Topic: Broken tooth/filling, have to make decision
dontlikeliver
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As there is a crack now between my crown and tooth (like in the seam between filling/crown and tooth) - I have to now make a decision which way to go with this IF they say I need a new crown, new filling, or rootcanal, etc.
I've never had a root canal and do not want one. I am not even sure WHEN they do one of those, perhaps I'm not a candidate for that.
The porcelain and gold crown I have, has done well without any problems for 15 years. Can you put a crown, the same as before, in an existing 'hole'? Or once you've had a crown adn there is a problem what is next then?
These day's I'm also a little worried about things like novocaine, which never worried me before. It is because I get so many heart skips and palpitations these days, I worry it might affect my heart in some way (am I being silly?)?
Can anyone explain how a holistic dentist fixes a broken crown/tooth?
DLL
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JimBoB
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Hi DOn't LIKE:
I don't know HOW much help I can be. BUT I will say, I WAS going to have two teeth extracted today as I was going to get an upper plate as per GiGi's recommendations.
HOWEVER, I let my dentist talk me out of it today.
He did an xray and felt strongly, that the tooth could be saved without a root canal, and the eyetooth next to it needed filling also.
He took out the silver filling on the molar and replaced it with plastic and put plastic on the eye tooth also. Cost $294, BUT I can eat real food tonight, and can go back on my resveratrol protocol also.
He feels, I should NOT get a plate, as he says my bone structure is very good, and he canNOT make ANYTHING that will work as good and strong as my REAL teeth.
He recommended a partial on top. He said they can make one that is ALL plastic and NO metal whatsoever in it. Cost with filling my other tooth and partial will be about the same as extractions and a full plate.
I personally am not afraid of the novacaine. You MAY consider getting RID of the GOLD crown too. Another heavy metal. I have some silver/mercury fillings to get rid of.
BUT I only have one root canal left. It has a post, and tooth under it is not good, so will have that one pulled and replaced with the partial.
I told him NO MORE root canals, for sure. He said he will abide with that.
Best I can do to help you. Hopefully someone else will have more info for you.
dontlikeliver
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Thanks Jim.
I have some composite fillings, but i am not sure that plastic (which I guess it is) is less toxic than gold, which I thought was the most pure metal.
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I am NOT a dentist, and really only halfway know what I am talking about. Bit I do know, from recent experience...sometimes getting teeth pulled is a good thing healthwise.
I had my #2 tooth extracted on December 2 '05. I had no pain from this tooth, dentist said he was surprised, it was in very poor shape. I could feel a difference in how I felt as soon as it was out. I felt somewhat better before I was out of the chair. I was having a healing crisis by the time the local anesthetic wore off. I went just a couple of weeks ago and had some fillings done.
The filling on the very back botton right tooth removed an amalgam filling. I went home and took a nap and woke up in PAIN, like I had been hit in the head with a hammer. The lymphnode under the corner of my jaw on that side swelled and remained swollen for about three days. And I felt better after the pain wore off.
Sorry to get off on a tangent, I can't say that I have any advice for you...but if something is living IN your teeth, where antibiotics can't reach, it can have quite an effect on health.
James
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GiGi
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JimBo,
quote: don't know HOW much help I can be. BUT I will say, I WAS going to have two teeth extracted today as I was going to get an upper plate as per GiGi's recommendations.
Don't ever say I recommended to you to get an upper plate. I do not know your situation at all - when I talk about teeth, I speak in generalities. It would never occur to me to tell someone to have their teeth pulled.
It is my opinion and based on my experience and based on that of my husband: To delay approaching a serious issue of where the infection has already entered the jawbone is delaying the inevitable. I tried for years to "save" my teeth. The end result was that I ended up with root canals, because if the tooth is already dead and dying, there is no other way to retain that tooth in one's mouth, but to do a root canal.
I would no longer try to save a semi-dead tooth, and I certainly would not advise to get a root canal to keep that tooth another few months or a couple more years. In the meantime, the jawbone is alread affected and is turning soft and is home to the microbes. Whenever I hear the words "pulling the tooth" I get goosepimples. In order to save the bone at that point and from the infection to spread further the tooth and adjoining bone has to be reamed out. Look that up on www.altcorp.com/affinitylaboratory/rcttreatment.htm. If the area is not cleaned as best as possible, the bad effects don't stop there. That's exactly how I ended up with more and more root canals which eventually all had to be surgically removed, including a portion of the surrounding jawbone. If you wait that long, what have you left for support of a denture? It gets to be a tough act.
Of course, even if you can retain two healthy teeth --- healthy teeth ---- it is better because they can serve as support at least for some time.
The people that end up having troubles with a fitting denture that will serve them well are the people that waited. I know some people that lost all teeth in their thirties, because dentistry had not "matured" to where it is today to do all this fancy work. These people never had a day's problem with dentures that fit and served them well. If you have no healthy bone left after all the decayed and infected bone is removed, what ridge do you use to hold your dentures????
I am merely sending out the warning that this needs to be thought through well. With cavitations present in the jawbone, healing Lyme Disease and getting out the other invaders is very difficult and cannot be done. The good fellow that developed the CAVTITAT learned it the hard way - he had to have 30some dental surgeries to remove the cavitations before he was able to turn the corner and get well again. His diagnosis was ALS I believe. He is doing fine today, without any of his own teeth. He is very much involved in the research you read about on Altcorp, the website I posted above.
Anyway, don't ever say I recommended to an individual to pull your teeth. I wouldn't dream of it. I do know what is happening to most of the Dr. K. patients that I have met over the years where the teeth almost always are involved when it is a chronic disease. We know today that literally any chronic disease includes Lyme Disease for these patients. Their symptoms differ, but almost all of them turn positive with Western Blot after they are doing a short period of Dr. K. protocols -- always clean-up work.
Take care.
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Ive had a lot of dental work done while having Lyme dis. Having a cracked tooth is very bad for your health and needs to be fixed. It will let in further infection etc... and can keep your immune syatem damped down and effect other parts of your body. So, you need to do something.
One of my old fillings I had removed, we didnt know that the tooth was cracked until the filling was removed. It is so nice having this tooth fixed ! I did not realize I was having problems from it. I can now chew there, less sensitivity, things I didnt conciously know where going on until it stopped.
As to all the shots etc... they give you. I seem to need an awfull lot of pain medication to get numb, dont remember any dentist mentioning this when I was well. So, I get about 3-5 times as much as the average person of the pain stuff. Yes, I feel it going into rest of body, heart, etc... But, no bad effects, and there is no other choice. It is short lived versus the constant infection and trauma your body is dealing with with a compromised and hurt tooth.
They tried to give me Nitrous oxide last week, since Im so sensitive, but I had to stop it before they got me all the way deep on it. It seemed to make surrounding sounds etc... more noticable and irratating, and I didnt see how that was going to help.
There are various materails they can use to restore, mine are all partial and full ceramic crowns now. You can get tested to see what materials you might react to and which should be safe. This was mentioned in a post a few weeks ago.
If they are taking out mercury, ie silver colored fillings, make sure that they take precautions like a dental dam etc.. and know how to do it wisely.
Take lots of Chlorella before and after the dental work, it helps detox all the stuff that your gonna get exposed to.
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JimBoB
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Hi GIGI:
WELL, I GOT your attention.
THAT is good. I was going to put up a NEW post, but guess I don't have to now. I had written to you before, but didn't get an answer. So just took what I COULD from your previous posts about teeth.
Course with this Lyme brain, can't take it ALL in. ALSO, having been a printer in daily and weekly newspapers many years ago; one of the things we were told was that you need to write so an 8th grader can understand it. Maybe that should be 6th grader, nowadays. Maybe 4th grader with those who have Lyme????
Anyway, I was feeling guilty today for letting the dentist talk me into saving MY teeth, saying my bone support was excellent and that HE could not make anytning for me that would be as good and strong as what I already have. SO let him save the tooth I was going to have pulled, yanked, extracted, whatever term you prefer to use. Cost more this way, but still partly my REAL teeth. NOW to figure a way to pay for it.
Many of the "terms" used by some on this group are unfamilar to us "country folk" here in the midwest, therefore, don't always understand WHAT is being said in the posts, exactly.
NOW, I will HAVE to have the fillings removed/replaced from a few other teeth, also; MORE cost I was trying to save, as I do NOT have it. Oh, well!
And yes, I got him to use a "rubber dam" when doing the work today. It all costs more, but hopefully will help in the long run.
Got an appointment in 5 weeks to have another molar decay fixed and silver refilled on the lower jaw to save it. Dr. said to save my lower teeth for sure as he feels they are very strong yet.
Yes, you did NOT recommend to me PERSONALLY that "I" should have my teeth removed, BUT IF I remember right, your posts did lean in that direction. And I realize YOU are NOT a dentist or doctor yourself, but WHAT we say to others DOES affect WHAT they DO. I know some on this list get in a frizzy from what I say sometimes. SOME of that is GOOD, some is not.
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Reread the initial post. Ok, here is how the holistic dentist I used replaced a failing existing crown.
In my case, he removed a failing mercury(silver colored) filling at the same time, so this might not be exactly what he would do if it were only a crown.
1) topical followed by shots for pain 2) oxegen mix supply provided to nose of patient 3) dental dam in mouth of patient, only exposing tooth or teeth in question 4) large vacume sucking thing with large 4-6" diameter intake tube positioned in line with patients open mouth, about 1ft in front of mouth m aybe so dentist can still work... 5) paper masks and eye protection on dentist and assistant, 6) enlarging lens, like miniture microscope, on dentists glasses, so he can really see the details and clean up all existing decay while not taking much tooth 7) little suction tool that goes in patients mouth is connected to a filter to take out mercury before the air/water from patients mouth goes into the drain/surrounding air
So, then he takes off old crown, and old filling (there is usually even a filling under your crown of some type, build up material, and this needs to be removed.)You will lose a bit of your tooth too. How much depends on carefulness of your dentist. You want to keep as much tooth as you can.
Then, the oxegen, dental dam, large suction vacume thing get to get put away.
Then, he spends a long time cleaning up under the failed crown 'cause decay and stuff is under there, which is why you need to deal with it.
They take impressions of teeth (to make molds)
They 'build up' the teeth getting crowns. this is like putting filling type material in and on it. My new crowns have some type of non metal build up stuff, probably similar to composite.
then, they make a temporary crown and put it on.
Then your very carefull with those teeth for two or three weeks
You go back in, they remove temp crowns and put on new ones. this takes longer than you might think.
By the way, the gold they use in your teeth is not pure gold, it is mixed with other metals. So, while gold is generally nonreactive, what it is mixed with may bother you.
My dentist did a blood test to check for allergies to materials before work was done.
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You're going to refill with silver? Doesn't that have mercury in it? I don't think that is advisable, unless you want more mercury in your body.
quote:Originally posted by JimBoB:
Got an appointment in 5 weeks to have another molar decay fixed and silver refilled on the lower jaw to save it. Dr. said to save my lower teeth for sure as he feels they are very strong yet.
to take the silver out and replace it with composite plastic?
NO, DEFINITELY not going to put in any more mercury. Actually the silver doesn't have any mercury in it, it is the composite UNDER the silver that has mercury in it. That makes it easily pliable and workable into the shape of the cavity. And of course cheaper.
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