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Has anyone tried the homeopathic Ledum to treat Lyme disease? Ledum 1M strength.

I understand Vets use Ledum to treat cats, dogs and horses diagnosed with Lyme disease.

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We tried it back in the day. Didn't help. No surprise since the protocol is an improper use of homeopathy.

We are now seeing a qualified classical homeopath...and have learned that practicing homeopathy on your own can be a dangerous thing.

FWIW.

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Here is the link to the vet and someone that used Ledum 1M strength to heal lyme disease. If it works for dogs, cats and horses why wouldn't it work for humans?

What homeopathic remedy/ies did you finally use that helped heal lyme disease?

http://cassia.org/ledum.htm

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Try it if you like. Most of us have tried "everything". I got no response when I took it several years ago.

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I've been using the Ledum 1M 4, 3x daily and I noticed a slight improvement after the first day. I realize it is not the silver bullet, but I'm willing to use anything that helps.

Most LLMD/DO's say that most of us with the second or third stage of Lyme also have other things wrong with us, whereas the animals treated might have only had Lyme.

I've also been using the three main protocol items in the July 2005 book Healing Lyme Naturally. That seems to help some too, but have had to take the dosages for longer periods before increasing due to herx.

Also there is an interesting book written in 2004 called Beating Lyme Disease that I'm reading. The author is a DC and homeopathic doctor who uses various protocols to treat lyme and associated diseases.

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quote:
Originally posted by compute:
If it works for dogs, cats and horses why wouldn't it work for humans?

A dogs body temperature is higher than humans. Ledum, I believe, kills lyme by raising the temperature of the body.

I used it for several months and thought it helped. I would take it at night before sleep and would wake up feeling much better than if I had not taken it. My lyme symptoms were always the worst in the morning.

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Jack,

Do you find that you feel the cold more now than before you got Lyme?

I also have noticed my symptoms are worse in the morning.

I also notice that I sweat profusely in the summer time when I go out side. Never used to sweat as much in summer weather.

We've been having very cold weather here in Fla and I have to wear a parka if I go outside. By cold I'm talking 28 to 60 degrees F. I'm originally from upstate NY and have been in Fla for over 30 years. I've noticed the cold in Fla feels colder than when it's zero or below in the upstate NY winters. Only thing I can figure is the humidity is higher down here or out blood thins out.

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Hi, I also feel cold at about 4AM through the morning (until about 9-10 am). Jogging in the AM helps a lot with body temperature and general well being.

What helps with body temperature for sure is though Dulcamara, it does raises body temperature if I take it before bed.

I took Ledum different potencies (30C, 200C, and a higher one, can't remember how much). I'm still taking it, but difficult to say it's helping or not. I feel MUCH better than when I started treating, but I can't say it's BECAUSE of that or not as I'm taking dozens of other stuff.

I also took homeopathic Hypericum and Apis. I took and am taking these. But maybe not in the right order as it's self medicated. Problem is with potencies, you gotta have a few of them to be trying.

What I feel worked somehow were low potencies Borrelia nosodes. Nosodes 200K didn't do much as the 30C. I think all depends on the level of infection you got. I haven't tried higher potencies because I still couldn't find them. I couldn't buy them all at the same time, so I was taking these random.

I'll try to keep track on the homeopathy and take them in a pattern to see what happens. I have too many variables in a day to distinguish what works and what don't.

I just feel much better, but not cured!

The website about Ledum says nosodes could be dangerous. I think it's false. At least, here in Europe, I never heard of an homeopath saying homeopathic nosodes could be dangerous (in the sense of re-infecting someone). On the contrary, the discussion is always affirming that homeopathy is fake because it contains 'nothing' inside, as it's ultra diluted.

Someone from this forum is taking nosodes and herxing a lot with them. That's the only danger I see.

But I'm no doctor though and I have never taken potencies X (these are less diluted than C).

Homeopathy is inexpensive, doesn't cross react with anything else as far as I know (abx, supplements...), so why not give it a try?

Always under the tongue, best on empty stomach (1 hour), no tooth brushing before, no peppermint, nothing that leaves any strong taste in the mouth. Don't put anything in the mouth after minimum 15 minutes.

Best is first thing in the morning but you can take it many times a day if you feel it works. But overdose makes it ineffective as far as I know. So if it does nothing, don't overdose it. Change potencies.

Just repeating what my homeopath said.

good luck!

Selma

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compute,

I haven't had symptoms in awhile, but I don't remember any unusual sensitivity to the cold. After taking a hot bath or sauna I know I had to lay down for awhile; stirring up the keets.

My dog had tested positive for lyme and the ledum has been working great on him. He's 14 years old and bounces around like a young pup. I think dogs recover quicker from lyme because, as I mentioned, they have a higher body temperature.

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quote:
Originally posted by hardynaka:

Homeopathy is inexpensive, doesn't cross react with anything else as far as I know (abx, supplements...), so why not give it a try?

Homeopathy is NOT harmless, folks. It can be (and has been) used to help people die, for heaven's sake.

Please, be careful.

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mikken--

You've peaked my curiosity. I've always believed homeopathy to be fairly benign. Tell me more about it being harmful and being used to help people die??

[Eek!]

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quote:
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mikken--

You've peaked my curiosity. I've always believed homeopathy to be fairly benign. Tell me more about it being harmful and being used to help people die??

[Eek!]

Homeopathic euthanasia is not new. Homeopathy can be used to help someone die when it's their time to do so. Of course, this is not something you want to try on your own...

I too was told that homeopathy was harmless. That if you chose the wrong remedy, it would do nothing and that was that. This is so NOT true.

I took an intro course in homeopathy. The final class was a warning of what can happen if homeopathy is used badly - it was not pretty. A bad homeopath (yes, homeopathy has quacks, too!) took a dog with some occasional itching and a dry coat and turned him into a shuddering wreck near death.

By the time this "homeopath" was done with this poor animal, the dog had more than 50 lumpy, weeping sores all over his body, would not eat, would not move away from the fire, would dribble urine if he was not kept warm enough, and had started attacking another dog in the household with whom he had gotten along very well for years.

The owner brought the dog to the emergency vet one night because the dog could not move. The vet was horrified to see the condition of this animal and feared that the dog should be put down just because he was so miserable and hurting. Fortunately, the owner contacted a competent homeopath who was able to save the dog (first having to antidote EVERYTHING the previous homeopath had done), heal the weeping sores, and stop the aggression and constant need for heat.

Sadly, the competent homeopath fears that permanent damage has been done to this animal and that the dog will never be quite healthy again, no matter what. At least this dog is able to play and eat and have some quality of life despite what the bad homeopath did to him.

The lesson was given to us (with photos) to explain what homeopathy is NOT and how to spot and avoid bad homeopaths. It was quite the eye-opener for me, I can tell you.

I say again, homeopathy is not "safe". If it can heal, it can harm. We are not used to thinking in terms of "the whole person", but that's what homeopathy treats. It's not a matter of "use remedy A for condition B". It's more like seeing a person's entire physical state (all of your symptoms at once), factoring in their mental state and particulars (feeling better after eating pickles or whatever) and then finding the ONE remedy in the right dosage to address ALL of it.

Homeopathy treats the PERSON, not the disease. Homeopathy done badly does more harm than good. Sometimes, quite a lot of harm.

FWIW.

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