I have not bought from them myself though so can't speak for them personally. Let me know how the 35% compares to the 3% (I've only til now used the 3% in my baths).
I found this too which might be helpful info from another post:
"try http://www.pintsize.com/awakenings. Legal shipper of 35% food grade hydrogen peroxide. Legal meaning certified to ship a hazmat material by Dept. of Transportation. Lots are not legal shippers of this product, if they are not charging a hazmat fee, UPS is $20.00, other carriers are more, and no 35% is legal to be shipped via the United State Postal Services, federal law.
There are strick guidelines to shipping 35% food grade. Legal % to ship is upto 7% which can go by any carrier."
Alison
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I have done them off antibiotics, and they really near killed me. My head started to burn inside, the body started to shake, I nearly died from this bath.
It was at this time that I knew that I had to go back on antibiotics, as the alternatives were not strong enough. I also felt that once on antibiotics, the adrenals were MUCH better, I could feel them getting better, not constantly stressed because the alternatives for me, were not strong enough to kill the lyme in me.
Now that I see this site, I am going to do a bath. I am in Canada and bought it wholesale from a man here somewhere. I dont know the name anymore, it was a long time ago. I bought it in huge bottles for the hot tub, but never used it.... so then did it orally and it did not do it for me, and then did the baths, and felt that this was the way to go, ON antibiotics.
So, I would def try them, they made me herx, and near killed me from it.
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Thanks for the info. Good stuff.
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I just read somewhere, and for the life of me can't remember if it was on here or Bryan's book or where, that a good way to use the peroxide is to soak in a hot bath, then stand up when the pores are open, spray the peroxide on you and wait a few minutes to allow it to penetrate the skin, then lightly rinse.
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Sandy--I saw that one too!
Only problem is last night the 4 year old started chaising the 8 year old with a bottle of peroxcide in a spray bottle--I'm herxing too bad to even go to see what damage has been done...
so keep those spray bottles up high!
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Another thing you can do is make the bath water as hot as you can stand and sit in it for about half an hour, letting the pores open, and *then* dumping the H2O2 in.
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if you have children you had better keep this, and, any percentage of h2o2 greater that 3% under lock and key!
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From what I've read, the 35% hydrogen peroxide is pretty caustic, and will burn your skin.
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Does anyone know if hydrogen peroxide has carcinogenic properties? I believe I heard this somewhere.
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When i used to do these baths under the direction of a naturopath, I used 6 bottles of 3% H202 in warm bath water for 30 minutes. That seemed to work really well and clear the brain fog...the baths did something the IV H2O2 didnt! Be careful everybody!
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I buy my 35% H202 from a local farmer who uses it to clean his milking supplies.
He sells it for $15 a gallon.
You might check out dairies, farmers, etc.
These baths make me herx, but on occasion I feel an increase in energy.
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at 35% concentration,h.p. is serious biz. while i've never handled this myself, i know that its extremely reactive, and within the elapsed time frame of an eyeblink,it reacts---instantaneously.
when handling 35% h.p., you need to be alert;using it requires your full, uninterrupted attention. when pouring/handling the bottle,you can not be lyme-clumsy, not rendered uncoordinated by lyme, not susceptible to startle reflex by noise, have children around you; you can not be lyme-confused.
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[QUOTE]Originally posted by karatelady: [qb] Scott,
I just read somewhere, and for the life of me can't remember if it was on here or Bryan's book or where, that a good way to use the peroxide is to soak in a hot bath, then stand up when the pores are open, spray the peroxide on you and wait a few minutes to allow it to penetrate the skin, then lightly rinse.
Have you heard of doing it that way?
Yes this is what I do and it works well. I keep a spray bottle on the tub filled with peroxide and use it all the time; I herx somewhat when I spray it. Lymelady
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Yes, I have heard of the spray method as well. Good info. Thx
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Has anyone tried the IV hydrogen peroxide tx? If so, what were results? Do docs prescribe? I read in Kevin Trudeaus new book about natural cures that this is effective for lyme. I have tried several things to no avail including Rocephin IV at a very high dose along with flagyl, ceftin, mepron, zith. and others. Now I am placed on disability from my job. I am no longer able to seek many other doctors, espcially far away or out of my insurance plan. There is one more doc who is a whole health practioner I am thinking of seeing who MAY be willing to do this, I haven't been yet..I was just curious if anyone had experience with this. Thanks, melinda
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Used all of a couple pint bottles in my bathtub way back when before I met Dr. K. Never did it again. It is not something I ever heard Dr. K. recommend or talk about.
Be careful. Your skin is a most delicate and efficient organ if treated right. The largest organ we have.
Sometimes the all-or-nothing approach is not the best.
Take care.
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Bb is H2O2 resistant...though other pathogens are NOT.
Documentation:
It appears that B burgdorferi may have its own approach to fighting back. John T. Skare, PhD,[11] of Texas A&M University Health Science Center, College Station, examined one such battle tactic Borrelia use against humans: resisting oxidative stress. (Oxidative stress is the use of hydrogen peroxide, superoxide, and other active oxygen radicals to kill invading organisms.) Dr. Skare's group has examined a gene called BB0647 to see what role it may play in resisting oxidative stress. Originally, this gene was thought to resemble a ferric uptake regulator, or Fur. Oddly enough, though, Borrelia don't require iron. This puzzling finding prompted Dr. Skare to search databases for genes that more closely resemble BB0647. He found that the most homologous gene is one that produces a peroxide regulatory protein, PerR. This protein controls the expression of catalases and peroxidases, enzymes that play a major role in defending cells against oxidative stress. To confirm these findings, Dr. Skare showed that B burgdorferi containing an active form of the BB0647 gene was indeed able to resist hydrogen peroxide, around 3000 times better than a strain containing a mutated form of the gene.
CONCLUSIONS: In patients with Erythema migrans, the decreased capability to reduce lipid superoxidants leads to maintaining a high concentration of membrane lipid peroxidation products.
PMID: 11687735
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Melindacf, I have used IV peroxide many times and found it to be most helpful. It gave me a 2 yr. remission many years ago, long before I was diagnosed with anything more than CFS and chem. sensitivities. More recently a wholistic dental surgeon administered it during and after my surgery. It is antibiotic, antiviral, antifungal, and therefore doesn't allow the yeast overgrowth that ABXs can cause.
I just learned today of an ILADS affiliated doc who uses H2O2 IV's and I'll probably end up going to him because of my extreme intolerance to ABX. H2O2 WILL cause herxing, so the dosage should be determined and monitored by a knowledgeable doc. And it is controversial, IMO because in a healthy person it may introduce too much O-2 into their system and can cause problems. O-2 balance can be tricky; too much is as problematic as too little. In may case, I always felt much better for about 6 hours after the I.V. It gave me a blessed window of time to catch up on tasks before the herxing set in.
I never had much success with the H202 baths, but I may not have poured enough of it into the bathwater. I'm gonna try again...and with the spray bottle, too.
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ONCE AGAIN...Bb IS H202 RESISTANT. It looks able to breakdown H2O2.
(But other pathogens are NOT and cannot!)
Here's the very latest proof...just off the wires: If you get stuck in the medical jargon, just scroll down to where I *** the information.
Mol Microbiol. 2006 Jan;59(2):475-86.
Borrelia burgdorferi bb0728 encodes a coenzyme A disulphide reductase whose function suggests a role in intracellular redox and the oxidative stress response.
Boylan JA, Hummel CS, Benoit S, Garcia-Lara J, Treglown-Downey J, Crane EJ 3rd, Gherardini FC.
Laboratory of Zoonotic Pathogens, Rocky Mountain Laboratories, National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases, National Institutes of Health, Hamilton, MT, USA.
The cellular responses of Borrelia burgdorferiTo reactive oxygen species (ROS) encountered during the different stages of its infective cycle are poorly understood. Few enzymes responsible for protecting proteins, DNA/RNA and lipids from damage by ROS have been identified and characterized. Data presented here suggest that bb0728 encodes an enzyme involved in this process. Biochemical analyses on purified recombinant BB0728 indicated that it functioned as a coenzyme A disulphide reductase (CoADR) (specific activity approximately 26 units per mg of protein). This enzyme was specific for coenzyme A (CoA) disulphide, required NADH and had no significant activity against other disulphides, such as oxidized glutathione or thioredoxin. The high intracellular concentration of reduced CoA (CoASH) in B. burgdorferi cells ( approximately 1 mM) and absence of glutathione suggest that CoA is the major low-molecular-weight thiol in this spirochete.
***Interestingly, CoASH was able to reduce H(2)O(2) and be regenerated by CoADR suggesting one role for the system may be to protect B. burgdorferi from ROS.***
Further, mobility-shift assays and transcriptional fusion data indicated that bb0728 was positively regulated by the Borrelia oxidative stress response regulator, BosR.
Taken together, these data suggest a role for BB0728 in intracellular redox and the oxidative stress response in B. burgdorferi.
PMID: 16390443
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