the amount of water most Americans get in solid food. In short, though doctors don't recommend it, many of us could cover our bare-minimum daily water needs without drinking anything during the day.
Certainly there are beneficial health effects attendant with being adequately hydrated, and some studies have seemingly demonstrated correlations between such variables as increased water intake and a decreased risk of colon cancer. But are 75% of Americans really "chronically dehydrated," as claimed in the anonymous e-mail quoted in our example? Many of the notions (and dubious "facts") presented in that e-mail seem to have been taken from the book Your Body's Many Cries for Water, by Fereydoon Batmanghelidj. Dr. Batmanghelidj, an Iranian-born physician who now lives in the USA, maintains that people "need to learn they're not sick, only thirsty,'' and that simply drinking more water "cures many diseases like arthritis, angina, migraines, hypertension and asthma." However, he arrived at his conclusions through reading, not research, and he claims that his ideas represent a "paradigm shift" that required him to self-publish his book lest his findings "be suppressed.''
Other doctors certainly take issue with his figures:
[S]ome nutritionists insist that half the country is walking around dehydrated. We drink too much coffee, tea and sodas containing caffeine, which prompts the body to lose water, they say; and when we are dehydrated, we don't know enough to drink. Can it be so? Should healthy adults really be stalking the water cooler to protect themselves from creeping dehydration?
Not at all, doctors say. "The notion that there is widespread dehydration has no basis in medical fact," says Dr. Robert Alpern, dean of the medical school at the University of Texas Southwestern Medical Center in Dallas.
Doctors from a wide range of specialties agree: By all evidence, we are a well-hydrated nation. Furthermore, they say, the current infatuation with water as an all-purpose health potion -- tonic for the skin, key to weight loss -- is a blend of fashion and fiction and very little science.
Additionally, the idea that one must specifically drink water because the diuretic effects of caffeinated drinks such as coffee, tea, and soda actually produce a net loss of fluid appears to be erroneous. The average person retains about half to two-thirds the amount of fluid taken in by consuming these types of beverages, and those who regularly consume caffeinated drinks retain even more:
Regular coffee and tea drinkers become accustomed to caffeine and lose little, if any, fluid. In a study published in the October issue of the Journal of the American College of Nutrition, researchers at the Center for Human Nutrition in Omaha measured how different combinations of water, coffee and caffeinated sodas affected the hydration status of 18 healthy adults who drink caffeinated beverages routinely. "We found no significant differences at all," says nutritionist Ann Grandjean, the study's lead author. "The purpose of the study was to find out if caffeine is dehydrating in healthy people who are drinking normal amounts of it. It is not."
The same goes for tea, juice, milk and caffeinated sodas: One glass provides about the same amount of hydrating fluid as a glass of water. The only common drinks that produce a net loss of fluids are those containing alcohol -- and usually it takes more than one of those to cause noticeable dehydration, doctors say.
The best general advice (keeping in mind that there are always exceptions) is to rely upon your normal senses. If you feel thirsty, drink -- if you don't feel thirsty, don't drink unless you want to. The exhortation that we all need to satisfy an arbitrarily rigid rule about how much water we must drink every day was aptly skewered in a letter by a Los Angeles Times reader:
Although not trained in medicine or nutrition, I intuitively knew that the advice to drink eight glasses of water per day was nonsense. The advice fully meets three important criteria for being an American health urban legend: excess, public virtue, and the search for a cheap "magic bullet." Last updated: 6 February 2001
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I don't believe in the whole water-heals-everything theory, but I do notice less vague things like slight headaches and skin that doesn't look as good as it used to when I don't drink enough. Also my menstrual cramps get less sharp and painful when I drink more.
But I don't instruct myself to drink. I just drink throughout the day. Juice and a big mug of tea in the morning, two more teas in the afternoon, a drink with my dinner, 2 in the evening, and a glass of water when I go to bed.
That's 8 drinks plus the 4 drinks that are in your food. In holland they say you need to drink 6 drinks a day besides what you get from your food. I feel fine with this ammount of fluid so I see no need to drink additional water.
I don't really see why it would matter what kind of water (or other drink) you drink as long as it's clean (no actual pollution, no alcohol) and you like it. If it's not entirely pure, that bit of other stuff will just go where all the stuff from our food, air, etc. goes, in my opinion. If I see what the average car throws in my face while I cycle past, I can't really get myself to care enough to get bottles of water and cycle them back to my house, instead of just using the water that comes out of my kitchen wall for free. Whatever's in the free water is probably peanuts compared to what my lungs endure during the extra cycling to the store Posts: 185 | From the Netherlands | Registered: Mar 2005
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I think it's recommended to take your body weight, divide it in half, and drink that amount in ounces a day.
So, a 200 pound person would drink 100 ounces of water a day, for example.
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So lymeloco by the research you presented I shouldnt drink more then a couple of glasses a day?
What about people with potent neuro-toxins, endotoxins, drugs and those chemically sensitve to alcohol like me.
Does this need not apply?
Who has carried out research on a toxically overloaded system and its improved or lack of improved elimination being a factor in their health.
LOGICALLY it makes sense that the toxins eventually get disolved in water and excreted through the urine and feces.
So if we dont have enough water then our bodies conserve our fluids and retain our toxins.
This seems like 3rd grade logic to me.
But then again I could just be another stupid confrontaional idot whos testomony has no basis in truth.
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definetly watch your water intake and make sure it is NOT too much! It can be very dangerous and cause Hyponatremia where your Sodium level drops low and causes swelling in your brain...not to scare you bit this happened to me a few years back.
I now drink about 3 liters a day of water...I add Electromix to it as well as 1/4 tsp of celtic sea salt.
I also drink Hexagonal Water and have found it to ne of tremendous help to me.....
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Thanks for the advice but Im still trying to find evidence to back this up.
How much is too much? I read that you get water poisoning if you drink around 200 ounces in an hour. Thats ALOT!
I use extra salt now.
Im drinking about 128 ounces a day and I feel better. I use extra salt now even though the recomended daily allowance of sodium is around 2400mg. THats about 1 teaspoon. That the maximum.
The only thing is I pee about 7 times a day.
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Hyponatremia
Most patients are asymptomatic of the hyponatremia, but usually have symptoms related to the underlying cause.
Severe hyponatremia may cause osmotic shift of water from the plasma into the brain cells. Typical symptoms include nausea, vomiting, headache and malaise. As the hyponatremia worsens, confusion, stupor or coma may occur.
Water intoxication is a medical condition (also known as hyperhydration) in which an individual's intake of water is excessive. A person with two healthy kidneys can rid themselves of about 1.5 litres of water per hour at maximum filtration.
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I did my math about what the kidneys can effectivelly get rid of.
A human can handle 2.4 liters of water an hour before hyponatremia occurs.
This is about 2 and a half bottles of water.
I stick to one an hour at most.
I think after the sauna I have about 2 sometimes. If I drink too much water I do get nautious. Now I know this is the beginning signs of hyponatremia.
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Just be careful...an old friend of mine who was an athlete died from drinking too much water.
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I've posted many times about the importance of drinking water with disease. For two years I've been drinking a gallon- gallon 1/2 a day. Filtered tap water. I've lost those 30 lbs I gained 6 yrs ago with lyme.
A year ago I discovered distilled water when I'm herxing/toxic. Distilled water will bind to toxins and wash them away. It makes a world of difference in me. I buy by the gallon at Walgreens and drink for several days.
Drinking water should be room temp. The body can't absorb iced/cold water as much as is needed to flush out toxins. I have a tall quart size sports cup with straw that goes everywhere I go, except a few places of course.
It will take a few months for you body to realize that you are truly going to give it the water it needs. Then your body will start dumping the water it's been storing for survival. Weight loss!!!! So eventually the running to pee all the time will cease.
In fact I urinate less now then I did when I was extremely ill with lyme. I can remember the days when I would awaken two times every night to urinate. Now I never do, unless I drink something my bladder doesn't like a beer.
Take care, Pam
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lymeherx, I was just putting some info.out that I came across. I don't think there has been any studies about the amount of water one should drink with toxins, or other medical conditions.
I do believe you need to drink enough to flush out the toxins, and with all the meds. people take, it clearly would seem the right thing to do.
I'd be more concerned with the toxins in our tap water, and hope people are drinking filtered.
There has been controversary about flouride causing bone cancer in young males. If you check out what flouride contains...it's scary!
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Lymeherx - One way you can check for water intoxication is to have your electrolites monitored every month. If your sodium is low or others low as well then it can be a signal that you are dumping too much free water.
The key is to hydrate your cells.... Too much water will become displaced into the tissue which is the problem...
As long as you keep an eye on the situation, and add salt and electrolites to your drink then things should be fine.
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Where could I get my electrolites checked.
Through my urine...
Also doesnt your electrolites change throught the day? I couldnt find any information on how long our bodies hang on to sodium or if we have a reserve for it,
I must say thought that today I downed a pint of cold water really fast that a friend gave me. I started to become nautious and paniced that I was going into Hyponatremia So I reached for the salt shaker and took some on my toungue!!!!!
I must say the nautia went away but I think it was psychosomatic.
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One more word on water.
Our cells live in a liquid environment. Our body flushes the fluids around each cell approx. 10,000 times a day. Nutrients are carried in and toxins carried out.
When you do not drink enough water, your fluid becomes like sludge and it is hard for the body to deliver the nutrients and remove the toxins. The cells become sick and disease takes over.
Drink the water and find ways to expel it. Walking, stretching, deep breathing, etc. It is very hard to overdrink and most of us are not in danger of doing so.
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I don't like to drink water. I barely get a bottle a day, if that much. Most the time I do not. Fruit and vegetables contain a huge percentage of water. Good water. I love both.
Bottled water? most of it is not clean. Plastic bottles - even worse - you are drinking plastic. Most of the complaints I hear are a lack of electrolites - not water. Water sold in glass bottles - if they are recycled glass bottles, do you think they rinse them twice after detergents???? The cost and the quality?
Drink water, but add a capful of electrolites to it. That's what most of us are lacking. Start with a few drops in the glass - if it does not taste salty, add more. As you are replenishing your electrolites, the water will start tasting a bit salty. As long as the water does not taste slighly salty, very slightly, add more until it does. It is right if you taste the salt a little.
Without electrolites, none of the supplements or meds are going to be as effective as you want them to be.
My mother reached a healthy 92 - never ever did I see her drink water. She ate an apple a day, for certain. She had her coffee. There was always fruit and vegetables in a meal.
The elctrolites are the transmitters in your body - they starts to turn the electricity on - just as you give a lamp a kick if it does not want to light up. Nothing happens - it stays pitch dark - if you don't have them in the needed quantity. Water in excess flushes everything out before your body has a chance to assimilate.
I know a few of these gallon-a-day drinking patients. I do not see the progress - and worse, using nothing but distilled water everywhere in the house.
Take care.
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You're supposed to drink 1/2 your body weight in ounces of water. If you weigh 100 lbs, you drink at least 50 oz of water. That said, I think the 8 glasses of water a day is still a good average amount.
Our medications and supplements need water to help them do their thing. Our kidneys need to be flushed. NOTHING flushes the kidneys except water.
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I'm a big fan of water. I drink about 4 liters a day, always filtered and at room temperature.
Somehow, like Loco and others have said, it makes sense to me that it's important to flush out all the stuff in our bodies. Drinking water seems like a great way of doing that.
One side benefit Pam talked about is that I've also lost the 30 pounds I put on when my Lyme was at its worst. Now I'm able to wear all those "wishful thinking" clothes I'd tucked in the back of the closet!
Andie
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quote: I don't really see why it would matter what kind of water (or other drink) you drink as long as it's clean (no actual pollution, no alcohol) and you like it. If it's not entirely pure, that bit of other stuff will just go where all the stuff from our food, air, etc. goes, in my opinion. If I see what the average car throws in my face while I cycle past, I can't really get myself to care enough to get bottles of water and cycle them back to my house, instead of just using the water that comes out of my kitchen wall for free. Whatever's in the free water is probably peanuts compared to what my lungs endure during the extra cycling to the store
I used to think as much, but the empiracle evidence, in my case, is irrefutable. My guess about what is going on chemically: Many of us are right on the edge of toxic overload, especially with the numerous nerotoxins from lyme thrown in, and the extra detoxing effect of the extra pure fluid can make a huge difference. As can the poisons in, say tap water.. That being said, a living body has a remarkable ability to adjust to all the conditions we can imagine. But when it must do so continually for too long, the body has trouble maintaining that delicate balance, and sickness- for example, cancer, can result. DaveS
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