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Hello everyone, It's been quite some time since I've posted here. I have gone back through the archives and could find only one post regarding using Biocalex for root canals.
Does anyone here have personal experience with this? Has anyone ever had a root canal fail after they had it done using Biocalex?
Any experiences, thoughts, or information, good or bad would be greatly appreciated.
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They aren't good. They fail.
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My advice is NEVER to get a root canal. They are never bacteria-free and thus set the stage for more infection, especially for those of us with compromised immune systems from Lyme. My 1 root canal contributed to a serious jawbone infection, causing me to lose most of my teeth and endure serious daily pain. Get the tooth pulled by a dentist who will pull it properly (making sure to pull the peridontal ligament and scrape the bone underneath to ensure no bacteria is left behind).
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Thanks for the replies. I wouldn't hesitate to have the tooth pulled except for the fact that it is the only molar I have left on that side of my mouth.
If I have the tooth extracted, then not only will I have nothing left to chew with on that side, but the options for replacing/restoring that tooth are very limited. In addition, because of the way my teeth are on that side, shifting of my teeth is nearly a certainty.
What do others of you do that are in this same situation?
Anyone have any information/opinions on what options are available to keep the shifting from happening or replacing/restoring that tooth?
I did go to a "biological dentist" who has referred me to both a biological endodontist as well as a biological oral surgeon -- depending on which option I choose -- removal or root canal/crown.
Thanks for the help.
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I have had multiple tooth problems, basically from having braces as a kid, not brushing assiduously back then, eating sugar, getting a ton of cavities, etc. And then I don't floss as regularly as I should and perhaps I genetically tend to get cavities. I've been chastened once again recently and I had a tooth get decay that when drilled went into the nerve and then I had it pulled a few weeks ago and it has hurt a lot since then, although I'm beginning to think that it is starting to heal--the part that hurt must've been from a fracture of the socket, and inflamed nerves.
I'm not sure bout that though and did take high dose amoxy for 2 weeks which happened to help my lyme symptoms a lot.
Anyway, I've thought a lot about it. If you have lyme, and if you are vulnerable, its not a good idea to have a root canal--it's better to get a partial denture. Biocalex fails and dentists tried it and aren't using it anymore. I read on the web that theoretically you can just use the cement and some dentists who are radicals are doing that.
I also read that they've already made mice grow new teeth through stem cells and hopefully within 5-10 years we'll have the same.
I also found out that sharks make 30,000 teeth in a lifetime. They grow new teeth every 8 days or so. I've been discussing the horrors of teeth with friends (and most have a horror story--from wisdom teeth pulled and complications with bony fragments, to a fractured tooth that's killing somebody and the dentist is scoffinig at them and doesn't believe its fractured, on and on). I really think nature should give us three or four sets of teeth. Two is not enough! A tooth cannot last from childhood to old age.
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Hi, Thanks for the response. That's really cool about the mice growing new teeth.
Wouldn't that be awesome!!!
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Biocalix was the material people had hoped for to work in a root canal. It's now been several years that we know it does not work.
All root canals eventually fail - scientists in the field have tested hundreds or thousands of them. "If you have root canals, you will have cavitations because they cause them" - quoting one of the scientists at a recent Klinghardt seminar, Bob Jones, inventor of the CAVITAT. www.altcorp.com Bacterial and all other microorganisms live in cavitations and will not clear out until the root canal and surrounding infected bone is removed and/or cleaned out, always followed by a detox program that addresses thioethers/mercaptans (the toxins created by root canals that can penetrate any area of the body; often the brain). You will fight a losing battle if you have a chronic disease and hold on to your root canals.
Don't get any root canals.
Missing teeth should be replaced in the safest way possible to avoid shifting of the structure of the whole body. Many a backache or brain dysfunction is related to missing teeth and/ or a poor bite.
I have posted about teeth on this board for at least five years. You might want to read some. Nothing has changed over the years.
Take care.
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Oh my god!! I have had bad bad teeth but I had no idea about the root canals. I am only 29 and have had to have 6 root canals. It seemed liked everytime I would get a filling it would turn into an infection then came the root canals.
After the root canals I have since had to pull 3 of them because they also got infected. Nobody could figure out why my teeth are so bad because I did take care of them. Is this also Lyme related.
I currently still have three root canals in my mouth. They do hurt a bit on and off but I can't pull these teeth because they are front teeth. 2 on top and 1 on the bottom. I don't want to be sick and ugly!!!!! LOL
I found one of the special dentists (I forget what they are called) I started getting all my mercury fillings out. I had 12 of them. Now I still have 2 left and can't afford to finish right now. I should just get false teeth. Michelle Posts: 79 | From Oxford,MA,01540 | Registered: Jul 2004
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In order to get the real and true results of the TOPAS test, which is done in the dentist chair and is not expensive, make sure the dentist taps or agitates the tooth before he tests the tooth. This is very important for the test to show the condition of the root canals. If it is not done that way, the test is useless.
This was explained at length to us at a recent seminar where the researcher/scientists of Altcorp. participated (the people who developed the test several years ago).
I had 13 root canals - I don't have them any longer. I am well today.
Good luck in your decision-making.
Take care.
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Check into partials to replace the missing teeth or tooth. If you loose another tooth down the road, it can be attached to it.
Crowns and bridges are expensive and tough on the teeth. The drilling is tough on the nerve of the tooth. The more I did, the worse it got. That's how I ended up with 13 root canals over the years.
My son lost one molar and had a partial made for it years ago. It works fine and has been for a number of years now. Find a good denturist if your State allows you to go to a denturist directly. It costs less and usually the lab is right there.
Just suggestions.
Take care.
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Gigi, thanks for the suggestions. I was hoping you were still here as I knew you had a lot of info regarding this subject. I did go back and search your posts. There's just so much info that it is difficult to find exactly the answers I was looking for since I am in a kind of emergency situation with this toothache thing I have going on. Thanks for posting.
There is so much info and misinfo on this subject. I went to a bio dentist who said the controversy was still raging about root canals, cavitations, etc. If the dentists cannot come to some kind of agreement, how in the heck is a lay person supposed to be able to make informed choices. Just like everything else these days, nothing is easy.
Also (and this is an issue I have a really hard time with), the crown alone (not counting the root canal part of the work) was nearly three times as expensive as a regular crown. This really boils my blood. AND she "thought" she could "probably" do a crown on this particular tooth okay. This does not inspire much confidence.
Also, she said that if I decided on extraction I could use something to replace the tooth called Val--- something. Valtrax or Valpax or something. I can't find where I wrote this name down. But basically it was a looped piece of plastic with a tooth attached to it. You put the loop over the adjacent tooth to hold it in. And you have to take it out every night. This is supposed to keep your teeth from shifting. Frankly, this is less than appealing to me. I can't see why the tooth wouldn't be moving all around and such. I cannot understand how this tooth could be stable in any way and not slip all around in your mouth. And I didn't even ask how much this lovely piece of plastic cost.
In addition, the dentist sent me to a practioner for muscle testing for biocompatible dental materials. I have never had this done (the muscle testing) and while it does make sense to me in some ways, I am very leery of trusting this person as his recommendation for detox before going to have the work done (because the tooth is filled with a mercury filling) was to take 500 mcg of selenium and some kind of cilantro mixture (I assume something he sold). EVERYTHING I have ever read has said that selenium is toxic over 200 mcg. And then when I asked him about this (very politely), he got VERY angry and indignant.
In addition, my understanding is that you are NOT supposed to take things to try to get rid of mercury until you have the mercury out of your mouth. And I have a mouth full of mercury fillings (which he also said were "leaking") that have been in my mouth for 20-30 years and have not been addressed yet. Putting all these things together, he seems like a snake oil salesman to me.
Just by-the-by, I did not pull all this out of the air. I have read the Hal Huggins book and the Andrew Cutler book. I have done research here and on other LD sites. And it makes sense to me that anything that could dislodge mercury could pull it from existing fillings and possibly put it somewhere else indiscriminately and possibly in a worse location than it was previously.
Sorry everyone that this post is so long, but I just wanted to say to everyone to be very careful. There are just as many "bad" alternative practitioners out there as there are "bad" allopathic practitioners. My intuition tells me this guy knew nothing/very little/not enough about nutrition/supplements/herbs and lots about taking my money. And I have learned my intuition never leads me in the wrong direction.
Gigi, if you read this and I am incorrect about the selenium/cilantro issue or if you have any further info you think I would find helpful, please correct me or let me know. I would be happy for you to do so. I only had this biocompatibility testing done yesterday so I have not yet had time to go back and search and see if you address this issue in some other post. But I will do this today.
Thanks to everyone who posted on this issue.
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Cat, biocalex does not provide a good seal, so its useless. I'd have the tooth out, get your mercury fillings out, get a partial denture, and wait for 3-5 years for the stem cell/tooth stuff to happen. They're starting clinical trials in a year or two, I think. THey did it in mice, no reason they can't do it in humans. What they ahve to figure out is the genes tha tmake a molar versus say a canine tooth. Plus the tooth has to be the right size for your body and sinuses and stuff. Can you imagine if you grew a canine tooth in back or a molar in front , lol Posts: 2276 | From united states | Registered: Jun 2004
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Cat, you asked me. Don't use selenium or cilantro in that amount while you still have the fillings. Selenium binds with mercury very readily and carries it elsewhere -- usually not out of the body. I would not use any of this until you have a clear indication by a good ART practitioner that you are ready to trust. His/her experience for successful detoxing is important. This is not do-it-yourself stuff.
I question A. Cutler's detoxification methods. I have met some of the patients that did.
Take care.
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I'm scheduled for my first root canal also, in a few weeks. It sounds pretty risky. ...
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Daniella,
"I'm scheduled for my first root canal also, in a few weeks. It sounds pretty risky. ..."
Read the book "Root Canal Cover-Up" that is already ancient - and not a thing has changed during the intervening years.
Take care.
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