quote:Originally posted by Healing in Santa Cruz: If you have silver colored fillings, you probably have mercury.
ditto....I don't think any "silver" fillings are without mercury.
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JimBoB
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Okay, thanks folks.
I guess that will make it easier for me to decide IF I want to get the rest of my molars pulled and get false teeth.
MOST of My front teeth SEEM okay, but I really probably won't be able to come up with the money for a partial, so will have to get them ALL pulled, I guess.
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Gold,composite,synthethic should ALL be tested. Vega,Art,or other means. All very expensive,sorry to say.
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Go to the www.MELISA.org (or .com) site and read up on the different metals, and the testing for metals and materials to be put in the mouth. At least read the info.
Gold is the third most allergenic material.
Depending on the state of health of your teeth, you can have a variety of carbon based materials tested before you have anything installed. Some people are worse after removal because they put materials in the body can't handle; for many it is the glue used to fasten the replacements.
A partial to hold a missing tooth or missing teeth I would choose any day before I have other teeth ground down to hold bridges, etc. The stress on the tooth often kills the tooth next in line, and it goes on and on. Inform yourself and find the dentist who himself is not mercury toxic and have lost their thinking abilities. Most dentists are toxic and sick; so are many people that work in their offices. Even the dental assistants are known for that. They live with the constant mercury exposure; often are not aware of it, or are in total denial of anything relating to toxicity of mercury in the mouth or in the surrounding. The mercury can be located by testing in many dental offices that are unprotected.
First it's an amalgam filling; then it's a larger amalgam filling; then it's a crown: then it's a root canal: and what then????? With a root canal you are looking at one of the most terrible neurotoxins ever - thioethers and mercaptans. They hit your brain and every part of your body - and that's when life really starts to be a problem, especially when you are dealing with microbial infections such as Lyme, etc.
Learn all you can - that's all I want to tell you.
The teeth brought me close to death's door - I don't advocate removing teeth. But a dead tooth cannot be brought back to life. So find the soundest way to fill the gap without stressing the teeth that remain well.
Take care.
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even if you are not allergic to gold itself, it is not used pure as a filling material, it is mixed with other materials. Different manufacturers use different mixes for gold, ceramic and composite materials.
You can get a blood test done which will screen you for your own individual alleries/sensitivities. It costs around $100 and they give you a real nice report, which besides telling you which materials you are allergic to gives a whole list of all the common filling mixtures by brand name, and if it is ok or not for you. That way you can check with your dentist and find our which brands he uses, and let him know which is ok to use for you.
I dont remember the name of the company which does this test, but if you call Dr. Biles, in Santa Cruz, california, that office can tell you. I got the lab kit from them when I was not a patient there. So, I am not advocating using this dr, cause I dont know if that is ok to do here, I am letting you know his office can tell you how to get this test done.
I want to echo the sentiment that you should try and keep your teeth. It is the best thing for your health. And, it is expensive, I know. I am very in dept over teeth work. But, my old failing filling had decay under them, caused me pain, etc... besides having mercury in them. Fillings need to be replaced, more tooth taken out each time. My new partial crowns will last, my gums are getting better, cause Im not allergic to them, etc...
I would not like to think about chemical glues and cleaners for dentures. And also, dentures cause gum and bone problems because they are an artificial non permeable barrier on top of your sensitive skin (your gums).
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JimBoB
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Thanks all for info.
I used to have very strong teeth. BUT NOW they are literally falling apart. I unfortunately I started drinking lots of diet sodas after I had my illeostomy in '94. As I was getting dehydrated so easy. AND was getting sick of water and gatorade.
I found out too late that the asparteme and phospheric acid are bad for us, our bones and teeth. My teeth just started disintegrating.
I did not, and do not have the money for crowns, etc., nor continual fixing anymore, so have elected to let them go till the pain gets bad enough and have them pulled, or like the last one surgicly removed because I waited TOO long and it was too weak on top, plus super strong twisted roots so he could hardly get it out. Cost $175 instead of usual $75. Took me over 6 months to pay it off. So now I can get another one pulled. Need about 5 more pulled. Had one with root canal pulled as it had broken off so much.
I have one root canal and post in front. The rest of my front teeth are holding up pretty well, but it costs so much for partials, that I think I will probably be better off in the long run just to have them all pulled and get a plate. Just MO.
Didn't want to rush it, as have had these teeth a long time, over 50 years, and have grown attached to them. OR is it the other way around?
But IF the mercury in them is bad for my system, WHY keep them. UNLESS the glues and plastics of the plates are WORSE?!?!?!
My mother got plates at about 28 years old. AND she had no trouble for the most part over the years till she passed on at age 85. My dad got some later in life and couldn't stand them so went toothless most of the time and "gummed" his food.
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If you are referring to the Clifford testing for dental materials, it is per my doctor not satisfactory and dependable. I would not take a chance with it.
MELISA testing is accurate and gives the best indication of what materials you can comfortably live with and do not destroy your health.
You are much better off if you can do it safely to save two good teeth, especially at the bottom, than having none at the bottom at all. It is very difficult to get a well fitting denture if all teeth at the bottom are gone.
On the other hand I would never again "save these teeth under all conditions". Usually people that lose their teeth earlier have no problem whatsoever with dentures. It's the older ones that have already lost a lot of their bone to infection, etc. that have to pay for it with "gumming" their food, mostly because dentists just do not have the know-how to make a denture to hold.
The upper is no problem and stays put - there it is merely a matter of cosmetics to get your old look back.
If you are already on the edge of losing all teeth, the sooner you do it the better. As long as you still have some jawbone left to hold your dentures. The more time you let pass and the more bone you lose to infection, the less ridge you have left after the junk is all removed. It is not just merely pulling a tooth, but cleaning the stuff out. If you don't, the microbes and Lyme will stay in your jawbone/face/brain. The only way is to clear the decay and infection out and the bugs will finally retreat.
I have done it all. Denture making in this country is a disaster. I have yet to find one anywhere in this country. After five sets of dentures I went to Germany and had one made by a good denture maker or denturist. Dentists are usually lousy in this art. I got a denture there that is superb, I do not need any of that junk to hold them in that would later glue my intestines together. They stay and feel totally like my own teeth. They also look great.
When I was referring to glue in another post, it is often the glue used, similar to super glue, to cement the crowns onto the tooth. That cement is a killer for some people and an allergen. I have a good friend who had all crowns done in this manner, went downhill so fast, all crowns had to be redone. Imagine the cost and the stress it causes those already semi-dead nerves in these teeth!!!
Also, the pinkish material used in this country for dentures and partials is colored pink with mercury. So you get rid of one load and get yourself another load of the same toxin. Manufacturing and use of such material is against the law in Germany and probably all of Europe.
All I can say - watch out for these traps. Most dentists do the same old thing - the stuff they got us into trouble with in the first place.
Take care.
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first 24kt gold fillings can be placed in smaller decayed areas. this is 100% gold and nothing else . they are called gold foils and are a lost art. nobody does them any more except in california. the gold is heated to remove the wax coating then cooled and pounded into the tooth. 24 kt gold welds to itself and makes a great filling. ihad a patient with a gold filling put in in 1909 and she was over 100 and the filling looked brand new.
second- the material used for dentures both teeth and pink base are made from methyl methacrelate acrylic which is a known carcinogen and is extremely toxic and allergic if not cured properly. my choice for dentue material would be porcelain teeth with injection vinyl and the denture base. this methyl methacrelate is also the same material used by most dentures in the country for use as a tempporary awaiting for the permanent crown. also this toxic material is the same material used in artificial finger nails and orthopedic surgeons use it to cement titanium implants in the body ie. hip replacement. so there are much higher risks getting dentures than keeping your own teeth. and women and some men don't be vain and have artificial nails placed, grow your own orleave them short.
next composite. bis-gma is a polmer of liquid and powder that is mixed as a paste and used as composite fillings. this procedure must be done with a rubber dam as no water can contaminate the tooth during placement. it must be cured with 1mm increments to fully cure the material, and must be built up in may layers, each must stay meticuluosly dry for the next layer. the bis-gma material, like methyl methacrelate is toxic to the body and the nerve of the tooth ,and a liner must be placed prior to placing the composite.
ANY UNCURED MONOMER FROM ANY ACRYLIC BASED MATERIAL IS TOXIC AND NOT NOT BIOCOMPATIBLE.
AS FOR ME I HAVE BEEN TESTED NEGATIVE FOR MERCURY WHICH LEADS ME TO BELIEVE THERE ARE MANY FALSE POSITIVE FOR THIS TEST, SINCE I USED TO SQUEEZE THE MERCURY IN MY HAND YEARS AGO PRIOR TO PRESEALED CAPSULES. IF ANYBODY SHOULD BE POSITIVE FOR MERCURY IT SHOULD BE ME AND ALL THE OTHER DENTISTS THAT HAVE BEEN PRACTICING FOR 20 OR MORE YEARS.
I still have many amalgams, crowns , and root canals thatfor all intensive purposes are working and not causing me any problems.i have been sick for 13 years, 7 undiagnosed, 6 treated, and have my good and bad days.
The machine that tests forcavitations has been under great scrutiny by the FDA for many false positives. also the testing for mercury using chelating agents prior to the test gives many false positives because it takes all of the mercury out of the body
Scientific Health Solutions, Inc 1621 North Circle Drive Colorado Springs, CO 80909 719-548-1600
A serum sample is collected and sent in. You will be provided with a list of materials that you are reactive to and also the dental materials by brand name that have your reactive materials in them.
For blood and hair analysis for mercury and other toxins:
I have abnormally low levels of mercury on my tests which indicate that my body _retains_ the mercury, making me mercury toxic.
These are pricey tests. And, for a comprehensive understanding of all dental toxin issues, I recommend reading "Solving the MS Mystery," by Hal A. Huggins. Available at:
It has the Protocol for removal, as well as years of researching de-tox methods, and all else related. Plus, Dr. Huggins has MS himself. I was so glad that I invested in this book as it has given me something to measure all info on these topics against by someone who pioneered/is pioneering much of it.
I am new here, but I see that there is such a wealth of good info on this forum. E.g. GiGi seems to have a most excellent understanding of these issues and good recommendations such as, MELISA.
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Good advice on the acrylics. Yes, I was warned that any material that isn't clear, but pink, is cured with mercury.
In fact, my Compatibility test saved me, again, just last month when I had an NTI device made for my TMJ.
My dentist routinely used Snap, but I begged him to check my test before he began. Sure enough, it was on my highly reactive list. So he had to use Jet, instead. He was quite surprised being the non-toxic, mercury-free practioner that he tries so hard to be.
Lynn_B
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