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i know its always best to get a prescription from your doctor, to be monitored by a doc, but i have no choice but to find some meds on my own, since my doc is very closeminded, and doesnt let me try different things, and i know this is risky, but if any of you know of a reliable website to get morphine, or dilaudid, i know i have to be very careful, but my doc wont give me anything stronger than vicodin, and that isnt really helping, i am very careful, anyway, i also want to order mepron without a rx, so if someone could recommend a website, i would greatly appreciate it, thanks radha
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Something doesn't sound right to me about this approach. If you can afford Mepron without an RX (800 dollars a bottle maybe), then why not get another doctor and do this with medical supervision?
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I've had the Big Three--Lyme, bartonella, and babesia/malaria--and the best painkiller was Celebrex. Much of the pain these bugs cause is horrendous systemic inflammation. Your doctor should have no problem at all with this medication. If you can't afford it out of pocket right now, start by going to a health food store or Vitacost.com and getting bromelain, a cheaper anti-inflammatory.
If you have babesia, you must be on artemisinin supplements. There are many different strains, so response varies, but if you take 600mg/day for two weeks, you should get enough improvement to function and think more clearly.
I just spent the last month frantically researching babesia/malaria, because like many others here, I was relapsing days after stopping mepron. Since I'm about to start the drug combination that will probably work, it's too soon to recommend it, exactly. But it's legal, and here it is:
Mepron or malarone Primaquine Artemisinin supplements Ketek
Also, if your babesia/malaria variety is more in the malaria camp, doxycycline can be combined with primaquine.
If you get addicted to pain medication, your doctor will drop you, and you won't be able to hold down a job and pay for any of this.
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FYI........I ordered an antibiotic from one of those on-line pharmacies and I received a letter in the mail from the border patrol. They took it. It's illegal, I didn't know that.
Anyway, I don't think any of them sell narcotics. If they did and the border patrol found it you would probably be arrested.
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quote:Originally posted by SForsgren: Something doesn't sound right to me about this approach. If you can afford Mepron without an RX (800 dollars a bottle maybe), then why not get another doctor and do this with medical supervision?
Exactly
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don't let the name fool you they have some good drugs...I ordered Diflucan (had presctiption from doc, but, didn't need it to order) from them frequently. They do have a few types of antibiotics.
I've been ordering from them for years now and have never had a problem....of course, no narcotics. But, they do have HGH, the kind my LLMD prescribed, Saizen.
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There are many reasons for buying meds online - particularly for people like us and what we're up against in many cases. (Unresponsive doctors, insurance problems, etc.)
Example: My insurance co. will not pay for my malarone. The cost for one lousy tablet is $7.50. I found a site where I can get it for $4.50 a pill. I've ordered twice from them and so far, so good. Package comes from Vanuatu (wherever THAT is).
Another example: The co-pay on my Tindamax is something like $77.00. This is for 60 tablets. I found a place online selling it for $50-some dollars (I forget exact price), and that's for 100 tablets! It's supposed to arrive by registered mail in a few days. If anyone's interested, I'll post if I received it okay.
As far as morphine goes.....good luck. I've never seen something like that available online.
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thanks alot for your replies, my doc is just a family doc and doesnt feel comfortable trying different things that he isnt totally knowledgable about, and there is no chance of me getting addicted to pain meds since i only take when pain is unbearable, i actually take them too infrequently coz i dont like side effects, i cant travel to a lyme specialist so stuck with the doc i have, and he isnt very open minded, and thank God i do have money to buy these drugs, if any of you know of any other good websites, please let me know, thanks radha
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Radha: Why not TRY to heal yourself naturally with herbs. You do NOT need a prescription for them. And Devils Claw got rid of a lot of my headache, neck pain and joint and tendon pain in a very short order. I also took Smilax and cats claw shortly thereafter. My vision and brain fog also disappeared almost immediately.
I got some fish and bird abx on line. But don't think I would try for strong pain killers that way. I have some strong painkiller left over from my dental surgery last year, but won't use it unless it ever becomes absolutely necessary. AND IF the pain gets THAT bad, I will probably go see a doc anyway.
I only use my local duck too; but he does and I would imagine yours knows what morphine is. They may not prescribe it though, knowing how addictive it can be.
WHAT are you doing for your Lyme Disease right now as far as treatment goes?
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I would imagine there is an LLMD in New York. You could post in the "finding a doctor" section and see.
If you have to have pain meds, about the only type of doctor that will give you good ones is at a pain clinic. Your family doc can refer you. Pain drugs are certainly nice to have for emergencies, but from my experience, they sure aren't the answer.
You do need to be careful with Vicodin. It contains a lot of tylenol. Back when I had gone to a pain clinic, the doc there told me that many people arrived at his clinic after they had taken so much vicodin that it had devastated their livers. Tylenol does that.
I hope you can find an LLMD close to you and someone can help you get there. You really want to solve the problem instead of just trying to mask it. At least for the long term.
quote:Originally posted by Radha: thanks alot for your replies, my doc is just a family doc and doesnt feel comfortable trying different things that he isnt totally knowledgable about, and there is no chance of me getting addicted to pain meds since i only take when pain is unbearable, i actually take them too infrequently coz i dont like side effects, i cant travel to a lyme specialist so stuck with the doc i have, and he isnt very open minded, and thank God i do have money to buy these drugs, if any of you know of any other good websites, please let me know, thanks radha
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Self medicating with these sorts of drugs is a big mistake in my opinion. Some of the reasons why are listed in the posts above. It's just plain dangerous and foolish.
The class of narcotics that you are seeking cannot be ordered on the internet> well, they can, but you won't receive them and your money will be gone. Customs will take them and send you a nasty letter suggesting that you are importing them for sale. All international mail from then on is subject to search as well as you on international travel.
Go to a pain management specialist. Find your local fibro, CFS internet group or support group and ask them who they would recommend for pain management.
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Cannabis is a wonder drug for many. Much better and safer than morphine. Thank god states are beginning to legalize it. Something else to try is amitriptyline. It's a SSRI so it should be easier to buy on the net. I found it very helpful for pain management. good luck
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i cant travel at all, i am totally bedridden, otherwise i would gladly go to a pain clinic or LLMD, and i do take the anti inflammatories like celebrex, but they dont give much relief for the burning deep bone pain, i am very careful with how often and how much vicodin or ultram, or darvocet i take, never take them all at once, or even on same day! but some days even these drugs dont help, thats why i was looking for something stronger like morphine, anyway, thanks for all your replies, and if anyone knows where i can get mepron, please let me know, my doc has already prescribed doxy and mino, and they give too strong a herx, even samento i cant tolerate, thanks radha
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Get someone to take you to a Lyme doctor. Your chances of getting well by guessing what meds you need without appropriate tests and medical supervision are really questionable. Heal yourself using the enlightenment that diagnostic testing and medical consultation can provide you.
This is not a "do it yourself" disease...
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I agree with all who think self-treatment is a dangerous mission. This is a very difficult disease to conquer. Abx are powerful drugs with dangerous side effects. Abx purchased online at reduced cost sound exceptionally dangerous to me. Who is regulating them to be sure you get what is promised?
They say the person who represents himself in court has a fool for a client. How much more so when dealing with a serious disease?
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my doc has given up on trying things, since i had to stop so many other antibiotics, coz of too strong a herx, so now i have no choice but to take matters into my hands and do what i can since i cant travel now, thanks for all your concern, i know what is wrong, but its in my hands to find treatment, since my doc doesnt agree to stuff that easily, thanks again radha
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I guess I don't get it. You can go to your duck doctor, but you can't go to an LLMD? Maybe there is one very close to you. Why don't you check?
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Teques: I THINK she is insinuating that she is contacting him by phone, and of course couldn't do that with a NEW doc, LLMD or not.
I DO agree that she and we ALL should take things into our own hands. IT is OUR lives we are playing with here. WHY should doctors, or so called doctors be the only ones to "play" with them. Plus they are sticking it to us while they are. SOME are honest and sincere, but MOST are not.
AND some of us have a choice. Sit and suffer, die, OR at least TRY to get some help WE can scrounge up the money for.
SOME of us have had to really sacrifice JUST to be able to get some herbs and/or abx, just to feel better. AND some of us really do feel better now. Some have been going to docs for years and are still complaining HOW BAD they feel, even after spending THOUSANDS of dollars.
Even Dr. K. ADMITS HE doesn't understand most of the disease.
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Radha,
Sigh....This is a tough disease that does not have one simple protocol to follow. How nice it would be if it did.
Good luck. Don't let us run you off with our well-intentioned advice.
But please don't self treat with drugs. Just because American companies produce them and FDA approves them, does not mean they are safe. This is also true of some supplements. Some are harmless and some can kill.
Both can cure when used appropriately, but someone with extensive training needs to be overseeing their use.
A good doctor will be well worth the money spent and will probably save you money in the long run.
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have you ever tried the duagesic patch ? it contain's fentanyl.
they come in differant strength's .( 25mcg , 50mcg and so on ) i have been using them for over a year now...but i take them for more than just lyme arthritis.
talk this over with your gp .they do work.....gary
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Possibly because I choose not to PLAY with my life. LLMD's have a lot of experience TREATING lyme disease and have read more than 1 book on herbs.
quote:Originally posted by JimBoB: Teques: I THINK she is insinuating that she is contacting him by phone, and of course couldn't do that with a NEW doc, LLMD or not.
I DO agree that she and we ALL should take things into our own hands. IT is OUR lives we are playing with here. WHY should doctors, or so called doctors be the only ones to "play" with them. Plus they are sticking it to us while they are. SOME are honest and sincere, but MOST are not.
AND some of us have a choice. Sit and suffer, die, OR at least TRY to get some help WE can scrounge up the money for.
SOME of us have had to really sacrifice JUST to be able to get some herbs and/or abx, just to feel better. AND some of us really do feel better now. Some have been going to docs for years and are still complaining HOW BAD they feel, even after spending THOUSANDS of dollars.
Even Dr. K. ADMITS HE doesn't understand most of the disease.
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my general doc makes house calls on a very rare occassion, so that is why i put up with him, and i have checked, there isnt any LLMD closeby, and definately not one will come to my home! i appreciate all your advice, but unless you are in my situation i dont think it is right to judge me, i am not self treating, i know what is wrong, just want to try different things and hope something helps and doesnt make me feel worse, as so many things have done in past, thanks again for your concern and for replying, radha
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May I respectfully say......utter hogwash?
You want info about ordering morphine online? You can afford Mepron, but can't afford to go to an LLMD?
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Radha, I sure understand feeling really bad. Many times, I've had to use a wheelchair in the airport when I traveled. A lot of those times in the past, I had to take pain meds to make it through.
Are you completely bed bound? What are your symptoms?
I'm not making a judgement of your situation. We just want to help you. Could you help us understand what is going on a little better?
quote:Originally posted by Radha: my general doc makes house calls on a very rare occassion, so that is why i put up with him, and i have checked, there isnt any LLMD closeby, and definately not one will come to my home! i appreciate all your advice, but unless you are in my situation i dont think it is right to judge me, i am not self treating, i know what is wrong, just want to try different things and hope something helps and doesnt make me feel worse, as so many things have done in past, thanks again for your concern and for replying, radha
I sure HOPE the LLMDs have read more than one book. Just as I also have, read and read and read. AND studied, studied, studied. But they pretty much are in doubt about what to really do, as NO ONE really has a handle on this disease, YET.
We are ALL playing, everyday, with our lives. Like it or not. A serious game, yes, but a game nevertheless. We just HOPE we make the right moves.
BUT I am also doing something about WHAT I have read. I am doing WHAT I CAN DO FOR ME! NOT you, not anyone else. JUST me. SO FAR I am very pleased with what I have done. Hopefully in the future I won't have to eat those words, but for now I have not.
WHAT I was getting at, and YOU seemed to have missed, is that I personally DO NOT have money for LLMD's, nor insurance for one, nor a rich uncle to pay for one. PERIOD.
SO, are YOU saying I and anyone else who either can't get to one, or afford one; should just sit here, suffer, maybe die, RATHER than take some kind of educated guesses AND action, JUST because we cannot come up with enough money for an LLMD, who may or may not help us for hundreds of dollars IF we could come up with it?
YOU have a right to YOUR opinion, just like I and all the rest on this group do. BUT neither YOU nor I have the right to DICTATE to ANYONE here or anyplace WHAT they can and canNOT do!!!
YOU get helped in YOUR way, and I will get help in MY way. BOTH may or may NOT work, but only trying and doing will tell in time. Just remember, talk is cheap, action DOES speak louder than words.
I personally felt like I was going to die at any minute two months ago. TONIGHT as I write this, I do not feel that way. I have hope now. I personally want to CONTINUE to feel that way. I don't need someone to try to make me feel guilty because I took an action that I was capable of doing.
You obviously do not have to survive on $555 a month for everything, having NO insurance or other medical either. And when I say NO insurance, I mean NO insurance. NO medical Insurance, NO life insurance, NO car insurance, NO house insurance, Nada. NONE!
Therefore, I HAVE to be creative, as do many others on this list and in the rest of life. And, guess what? SO far I have done it for over 64 years.
I never dictated what someone should do. Perhaps you should look at yourself in the mirror.
I am glad that Buhner's book works for you. However, that doesn't necessarily mean that it will work for everyone. I still believe that if people have the means at all they should have an LLMD directing their care. If you don't want to do that, fine, but to infer to new people that it's ok, just follow Buhner's book, is a little presumptuous and dangerous, IMO.
You appear to have an issue with LLMDs. I don't know exactly why. Were you mis-treated by one?
Yes, I agree that LLMDs don't appear to have the defacto answer to all cases of lyme disease. However, they do have the benefit of a medical degree or 2 and have the ability to do a lot of testing to find out what is wrong with us individually.
According to my LLMD, there appears to be a lot of other factors that one has to address, besides Borrelia, if one is to get well, or be able to sufficiently eradicate the bacteria. For example, heavy metals and dental infections. These are issues that I don't believe Buhner addresses in his book. My copy has not arrived yet from Amazon, so please correct me if I am wrong.
I am sorry you have to exist on $555/month. That would indeed be difficult. I am not there, yet, but certainly heading in that direction.
I certainly understand why you are unable to afford a doctor, JimBob. It seems that you try to direct others away from them too.
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I sure HOPE the LLMDs have read more than one book. Just as I also have, read and read and read. AND studied, studied, studied. But they pretty much are in doubt about what to really do, as NO ONE really has a handle on this disease, YET.
We are ALL playing, everyday, with our lives. Like it or not. A serious game, yes, but a game nevertheless. We just HOPE we make the right moves.
BUT I am also doing something about WHAT I have read. I am doing WHAT I CAN DO FOR ME! NOT you, not anyone else. JUST me. SO FAR I am very pleased with what I have done. Hopefully in the future I won't have to eat those words, but for now I have not.
WHAT I was getting at, and YOU seemed to have missed, is that I personally DO NOT have money for LLMD's, nor insurance for one, nor a rich uncle to pay for one. PERIOD.
SO, are YOU saying I and anyone else who either can't get to one, or afford one; should just sit here, suffer, maybe die, RATHER than take some kind of educated guesses AND action, JUST because we cannot come up with enough money for an LLMD, who may or may not help us for hundreds of dollars IF we could come up with it?
YOU have a right to YOUR opinion, just like I and all the rest on this group do. BUT neither YOU nor I have the right to DICTATE to ANYONE here or anyplace WHAT they can and canNOT do!!!
YOU get helped in YOUR way, and I will get help in MY way. BOTH may or may NOT work, but only trying and doing will tell in time. Just remember, talk is cheap, action DOES speak louder than words.
I personally felt like I was going to die at any minute two months ago. TONIGHT as I write this, I do not feel that way. I have hope now. I personally want to CONTINUE to feel that way. I don't need someone to try to make me feel guilty because I took an action that I was capable of doing.
You obviously do not have to survive on $555 a month for everything, having NO insurance or other medical either. And when I say NO insurance, I mean NO insurance. NO medical Insurance, NO life insurance, NO car insurance, NO house insurance, Nada. NONE!
Therefore, I HAVE to be creative, as do many others on this list and in the rest of life. And, guess what? SO far I have done it for over 64 years.
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JimBob,
What about medicaid?
Of course, most alternative treatment will not be covered.
I agree with Teques we should not steer people away from LLMDs and I am not a proponent of self-treatment of any kind. But I do understand that if you don't have the money, you just don't and then self-treating becomes your only avenue. I think the Stephen Buhner book is very helpful and I am glad it is working well for you.
I have never personally encountered the problems with doctors that others have. 10 yrs ago, when I was sick the first time, I didn't know what was wrong. I went to my GP where my complaints were taken seriously. Even in 1995, my simple family doctor new the ELISA test was unreliable. He took the test but didn't even wait for the results before giving me doxycyline. The test was negative as were all the other scary tests they ran, but for 6 mths they threw round upon round of antibiotics at me until I got well. Never did they act like it was in my head and I just love them for that.
10 yrs later, a chiropractor was so concerned at the migratory joint pain her treatments were initiating, she consulted with fellow practioners until she found my wonderful LLMD, Dr S. She took me seriously. He took me seriously. I'm thrilled at the recovery I am making so far using homeopathy and I do not believe it would be so if not for his knowledge.
This board should be about sharing all information of treatments that help people and about supporting each other and not a battlefield for whose method works and whose does not.
With that in mind, JimBob, I thank you again for your posts about the Healing Lyme book and how much it is helping you. Your posts are the sole reason I purchased this very informative book.
Luvs (so glad to be riding my horse again)
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NO Teaques lady, I did NOT say I have issues with LLMD's. Because I don't. I do have issues with what many of them are doing though. Like copying what some others are doing. Even that wouldn't bother me too much IF they didn't charge an arm and a leg for it.
And YOU said it yourself: THEY are able to do TESTING. Yes, and the testing is done on YOU. Yah, and YOU are paying for it. IF that is what YOU like to do, go for it. Maybe money is of no object to you. To me it is. When you don't have a lot of something, it becomes a bigger issue than if you have lots of it. It kind of irks me, that THEY should be able to charge huge sums for playing with our systems, feeling it out as it were. Many of them know very little. Some I am finding out know quite a lot. PROBABLY because they really care about people and their patients. Some are in it strictly for the money. Some are in it for both.
There will always be leaders and followers. And there will always be those that look for a better way. Some will find it, many won't.
I also NEVER said to JUST follow Buhner's book. IF I did, you show me! But I don't think so. Even HE does not say so. WHEN you read the book, then you will see WHAT HE says. And remember HE is the Master Herbalist, not me.
I am a Master of Photography, and Master Artist, and a Doctor of Motors; NOT a Master Herbalist OR MD. I only state WHAT has worked so far for me, and state MO as to what MOST can expect IF they try it too. AND a lot of people need it from what I have read so far. Antibiotics do NOT do it alone, for MOST people.
And NO I do NOT try to direct others away from doctors. THAT is their decision and perogative. Like I said: I am just trying to let people know that there ARE other options out there, GOOD options that give hope. There are many here that have spent months, even YEARS on antibiotics and are STILL suffering. THAT is a travesty.
I did not make enough money in the last couple of years before I retired in 2003, so do NOT qualify for medicaid. OR any kind of disability. Even IF I did, they would most likely NOT cover any LLMD or months of meds and/or herbs, etc..
I am NOT directing OTHERS to NOT use a doctor, only I don't like it when someone says it is DANGEROUS or uses other scare tactics on people to keep them from helping themselves FEEL BETTER. THAT is the reason we HAVE such an ignorant society.
I am super glad for you, that you had great doctors and could afford them. I sure wish that ALL of us could have that. I would welcome it, but after butting my head against the brick walls for a few months, I said the hell with it, and took it upon myself to get something done. AND am very happy that I did. THAT is all I am saying. IF NO ONE follows suit, that is okay with me. I won't understand it, but that is okay if THEY choose to do so. BUT I think it should be THEIR choice, not ours. Don't you agree?
Besides JUST because some one on this board decides that it is dangerous to think for yourself, does NOT mean it is. Correct?
Again, GLAD YOU are feeling better. I will have to tell my wife you are a rider. SHE owned, trained and rode horses for years before I met here in pro competition.
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Boomerang, I agree with you....there is a lack of logic here, and me thinks I smell a troll. Klutzo
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JimBob,
I agree with you completely.
Luvs
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Originally posted by JimBoB: "NO Teaques lady, I did NOT say I have issues with LLMD's. Because I don't. I do have issues with what many of them are doing though. Like copying what some others are doing. Even that wouldn't bother me too much IF they didn't charge an arm and a leg for it."
I am glad they "copy" from doctors and researchers when something is found to work.
"And YOU said it yourself: THEY are able to do TESTING. Yes, and the testing is done on YOU. Yah, and YOU are paying for it. IF that is what YOU like to do, go for it."
I don't like any of this lyme crap, JimBob. And you have the choice, as does everyone, to do what they want. My only issue was your apparent insistence on Buhner's book as the way, the truth, and the light. It also appeared that you were advising new people away from doctors. You sure put down Dr. K long enough, until you took the time to read some of his stuff and started to realize how good he is.
"Maybe money is of no object to you. To me it is. When you don't have a lot of something, it becomes a bigger issue than if you have lots of it. It kind of irks me, that THEY should be able to charge huge sums for playing with our systems, feeling it out as it were. Many of them know very little. Some I am finding out know quite a lot. PROBABLY because they really care about people and their patients. Some are in it strictly for the money. Some are in it for both."
I think money is an object for us all. I haven't worked for 4 years because of this, so clearly it is to me.
I agree with your general statement about doctors. Especially, when it comes to duck doctors.
"There will always be leaders and followers. And there will always be those that look for a better way. Some will find it, many won't."
Not sure what your intent was here with this statement. But, clearly there are a lot of things to learn from this disease and there is no ONE way.
"I also NEVER said to JUST follow Buhner's book. IF I did, you show me! But I don't think so. Even HE does not say so. WHEN you read the book, then you will see WHAT HE says. And remember HE is the Master Herbalist, not me."
Yes, I remember. I've only seen you refer to his book. Have you referenced something else?
"I am a Master of Photography, and Master Artist, and a Doctor of Motors; NOT a Master Herbalist OR MD. I only state WHAT has worked so far for me, and state MO as to what MOST can expect IF they try it too. AND a lot of people need it from what I have read so far. Antibiotics do NOT do it alone, for MOST people."
Agreed and not all LLMDs treat with antibiotics alone.
"And NO I do NOT try to direct others away from doctors. THAT is their decision and perogative. Like I said: I am just trying to let people know that there ARE other options out there, GOOD options that give hope. There are many here that have spent months, even YEARS on antibiotics and are STILL suffering. THAT is a travesty."
Agreed.
Peace, ok?
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i am totally bedridden right now, and i never said i couldnt affort a LLMD, i said i couldnt travel at all, thats why i cant go right now to a LLMD, and i have POTS and low blood volume and low blood pressure and adrenal insufficiency, and viruses and who knows what else, i just wanted to know if any of u knew of a website where i could get codeine or morphine, i didnt mean to start a whole argument, or to be judged or criticized, i know you all mean well, but i think you should reserve judgementa and harsh comments, thanks radha
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Teaques Lady: I have not referenced others books, because there are no others, at least not recent ones that have GOOD answers in them that I can see. I DID refer to Dr K. AND Dr. B, maybe not on THIS thread, but on another.
I did not Knock down Dr. K, I just questioned WHO he was and WHERE he got his info from and HIS credentials. AND, by my asking, I found out. He appears to be a good LLMD, but as far as what will help me, I will still take Buhners Protocol, theories, AND researches and reasonings. THEY work, they are affordable, and as far as I know, he doesn't gain anything from selling this or that, only the sale of his book which, I and the many who have ordered it and read it from what they have written to me in PM's, find VERY informative and HELPFUL in relieving our symptoms, and hopefully will rid us of this dreaded disease.
Some WILL take longer than others, and maybe some won't even respond, but from what I have seen so far, I think many to most will.
NO, I do NOT think BUHNER and HIS book is the way, the truth and the life. THAT is reserved for Christ, the Bible and His Father, Jah.
I am talking about THIS life or lack of it because of this stupid Lyme disease, a product of THIS system, not the next system. Just trying to survive with a little happiness in THIS system right now.
I never said ALL LLMD's use only antibiotics. I also DID say, that SOME are good. But many just follow the crowd, just like the other ducks.
Glad you agree with at least some of the stuff. I don't want to fight, but I am NOT going to sit by and let others knock something they have not even tried and given a fair shake, especially when I have and it is working quite well so far.
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