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I have been doing BVT for a few weeks now to help with my difficulty walking, but it doesn't seem to be helping. I continue to feel more swelling and stiffness daily.
I know BVT takes months before you notice results, but is it normal to get worse with each passing day?
I don't know if it is making my immune system go haywire.
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stop them until the swelling goes down, then wait 2-4 or more days until the asscociated sensations are absolutely gone, then you can decide to continue.
one of my experiences with live bees:
stung my self in the legs below, but near the knee joint. legs stayed swollen for 2-3 days, no reduction in swelling. getting concerned, i took Dr. Zhang's(TCM) Circulation No.2 capsules(note 1), and the swelling went down. best i recall, it started working hour(s) later, and totally reduced, either by the day's end, if not by the next day.
best i recall, i took it according to the bottles instructions.
i only did the bee stings and took nothing else while doing the stings.
I had a pimple-like bumps from these infections, on the top-back of my skull,abx got two of them, and the third, largest recalcitrant bump for 18 months. at that time, after two unsuccessful attempts with the bee in the tweezer's to sting the bump i got the bump dead on and the bump disappeared over approx. 3-4days. with the first two attempts to get the bump, the bee stung one finger, and the other my scalp far from the bump. thats what happens when you can't see what your doing.
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Both my husband and I had lots of Bee venom therapy. I never liked it, but it must have done its part in getting us well.
Live bees is a horror for me - just thinking about it. There is a more humane method where the bee does not have to die - the venom from bees out of a clean environment is collected in a method that lets the bees live!
there is a small circular screen where one can allow the bee to sting through without losing its stinger, and so also dying because of this loss.
one can get several more stings out of the bee, and, if they want to let the bee go.
i haven't done this, cause it was next to impossible to do by myself. one needs someone else to do this.
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Yes, one of the hardest parts is that the bees die, but I remind myself that a bee only lives for about 40 days in the wild (the queen can live for years).
I looked into the sleeve that allows the bee to keep its stinger, and thus stay alive, but the company no longer sells it. I think because it was so impractical to use.
Gigi, you mentioned it "worked" for your husband and yourself. In what way(s) did it work? It seems it has helped lyme patients, but I don't know of anyone that is asymptomatic because of BVT.
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VLSer, Bee Venom is just one of the many different treatment modalities we did. Lyme Disease and other existing conditions cannot be healted with Bee Venom alone. It would be a miracle.
Here is the list of all we did.
Take care.
This a list of drugs and supplements I took and the various therapies that accompanied them. All were tested with ART (muscle tested) before I took any. If a remedy did not test well for me with ART, no matter how well it may have worked on other patients, I would not take them (including antibiotics). I takes a good ART practitioner a few minutes to test this. It happened several times that antibiotics did not test positive for me - so I would not take them, but just wait a few weeks or months. Most of them, except as noted, I took for a month or two, repeating as needed. I n e v e r never took anything constantly/every day, thereby avoiding becoming incompatible or allergic to a medicine or remedy. My total length of consuming abx was approx. 6-8 months (2.5 months of it IV Rocephin) distributed over approx. five years.
My regimen changed every few weeks or few months. What tested with ART as the dominant problem in my body, that is what was treated. If I tested positive for metals, metal treatment was done. If I tested positive for viruses, that was addressed. If I tested positive for parasites with ART, that problem was addressed.
I never suffered a ``herxheimer'' I am sure for this very reason. I may have had a better or not-so-good a day. But usually, remedial action in form of colonics, lymphactic drainage, neural therapy would take care of that. If the organs are blocked or overloaded, no use adding more burden. That's my doctor's philosophy.
Rocephin IV 2-1/2 months Amoxicilin- 3 weeks Cefuroxamine Hyaluronic Acid Tinidazole Metronidazole Cipro VancomycinZithro Biaxin Amandadine Mepron - didn't work Artemesia (Zhang) - worked partially Artemesinin by Holley Pharm.(works well) accompanied by Microcurrent KMT22
I took a total of 6-8 months antibiotics spread over five years - overall.
Garlic Freeze Dried - more like pounds of it Ecomer Shark Liver Oil (antiviral) - 2 months Seacure (antiviral) - 2 months Essential oils (internal and external) - little Pesticide and Chemical Protocol (proprietory) - 48 day program of Dr. K. Essential Fatty Acids/fish oil / lots - for brain recovery Heavy metal detox - DMPS (total of three injections over several months, IV and IM only when ART tested ), Cilantro tincture (lots), Chlorella pyrenoidosa (lots), PCA, NDF - only after removal of all amalgams. I will always take chlorella for maintenance.
Mineral IV's Vitamin C plus mineral IV's Colloidal silver - 30 days Silver and hydrogen peroxide protocol - would not ever touch it again Aurosol (gold) Probiotics (Pharmax) lots Inuflora Liver Support / Pharmax/BioRay Lymphomiosot (creme and pills for drainage Horsetail tea and other detox teas Cholestyramine (little) Betasitosterol (lots) Olive Leaf Extract / early/ lots/disappointing B Complex- one month IM - never orally B12 - 2 months MSM - tons of it - still every day Wobenzyme - lots until better products came on market such as Rechtsregulat Multi Mins from Biotics - lots Natural Salt (Hunza Salt and Real Salt - all the time)- avoid sea salt Hormone homeopathics Antiviral herbal treatments - six weeks NADH IV's Hepa Merz (L-Ornithine) IV's) Glutathione IV's) various combinations SpiroNil / teasel Lyme nosodes Parasite cleanse: Arise and Shine; Sputnik, Albendazole, Cesol
Sanum Remedies Lyme Protocol Goat Whey Trace Minerals Enderlein homeopathics Electrolites - always Lyme Transfer Factor - one bottle - too expensive and doubtful Folic Acid - briefly Occasionally a vitamin and/or mineral that tested deficient with ART or it became obvious that I should have it Magnesium and calcium - daily
Below are most of the therapies that I received over a 5-6 year period which played major role in my recovery:
Neural Therapy (often) with procaine and/or DMPS to detox Cranial-sacral treatments (lots) Lymph drainage (lots) Colonics (often) Coffee enemas (few)
Bee Venom injections/pricks (a few months)
Microcurrent-rife/ with most updated frequencies as in S21, KMT22 or KMT240 (not Rife/RF, etc., but microcurrent which is a current in a biological range that is healing). CD's with microbial inhibition frequencies/sound (bacteria, viruses, parasiates, fungi, etc.) Psychokinesiology, i.e. removing unresolved emotional conflicts, takes minutes with a good ART practitioner - few minutes at a time(moderate)
Hyperbaric Oxygen (12 dives I didn't like one bit - set me back)
MOST IMPORTANT - The most important part of my cure:
Removal of all metal fillings, crowns, root canals, cavitations/infections from teeth/jaws/wisdome teeth areas - (major impact regaining health) followed by a lengthy heavy metal detox program as outlined above, with neural therapy combined with DMPS, etc. Tens unit (often) Real-Time Digital EEG Neurofeedback/EEG Imaging (a few weeks, daily) Electro Bloc (often) Intracranial Dean Howell Balloon therapy (eight sessions) - hated them, but the method is different now and very easy to take and results great for cranium
Infrared Sauna (lots) Red Laser/face (lots after metal removal) Music therapy (lots) Hemotherapy (one seven day course) Ozone injections (moderate) Photron Light therapy (moderate) Prolo-therapy (two sessions - alleviated all back pain to this day) Microcurrent/ with S21, now KMT22 or KT240 - 3-4 times weekly and more
Avoidance of Microwave, Electrosmog from TV, computer, shutdown fuses into sleeping areas during nights; all chemicals (house and garden) preservatives/food coloring, etc., cosmetics (major role). Control of geopathic stress exposure. With neurological damage, these are the most important issues, even more so when heavy metal toxic. Electromagnetism and geopathic stress are intolerable when heavy metal toxic. They become a killer to the brain. We eat all foods avoiding processed, preservatives and artifical anything. Everything in moderation, including coffee, sugar, etc.
********************* No, we are not wealthy. I worked all my life for over forty years. We raised children. My husband retired at age 70 when he contracted Lyme from me. We used our savings because Medicare neither pays for ART or anything else. We just did it and learned to do with less otherwise. We learned.
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My Goodness Gigi, you have tried everything! I don't even know what half of these therapies are. Boy I may have my work cut out for me if I am going to get rid of this horrid illness.
Thank you so much for sharing all of this information! I am glad you and husband are both doing well.
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Oxygenbabe, it was done to me during my very early stages of being ill and I vaguely remember the details. Drawing my own blood from one side of butt, ozonating it, and reinjecting it immediately into the other side. It is done once a week for a series of several - can't remember how many.
I suppose it is an immune stimulus and a homeopathic/nosode at the same time. It is quite common in Europe and books written about. In fact, Dr. K. at the time gave me one to read about the therapy - when I couldn't read a book nor one page for years. I will have to ask him for it.
Take care.
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