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What do one of these machines cost? Are they worth it? I hate to buy one and it not do a thing. Where do I shop for the cheapest price on one of these? My LLMD says not to waste my money but I am desperate I think I have done all I can do with the abx.
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SForsgren
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I use the GB4000 with amp. Runs about 2500. There are lots of options. Go to the Lyme and Rife group on yahoo where you will get lots of information if you signup.
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Duke, Joe Hams whole purpose on this board is to disrupt any discussion that appears on rife machines. His posts claims that rife users are having a placebo effect and tries to lead others to believe we(rife users) are mindless idiots.
Please be advised of this very important fact. Many rife users on this board will not discuss their success with rife due to his bashing of us.
Your doctor, like Joe Ham has an agenda. That is keep taking abx, come see me (dr & make me rich), and bash rife. They mustn't do anything to discredit anything that may do harm to the pharmacutical companies.
Take care, Pam
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I actually bought one, it ran about $2,200, I think. I would've done anything at that time in my recovery.
I did not, however, use it for very long. I do believe that Rife is worth a try.
How long have you been on abx? I was on many different antibiotics for over 36 months and am now experiencing a remission.
Hang in there, until you've done about three years worth, I'd say to continue...but, I am not a medical professional. After reading thousands of posts here over the past several years, the 3 years mark seems to be a marker for those who have stuck with it and taken abx throughout.
It's my understanding, from those who have done Rife, that the better results of doing Rife come when using Rife alone, without abx. However, I haven't kept up much this year and that may not be the case today.
Do a "rife" search, that little search button up near the top of this page and you'll get plenty of information on what's what with Rife.
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I have been on abx for about 22 months now. While I feel much better than I did 2 years ago I don't think in the last 20 months that I have made any real progress. I have tried about every combination of abx out there and been treated for coinfections as well. I have had one herx a few days after starting abx and that was it. While pulsing or taking a short break from abx I can't really tell a difference. Lately I think its getting worse not better.
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Duke, I am in the same position as you. Have done more than 20 months of abx...sometimes I was a bit better than baseline, sometimes I wasn't. I had a couple of herxes, mainly when I first started the abx, but the herxes were nowhere near as bad as you'd expect considering how disabled I am.
Another irritating thing was that a certain protocol would work for a while (i.e., make me a bit better); then it would stop working, and I'd be right back to baseline.
That's why I'm looking into rife, too.
One thing that seems to bother Joe Ham about rife is the lack of scientific studies supporting its effectiveness. But the truth is, there is very little data saying that abx work for chronic Lyme, either. The one published, placebo-controlled study we have on abx showed they were ineffective. OK, I know it was a crap study (by Klempner et al) with inappropriate abx and doses too low, but my point is that as of now, the only "proof" of abx effectiveness in chronic Lyme is user reports.
And for every person who has gotten better on abx, I can name another who has not gotten any better at all, or actually feels they would have been better off w/o abx. Until we have legitimate data--probably not until the Fallon/NIH studies come out--we simply do not know what percentage of Lyme pts have a good response to long-term abx. I love my LLMD to death, but I do think he has a tendency to take an overly rosy view of what abx do for his patients.
If user reports are to be accepted as a valid measure of antibiotics--in fact, the only measure we have--then they should be accepted as a valid measure of rife.
Rife seems to be like abx: it helps some, and doesn't help others. One interesting thing I've noted is that those who improve on rife talk about it in exactly the same way as those who improve on abx. The herxes sound the same; the sudden bursts of improvement sound the same; the plateaus are the same; even the time-frame of treatment is the same, several years. That says to me that rife and abx work in essentially the same way--by killing Bb.
There were enough positive user reports on abx that I thought they were worth trying. Now that abx have failed me, I feel there are enough positive user reports on rife to give it a try.
I hope it works for you.
Bec
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I bought my emem3d machine for 850 and have used it consistently for 6 months. I have also added antibiotics in for brief periods according to Bryan's book and did 14 weeks of salt/c with it.
I believe that you need to use more than one thing to beat this and my progression seems to be following the schedule outlined in the book. Back in May I thought I was dying and today I'm back working fulltime. Some days are still tough getting out of bed but they are getting to be less and less. All three treatments have helped but the only one I've done consistently every week is Rife.
I respect everyone's opinion and love to look at both sides but in the end, I always need to try it for myself and I'm very thankful I did. I also pray that it continues because this is one tough bug!
All My Best, Scott
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All lyme symptoms are Mg deficiency symptoms. I linked them, one by one in my "Long overdue" posts. This nutrient has taken a huge dive for PROTECTIVE reasons. It impacts many other nutrients as well.
Now...even WHEN the infection is gone...the symptoms and other problems will continue until the body has rebalanced.
This doesn't happen "overnight"!
My sis was on nonstop abx. (all of them and those for co-infections too) for 3 years.
Her symptoms continue (hands swollen, osteoporosis - significant). Is she still infected or her nutrient levels still way too low?
It is very important to get your mineral and heavy metal levels checked so you know exactly what is low and where to start to "rebuild", IMO.
There IS more than one way to eliminate this infection and heal. Nutrition is one, ozone saunas or far infrared saunas another, certain Rxs besides abx, etc.
It is important that you keep in mind healing is possible and never give up hope.
Others have gotten well...so can you!
P.S.
How to lyse a gram-negative bacteria (e.g. E. coli):
1. Add a chelating agent of divalent metals (e.g. EDTA) to disrupt outer membrane lipopolysaccharides
2. Add lysozyme to break up peptidoglycan layer
3. cell wall is now structurally weakened and cannot protect the protoplast from osmotic shock
4. osmotically shock the cell to disrupt protoplast and release cytoplasmic contents (i.e. high osmotic shock using sucrose solution; low osmotic shock using pure water),
5. or use mechanical shear/cavitation (French Press, Menton Gaulin press)
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Duke....Rife is worth a try. Mine only cost $440, but I had to wait 4 months for it. I'm feeling fine after being off abx for the past 2-3 months.
I was on abx for the better part of 5 yrs. Gag! My goal is to STAY off of them.
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I'm with Lymetoo on this one. My goal is to stay off abx forever, and rifing is helping me do that.
I also bought my rife from the same place at the same cost. Works great! Well worth it for me!
lifeline
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Lymetooo I know I am pestering you alot of questions but would love to know the model # and where you bought yours.
I am interested in trying rife.There are so many different kinds I am afriad of making a wrong purchase . And I do value your input because you have real staying power. Take care
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Rife is just 1 piece of the puzzle as Marnie is saying. Have been off abx for 2 3/4 years and controlling symptoms with rife techniques. Last year my son & I climbed Mt. Rainier, it must be doing some good!. That was after reaching a recovery plateau after being on abx for 2 years.
As far as rife goes. I have tested about 8 different machines. Radient devices like the doug coil, and plasma devices(EMEM, Raybeams, & Rife bare) seem to be safer for the long haul. Contact devices like the GB 4000 work great, but may cause some nerve damage over the long term there the cathode is is contact with the skin. Think about it, there is a lot of energy focused at the contacts points during a treatment.
Consequently, I am using contact devices less and radient devices more now. But credit my improvment to the B-3 and its successor GB-4000, contact devices.
Rife is just part of the program. Work on Diet, (no sugars) excercise ( increase oxygen levels), Increase Mg & B12 levels, knock out coinfections with abx if you haven't already, And if a good treatment with abx comes along, I will not hesitate to use it. The point is to get better, and rife is just one tool just like abx are.
WE are all practical people looking for the best solution, whatever works!
Hope this helps!
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quote:Originally posted by map1131: Your doctor, like Joe Ham has an agenda. That is keep taking abx, come see me (dr & make me rich), and bash rife. They mustn't do anything to discredit anything that may do harm to the pharmacutical companies.
I don't believe this is true. I watched a recent discussion of rife on one of the doctor's boards. They basically said, "Oh, yeah, rife, some of my patients tried it for a while years ago, but I don't hear much about it now." They were not bashing it, just saying they thought if it was really effective they would be hearing more about it from their patients.
Many of the Lyme docs would be HAPPY to find something that really works. Maybe some of them are making big bucks, but the ones I know personally are working their butts off trying to help their patients.
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Another piece of the puzzle:
We know Bb locks onto the heparin sulfate receptor and it looks like it may use fibrin to cloak.
This is curious:
"Magnesium may reduce insoluble fibrin levels by displacing calcium in the coagulation process.[8]
Moderate alcohol consumption may reduce levels of Factor VIII and fibrinogen, [9] whereas disease states and hypothalamic stimulation may elevate them.[10] Smoking increases both red cell mass and fibrinogen levels.
If this hypothesis is correct, the most effective approach to preventing and treating atherosclerosis may be measures that reduce viscosity and/or increase turbulence and mixing in the blood.
***Ultrasound, which inhibits coagulation, may offer an effective means of treatment as well as diagnosis.''
Now today...on Web Md (I subscribe...no cost) researchers used...get this...Viagra to help WOMEN with Raynaud's syndrome. Viagra was developed when scientists discovered it releases NO...nitric oxide...to dilate blood vessels.
That's what we need to happen. This is why ozone saunas work for lyme too. The NO release looks to trigger acetylcholine release.
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I agree it's going to take more than buying a rife machine to return to your pre-lyme health. These machines should be part of a program of detoxing, detoxing and some more detoxing.
In my story doing rife sessions for lyme with lyme freqs helped (there was improvement), BUT my real break through with my machine was when I used a muscle testing doctor to help me figure out what freqs MY body needed.
When I started rifing for other bacteria, viruses, protoza, parasites, etc, that's when the real signs of healing began.
Here's a few specifics....strep, staph, malaria, chlymidia, e-coli, parkison, tetnus (what animal had that insect that had bitten me been feeding on before me???)
I agree many of the lyme docs are working hard. I was a patient of Dr C in Missouri and he tried to help me. I would recommend him to anyone out there seeking help with lyme disease. He is not a gouging doctor. He truly wants his patients to fire him and get well. When I told him I bought a rife machine, his response was I've had several patients fire me after trying rife machines.
He cannot legally mention rife to patients because they are not FDA approved. Many rife users would not feel comfortable tell an MD they have gone to frequency machines for help. It would be a very special type doctor that you would relay that type info.
My GP knows I use a machine. Last month he told me keep using your machine, you're getting somewhere. GPs like that are rare. But he's the same GP that called it lyme disease 10 days after onset of lyme from hell symptoms.
So I certainly didn't intend to bash all doctors. I've just read to many horror stories on this site about docs. The reason I mentioned them with Joe Ham was my ideas on who Joe represents in his agenda.
I'm so pleased that so many of you using rife are coming out of the closet, so to speak. For anyone not improving with rife, there are many things to consider. Wrong machine, not detoxing, treating wrong illness at wrong time, not giving enough time to see results????????
Bryan's book certainly helps answer many rife questions.
Take care, Pam
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The Ondamed machines ARE approved and are very similar. Docs could "get away with" using them. They are a biofeedback system device.
Ondamed machines are "approved as non-invasive secondary therapeutic device by F.D.A. institutional review board for treatment of various disorders which alleviates pain, discomfort or general malaise."
Quotes from a phamphlet on Ondamed. And, yes, I have tried one. Quite amazing.
"Ondamed frequencies stimulate connective tissue." (Looks as though Bb is in the endothelial cells right next to the connective fat cells in order to get to the nutrients it wants.)
A LOT costlier for the units. About $25,000.00
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I prefer "Pulsed Electromagnetic Field" devices. They are sometimes considered to be Rife devices.
I have recently posted a picture on my web site showing how oxygen in water is attracted to a magnet. Many studies have shown the effectiveness of magnetic fields on arthritis and broken bones.
Some sell wimpy magnets, You need strong ones. Electromagnets are many times more powerfull than magnets. Some electromagnets can instantly stop the pain!
You can make your own device with a computer sound generator, a high power audio amplifier and a degaussing coil. I was able to get all the parts for free. However I did eventually buy some wire and made a higher power coil.
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On the issue of LLMDs and rife machines, I think it's true that they would mention them more if it weren't for the FDA approval problem. Lack of discussion doesn't mean LLMDs don't have positive opinions of rife.
Case in point: I always tape record my appointments w/ my LLMD so I have something to refer to later on. A while ago, when I wasn't getting better on abx, my LLMD said, "Turn that thing off." When I'd shut off the cassette recorder, he said, "You should get a rife machine." (He also mentioned some other alternative treatments such as homeopathy.)
And a few months later, when I asked him what his current opinion was of rife, he turned to the tape recorder and nodded silently yet vigorously. It was quite amusing. On the tape you can hear us laughing.
I just ordered my EMEM and can't wait to get it!
Bec
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Bec, may this be the beginning of healing for you. Patience my dear, patience.
Us old time rifers are hear to help.
Take care, Pam
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I say if you can afford rife get it, I would. I think it is a shame that everyone in this country has to gouge the hell out of people who are sick. It does not make sense that it is illegal to sell 2 gallons of water for $10.00 after a hurricane but it is fine to sell a machine that could help us for $25,000. Ok, so you can get a rife for $500.00 but it may cause nerve dammage. I bet all total none of these machines have more than $50.00 worth of parts and labor in them.
When you are sick you will do anything to get your life back, rife makers, LLMD's and all Dr's know this! The only Dr out there that wants you to fire them is one who has too many patients and all the money they can stand. I would have to say that my doc is doing very well, maybe he deserves it. I have yet to meet anybody that has been cured or in remmision under his care. Oh well!
Enough babbling, if you can afford try it. As bad as I hate to make another evil, rich SOB richer I would if I had the money cause lyme sucks!
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