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So i am seeing dr. p apparently he really knows his stuff. He is not concerned with co infections with me. Why
i have been tested for bart, babs, erlich, three times now and neg on all except lyme, that was bouncing off the charts.
most things i read like healing lyme, this site, and endless hours on the computer looking into lyme state that it is not common to have just lyme.is this true?
Does anyone have just lyme, or is this something i should discuss at my next appt.
Can anyone shed some light on this for me? thanks dj
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Well, you MIGHT have gotten lucky. Some are! But more and more LLMD's are finding that their patients DO have coinfections, even if the tests came up negative.
My LLMD treats for all coinfections, regardless of tests. Thank goodness, because my babs test was negative and I herxed like crazy on the meds! If he hadn't treated me, I'd still be sick.
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DJ,
When I was first examined by my LLMD, I was tested for all the co-infections. Id' tested positive for Lyme but turned up negative for everything else.
That was in June.
Then in January, I saw the LLMD again. I'd made a list of all the symptoms that were bothering me a lot -- most of which seemed new.
She listened to the symptoms, asked me a few questions then told me that I have Bartonella -- no doubt in her mind.
She put me on rifampin, in addition to my Ceftin.
Several of those symptoms have already diminished and one or two have disappeared completely.
It's struck me since (just like it did with Too) that if I had a different doctor, maybe these new symptoms would have gone untreated...To me, that's a scary thought.
Andie
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Buhner, states that about 80% of Lyme patients have Babesia also. And smaller percentages have Erlichia and Bartonella.
SO it all depends on what the tick, flea, mosquito or fly gave you, for free.
I am treating for Babesia right now with Artemisinin and Red Root tincture, "just in case" I MIGHT have it. No testing.
I don't think I have it though, as I am not having the symptoms many have when treating Babesia by this preferred method. But better to be safe than sorry, I guess.
Because IF you do have a co-infection it is much more difficult to treat the Lyme.
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It all depends on the vector that bit you. Where was its last meal? Was it a rodent, deer, chipmunck, another human or had it landed in something to gross to mention?
What did it carry to you? It doesn't have to be any of the co-infections that you read about on this site so often.
It might be e-coli, staph, strep, parasites, paravirus, tetnus or any one or several of the world's micro-organisms.
But it is quite possible to just have lyme. In that case, I bet it would be an easier fix if caught in the early stages.
There are just too many unknowns and the sad part is we don't have enough educated doctors to figure out our illness. So they try to cover the symptoms with scripts.
It is so complicated and it makes me so sad. I got over mad a while back.
Pam
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Thanks for all your comments, i was just sitting down writing my questions list for my llmd, trying to make the most of a half hour appt, without just talking about the obvious.
It is such a complex issue and i knew it would be hard to get replies.
thanks to all, any other ideas out there? thanks.dj
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Sometimes borrelia weakens the immune system allowing opportunistic bugs to take over. Not a co-infection I guess but a indirect cause of another infection. and life lives on life lives on life. good chance some virus was living off Bb so now you/I will also have it. I was positive for the EBV.
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quote:Originally posted by map1131: It is so complicated and it makes me so sad. I got over mad a while back.
Pam
If not for the coverup of alternative cures I would feel the same way. Plenty of natural remedies have shown promise but have been plain ol bushwacked by BigPharma and their pets the FDA. Some federal judges also played this game of keep away. A nonpatentable cure is a death sentence to their industry. This is not just silver (although thats the big one.) I'm MAD as @#%# and I'll continue to be until our government and our press start working for "we the people" again. rant over
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map1131
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I understand Brent. That's why I'm here talking about my alternative treatments. This is the least I can do to try to help others.
We are of the opinion that if you get ill, you go to a doctor and he fixes your illness. I learned that is so far from the truth. I'm fixing me and using certain people I need to do that.
Even after all the billions spent on cancer research for preventive, cure (?), they still refuse to believe that alternative can and will help with this ugliness called cancer.
Every day there's another study that shows that the alternative supps, vitamins, herbs etc that we are using are a waste of money.
I think there are some really powerful companies and docs behind these studies. Bottom line they want us doing traditional meds and treatments so they can continue to get richer while we get more ill.
I'm sad , because was too stressful for me.
Pam
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quote:Originally posted by map1131: Even after all the billions spent on cancer research for preventive, cure (?), they still refuse to believe that alternative can and will help with this ugliness called cancer.
Pam
Many studies are rigged and then fed to mass media. We know a thing or two in lyme land about rigged studies don't we
As for cancer, I know the Human Papilloma Virus can cause cervical cancer. It can easily be prevented along with other sexually transmitted diseases (like borrelia)
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