Well now ... getting quiet here ... no posts in this Topic thread for the past 7+ hours BUT my inbox sure has logged a few complaints. So, after you all get done beating up on one another, you hand it off to me to clean up the mess ... I'm just thrilled ... wonderful!
Why don't you all beat up on the source ... Lyme Info.
Lyme Info is the website that broadcast the article JimBoB posted.
Lyme Info is the website that contains the following statement specifically disparaging the LymeNet Flash and the Lyme Info webmaster has ignored repeated requests remove or reword the disparaging statement that follows:
WARNING: At some of the forums such as the Lymenet FLASH, dissenting opinions can be censored. As a result you will not be able to receive balanced information to make informed decisions, and you will not know that useful info has been deleted without apparent cause. There are also members who benefit from the sales of questionable products.
OK, now I'm going to say something really smartass ... I'm the Moderator and you're not! OK, now laugh ... come on, tell me that wasn't funny?
Hey, there's really serious stuff, like life and death ... then there's all these other things that if we all would let them go by would be forgotten in a few hours or at most a few days ... it ain't that important ... let it go. OK?
Now let's all get "totally gob-smacked" (whatever that means) and double over laughing!
[ 11. March 2006, 12:38 AM: Message edited by: Lou B ]
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Gobsmacked: Adjective Definition: flabbergasted, astounded, shocked; also written gob-smacked. Etymology: from gob "mouth" + smacked "clapping hand over in surprise"
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Hey, Lou, YOU are too Kool!
Keep up the good work, and it will all work out in the long run, despite what SOME think or say.
This will fade, just like all other posts on this group have. ###
Teaques Lady:
I believe I have heard from you before, on another thread, haven't I?
Yes, MY mission HAS been accomplished. I at least have people THINKING. THAT is the main thing. I realize some will NEVER think properly, but it is NOT my job to change the world. But to help humble minded people. People who can see beyond their noses.
Many small minds will actually HATE me for this thread, but many others will THINK about all this and after awhile; and as things come to pass, will say, you know, THAT was a good thing. It got me to . . . .. OR It got me to . . . .. Etc., etc..
My job is to get MYSELF cured AND to help at least a few others along the way. Kind of like GiGi does, only in MY way.
HEY, I got 10 times more action on THIS thread than I have on any other. THAT has been a dream of mine. When I have seen so many "serious" threads just dwindle for lack of interest, except by a select few.
We sure got to see a different "side" of some here, compared to other threads where they have made me want to almost throw-up because of their sugar coated, nicey, nicey, unreal, over-sweet posts, that really didn't accomplish anything to find the CURE for this disease. Nor any real comfort for those suffering from pain, etc..
BUT you know, I didn't start the CONTROVERSY. I ONLY posted what Lyme Info had sent me, as they do almost every day, something that has to do with Lyme Disease in some way. I imagine most of you get this in your emails, correct?
IF not WHY not? ###
Quote by TequesLady:
Different protocols help different people. When you first came to LymeNet, it appeared as if you were calling anyone stupid that didn't follow Buhner's book. After awhile, you started seeing that Lyme is more complex than just a few herbs. ##
I am glad you said "appeared", because I NEVER said that, not even in so many words. TO the contrary: I just said that it was a great book, and I will STILL stand by that. HE has great knowledge of herbs, and I and you didn't. I NOW have a much better knowledge of them, and I am sure in a few months I will have even more. HOW ABOUT YOU? Have YOU grown?
Do you even KNOW WHEN I came to LymeNet? THIS is my second account on here.
With all that in mind, I am Still of the humble opinion that herbs are the main protocol to follow IF you want to get well. I am NOT against antibiotics per se as SOME have insinuated on here.
HOWEVER, from my OWN personal experience and in dealing with many on this list by private PM's, I have discovered that HERBS are like a "miracle" in HOW FAST you feel Sooooooooo much better. Especially as compared to the antibiotics that "I" have used.
AND IF you cannot believe that, so be it. Your loss, not mine. Just please do not TRY to stifle MY healing, NOR the healing of others, by telling them that herbs do NOT do the job. Because they DO. IF taken properly, in the right combinations, and amounts. (Protocol), for MOST people.
And it IS recommended by some, even Dr. K., to take some antibiotics along with the herbs for different symptoms, along with many other treatments. I am not following HIS particular protocol, since I can't go to Washington to see him; but his treating does look pretty good from what I have read. And look how he helped GiGi get "cured". Oh, and by the way, he even displays some of Buhner's recommendations on his website.
I also started this thread like I said, just to pass on a piece of PUBLIC information that was passed on to me, so in case SOME of you do NOT get the LymeInfo emails, delivered free to your computer, then you all could see WHAT SOME of the so called professionals have done and are doing in the "name" of "treating" our diseases.
I trust NO ONE, not even myself. Because as the Bible says: "Let God be found true, though every man (woman) be found a liar, . . . . .. (Romans 3:4)
I do MY best to tell the truth, ALL the time, however I too make mistakes as I am NOT perfect, yet, either, just like you are not either. There fore we ALL are liars at one time or another, even if unintentionally. WHY, because WE ALL make mistakes.
And NO, Teaques Lady, I am NOT angry because I can't go to an LLMD. I am finally relieved; as I stated when I first posted, because I COULD have gotten someone LIKE him, or maybe even HIM. Ugh!
NO, to the contrary, it forced me to THINK for myself and to find a surpassing way to get better.
And I HAVE. As opposed to one that posted here. MUCH better. NOT perfect, NOT cured, YET. NOT 100%, probably never will be. I got this disease over 6 years ago, I can't go BACK 6 years and feel like I did before I got the LymeD. I, just like ALL of you am getting older. Crap happens. WE are ALL in a dying state from conception; though it is mostly up hill to about age 18, but all downhill after that.
I will STILL have arthritus even AFTER I get rid of the Lyme. I will probably STILL have asthma, AFTER I get rid of the Lyme. I will STILL have all my aches and pains from all my broken bones, and Polio, etc., AFTER I get rid of the Lyme.
THAT is Life as WE know it. When the "New System" comes, then I HOPE to be able to be "perfect" in every way, IF I am fortunate enough to be selected to be there.
One thing I will say, is that it has been fun sparring with SOME of you. Some I never even answered to for one reason or another. BUT I am sure I am very accurate when I say, you are all thinking more these days, AND you probably had the MOST excitement you have had for a long time.
Take care of yourselves, be humble, learn what is NEW out there, that really WORKS.
Be close minded and you will suffer even more, for much longer. Lighten up, and don't let the "System" run YOU.
quote:Originally posted by Lou B: [b]WARNING: At some of the forums such as the Lymenet FLASH, dissenting opinions can be censored.
Not from what I've seen and this thread is proof. Appreciate the hard work and integrity Lou.
As for this nonsense above anything I can do (hopefully I speak for all of us) just let me know.
If anyone is on any other group hopefully you can pass the word that freespeech is alive and well at Lymenet and perhaps whats going on is that this Lymeinfo site is not exactly thrilled with that fact. dunno but it's incorrect
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quote:Originally posted by Gretchen P: All I can say is *sigh*
Too much energy wasted on one thought that turned in to 1,000 thoughts. I think JimBoB got what he wanted debate,debate,debate.
*sigh* I just don't have the energy, and I feel i am a fortunate lymie that has energy
I dont think JimBoB wanted debate, I think he was venting about the Dr. in discussion. There seems to be a lot of sceemers and scamers in our world today and it pisses people like myself off to read such a story. Venting is the only way to get release! What makes us free is our right to say what is on our mind, if you dont like was is being discussed all it takes is one click of the mouse.
Some people here really need to lighten up, and when you see someone is venting dont add fuel to the fire or it will end up a debate.
Who really wanted the debate?
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I guess I should read everything before I post, maybe JimBoB was not venting, regardless, people here really need to lighten up a bit.
Hey JimBoB how open-minded are you? What if that God you speak about does not exsist.
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I only was reporting what I got in my email from LymInfo who ONLY does the same. IT is NOT a group like LymeNet is. I orginally THOUGHT it was part of LymeNet, but I guess it is NOT.
As far as the GOD thing. I don't think YOU want to go there. I have an athiest wife, who is unfortunately MISINFORMED about HOW all this got here too, and I feel sorry for her. But lack of true information and pride keep a LOT of people from ever reaching the truth.
I am about as open minded AS you can get. I have studied it all for well over 30 years, seriously. And longer than that on a part time, casual basis.
IF you want to get INTO it, PM me. Debating THAT is not appropriate here on this MEDICAL thread.
THAT being said, I have proven beyond any doubt that HE does exist. It doesn't take too many brains to see that. Just look around you. And THINK.
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[QUOTE]Originally posted by JimBoB: [QB] bothrops:
"As far as the GOD thing. I don't think YOU want to go there. I have an athiest wife, who is unfortunately MISINFORMED about HOW all this got here too, and I feel sorry for her."
Dude, How can you say that and at the same time say you are open minded.
Maybe one day, if you are lucky, they will ban science from are schools. There is no way I would debate this issue with you.
No hard feelings though, like you I am sick and in need of friends so hopefully you wont hold that against me. Many religious people tend to hold grudges and are very unforgiving. Go figure.
If I do PM you it will be about your progress.
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Bothrops:
I have included YOUR last post and will answer after YOUR paragraph to make it easier, IMO, to know what each is talking about. Jim. ###
[QUOTE]Originally posted by JimBoB: [QB] bothrops:
"As far as the GOD thing. I don't think YOU want to go there. I have an athiest wife, who is unfortunately MISINFORMED about HOW all this got here too, and I feel sorry for her."
Dude, How can you say that and at the same time say you are open minded. ## THAT is real easy, since I used to be an agnostic myself, until I spent over 30 years studying and proving, completely, that HE not only exists, but is alive and well. I am open minded, in that I WILL listen to what someones views are, as long as they are reasonable AND not JUST for the sake of argument. AND then they are OPEN to reasoning on what can or cannot possibly be.
WHEN we have proven something to ourself, WHY reprove it over and over again. THAT is NOT necessary, normally. ###
Maybe one day, if you are lucky, they will ban science from are schools. There is no way I would debate this issue with you. ## I don't believe in LUCK. WE make our own luck. That being said, they have already banned "science" from our schools. They have ALSO banned free thinking IMHO. ###
No hard feelings though, like you I am sick and in need of friends so hopefully you wont hold that against me. Many religious people tend to hold grudges and are very unforgiving. Go figure. ## I hear you on the "religious" thing. But THAT is because THEY are NOT "TRUE" Christians. IF they hold grudges and are unforgiving, they are either some off the wall religion, OR Christians in "name only". Either way, NOT my kind of people. But I tolerate them best I can. What goes around, comes around, as the old saying goes. ###
If I do PM you it will be about your progress. ## Sounds like a plan. ###
Take care of yourself. You only have one body, and please watch your liver and gut. Not easy to replace those either.
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