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Has anyone used either of these via IV and seen results either pos or neg?
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kgg
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Many people have good responses to Glutathione, especially IV. I did not, nor did my son. We did not know we had lyme at the time so maybe it caused a herx. But most people report improved energy and less brain fog.
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I had a number of these IV prior to being diagnosed with lyme. I also was very bunrt out from them. But then while doing my current program with my LLMD, nutritional support, you know the standard oils, b-vitimans, CoQ10 and so on, my resluts were pretty good. I cam to realize that I was going thought die off with the first docs IVs. My current LLmd and I came to the conclussion that my system did not have enough support to handle the die off with my first docs IVs. Now they are a life saver for me.
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I've been on IV Rocephin for 7 weeks (5 days/week) and IV glutathione for 4 weeks (other 2 days/week). I don't feel any different than before I started them. I have an appt. with my LLMD this afternoon so will see what he wants me to do now.
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Marnie
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FINALLY...someone has caught on!
Look closely at what Bb depletes...Mg, phosphorous, B vits...including the B vitamin, *choline!!!(These nutrients especially...the others spiral down too.)
Look at what Patricia Kane (Phd) is doing!!! How SHE is treating lyme patients.
Antioxidants (ALL of them!)...critical..
Restoring choline and phosphorous...critical...
Restoring other B vitamins (esp. B1+B6)...critical...
Restoring Mg levels...critical...
Keeping your gut healthy...critical...
Restore the balance. A body in balance has no disease. It IS possible. Very hard, but possible. Timing is KEY...SMALL doses often...keep the levels up for as many hours a day as possible.
Wow...if you can find a doc willing to give you IV doses of those nutrients...ongoing...GO FOR IT! It will "jumpstart" the rebalancing, IMO. Notice I said "jumpstart".
Antibiotics FURTHER deplete specific minerals and vitamins AND they destroy the friendly bacteria that MAKE many vitamins for us.
We need nutrients to make proteins, to make our enzymes, to make our neurotransmitters, to fight infections...
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"Choline works together with other methyl donors and helps the body conserve carnitine and folic acid."....hmm
and..
"The health of the membrane is synonymous with the health of the entire organism. Toxins have an affinity for fatty acids; they literally take up residence in the lipid environment and in so doing, weaken and disrupt. The probable result is early apoptosis, premature death of the cell. Generally, normal mitosis provides for new cellular growth to maintain the health of the body, i.e. the previous discussion on photo receptors. However, toxicity's affinity for lipids can easily redistribute toxins and diseased toxic lipids into the new growth. In a healthy state with adequate glutathione and ascorbate to bind the toxins before they take up new residence, the body can keep the bad guys under control. However, if defenses are weak, toxins can continually be redistributed and eventually hide in the CNS and bone where the regeneration process is at a slower pace. The goal of detoxification is to 1) encourage regrowth with a renewed effort at the correct balancing of the essential nutrients, with the exchange of high energy lipids (PUPA and HUP A) to fuel regeneration and the eventual detoxification process; and 2) at the correct time, the inclusion of the toxin removal specialists, ascorbate, chlorella, and if possible IV glutathione."......woah!
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This is from a post I did back in August on ALA, Glutathione, etc. I am quoting Dr. K.:
This is based on the fact that in his practice all patients need to be detoxed while they are being treated for the microbial infections. The treatment goes hand in hand: When you kill microbes, metals etc. start to be freed and are on the move. He was speaking at a recent seminar:
"As far as working with Glutathione, Dr. K. says at the seminar: " Glutathione alone is worthless as a detox agent. It does one thing very beautifully - it moves mercury from the inside of the cell to the outside of the cell. And if you only work with glutathione, what happens is -- you give the glutathione, the mercury moves outside the cell, and two hours later it moves back into the cell. The next day you come back with your glutathione, it moves outside the cell, in the afternoon it moves back into the cell. All day long. It is in the literature, if I get to it timewise. Very clear - nobody has ever shown it to me any different. When you hear people claim seeing all these wonderful detox things by just giving glutathione. It is not true, it is not happening. It is not in the literature - there is no science behind it.
But if you use glutathione and have another agent waiting that can grab it from here in the connective tissue and move it into the blood stream, then you got a winner. For that I still use DMPS, small amounts IV, 1.5cc/2cc. And if it tests well with ART, I use a little calcium EDTA, then I use IV Vitamin C which is superb to remove mercury from the bloodstream, from the kidneys, from the liver. So our detox is usually a sequence of phosopholipids. glutathione, little DMPS, little CalEDTA, then a blast of IV vit C 37.5g, run slowly ideally over three hours. Why: because the agents that you gave before trigger a release over three hours and you want to cover the patient during that time. This is a clean way of detoxing.
Once in a while you are going to see the same thing everybody else sees -- the kidney shuts down, patient calls the next day - their legs are swollen, their face is swollen. To anticipate that, we do Neural Therapy over the kidneys while they are under the IV and a little bit over the liver, and sometimes we do the Crown of Thorns with it to trigger more of a release."
A very good protocol is the"Phospholipid Exchange" consisting of Phospholipids (from German Pharmacy only) mixed with patient blood and followed immediately with Glutathione IV over two minutes. It is a great protocol for ALS, MS, Parkinsons symptoms. For ALS it has to be repeated several times a week for 8 weeks; then once a week for a year.
Phospholipid Exchange, a product combining several agents, detoxifies heavy metals, hydrocarbons and environmental toxins and substantially enhances cardiovascular and circulatory health. I think I have posted about this before.
Both of these programs are used by Dr. K. for his Lyme patients, and of course for most chronic disease patients.
A toxic body cannot heal.
Take care.
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"Conversely and as expected, glutathione content decreased and its ***redox state increased in adipose (my note: = fat) tissues*** of rats subjected to lipopolysaccharide-induced systemic oxidative stress.
In these in vivo models, oxidative stress and obesity thus had opposite effects on adipose tissue redox state.
Moreover, the increase in glutathione content and the decrease of its redox state by antioxidant treatment promoted in vitro the accumulation of triglycerides in preadipocytes.
Taken together and contrary to the emergent view, our results suggest that ***obesity is associated with an intracellular reduced redox state*** which promotes on its own the development of a deleterious proadipogenic process.
PMID: 1637763
Into pubmed ie., www.pubmed.com, type in the number above OR the words "glutathione antioxidant" to bring up other abstracts.
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Marnie, could you put your last post in words that I can understand and make sense of. I am not a biochemist nor do I want to be - I would only like to know what your info means in relation to my post on glutathione and the lipids, etc. and its application in Lyme disease (where heavy metals are always involved). Without any abbreviations if you can.
I would really, really like to be able to follow your thinking.
Take care.
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