I have been using a heating pad to bring up my temperature from 96.8 to 98.4 for two days and I felt great. Even today, I put the heat pad on my legs that have a lot of small bumps, I felt that something crawing under the skin: I assume that its the bug that are escaping the heat. Though aome may augue that the Bb is too small to feel it moves but if they move in a school of millions in one direction, one would feel it. Sounded ridiculous to me when somebody described that by using Salt/C protocol. I thought that may be real. Remember that a main symptom of Lymies is low body temperature and as people already noticed that there are much more Lymes in the Norther (Canada, Northern US and Europe) than other place. The bugs don't like high temperature, neither all other bacteria and viruses. That's why our body by raising temperature (fever) can get rid of these bugs or suppress them.
Most people on this board would agree that high temperature would be benificial to us in the battle.
But think that it's too dangerous to do so. I agree, changing blood, chanlleging with another bugs, heatin the head...., just too silly.
Remember just heat any part of the body you'll bring the whole body temperature up because blood circulation.
And you can do in a safe way: just bring up your abnormal low temperature to the normal temperature (from 95, 96, 97 to 98.6F).I couldn't see any harm to this.
However, higher than 98.6F might be better, we don't have clinical trial and if one try it for a long time, that cold be risky.
I searched the forum and brought up two topics as the follow:
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uh, if your "hypothesis" about the bugs is correct, wouldn't your heating pad, heat applied to your exterior, drive the bugs IN? and no, you really can't feel the bugs move. what you are likely experiencing is the dilation of surface capillaries which can yield a prickly or burning feeling.
hypotheses regarding heat therapy are based on raising the CORE temperature, not the SURFACE temperature. these hypotheses also postulate that core temperature must be raised well above normal body temperature of 98.6 F for extended periods of time. alas, one detriment to this is that in addition to possibly killing Bb bacteria, the host may also not fare too well.
in any event, i am agnostic, as the data are in no way robust on this issue, as to the efficacy of heat...
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Because blood circulation your core body temperature will be raised, not just the surface temperature.
Yes, we don't know the long term effects of higher than normal temperature on the host.
However, raising the lower temperature to the normal temperature would not do any harm to the body: the human bdy was designed or evolved to operate at 98.6F.
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If this works so well for prostate troubles, why are surgery and meds the only options still offered? This device has been available for 10 years.
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Not to be flip, because I know almost nothing about prostrate trouble, but maybe some of the reasons, many are offered only a few weeks of abx when they are diagnosed with lyme by a duck.
Ignorance, insurance companies, accepted practise, inadequate research to support new therapies.
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Bluesky, I want to share my experience w/you. I, too was very enthusiastic about the idea of heat treatment, and I still think it has great merit, but you must be very careful with it.
I think it's Gigi who has posted warnings about heat therapy causing some people she know to have permanent MS like arthritis as a result of heat therapy, and I think the same thing almost happened to me.
In January, w/the same thought you have, I decided to try a hot bath w/salts (epsom, table, and hydrogen peroxide added). I wanted to "get em" really good, and since I can tolerate heat pretty well, stayed in the hot bath for about 30 minutes, adding more hot water to keep it hot. I also made a point of keeping my hands submerged under the water as much as possible. I took my temperature and recall that I succeeded in getting it up to about 102 during that time.
I felt great the next day, but the day after that my joints started aching, and every day it seemed to get worse. Eventually my entire skeleton ached, with my hands, wrists and elbows huting the worst, but really every joint in my body hurt. My wrists hurt so much that I was in pain from just trying to sign my name.
Then I read Gigi's post about the MS like sx her friends got after heat treatment, and I thought "Great. Now I've really done it."
I was afraid I'd never get better, but after being in real pain for at least a full month, I started getting better. I think drinking organic apple cider vinegar and honey helped my joints, but who knows, maybe it was just the timing and it had run it's course. But it was very scary, and I don't plan on staying in a hot detox bath as long the next time.
I think my hands and wrists were particularly affected because they're the thinnest joints in my body, and were able to heat up to the core most easily. Just an added note, for what it's worth, I had also started regular Mg supplementation around the same time I took this hot bath, and my wrists were the last area to become fully recovered, and that was only within the last couple of weeks.
I'm now feeling better than I've been in a long time.
So the bottom line for me is: in my opinion, heat therapy can work, but you must take care not to overdo it, or be prepared for the herx from hell.
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Thanks psano, for your "scary" story, and the courage to the bath. One hot bath could cause such adverse effects on your body, it's a mystery.
Remember that the Austrilian scientist who got Nobel prize last year tried the bacteria H. Pylori himself and got sick.
Without the pioneers, how did we know the dangers or benefits?
Bbs have heat shock proteins as other bactreia to protect them from heat. But human have much more heat shock proteins, and should be more tolerant to heat.
The bugs like low temperature: they isolated the bacteria from skin biopsy; Many LD patients had skin rashes; the Erythema migrans... and hot bath helped. All indicating that the bugs like skin where the temperature is lower than the core temperature.
In contrast, they don't like the blood. That's why PCR tests of whole blood are negative for most patients.
I am not sure whether brain (we don't wear anything on our head) has lower temperature that make LD is basically a neuropathy desease.
Joints have lower temperature? Blood not directly flow into the joints.
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I've never heard that Bb doesn't like the blood, but it IS the easiest way to get around the body. However if it likes the skin because it's cooler there, maybe the heat from the bath drove it toward the core, which around the wrist, would have been into the joints?
On the other hand, I thought I'd read in another thread that Bb liked the joints. Maybe they just said that because of all the arthralgic sx assoc w/LD. However if what you say is true, i.e., that Bb doesn't like blood, and there's not much blood in the joints, then maybe Bb does like the joints because there's not as much blood there?
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"maybe the heat from the bath drove it toward the core, which around the wrist, would have been into the joints?"
That's a very interesting question: you might be able to drive the Bbs from place to place by heat. We'll make them run from their hiding place so we can kill them.
This just a hypothesis that is forming from some observations. If it is true, we'll be able to controll Bbs from another angle.
Sure, Bbs use blood stream to get to other tissues. I read somewhere stating that Bbs doesn't like blood.
I am not sure about joints and blood, but joints are definitely a favorite bed for bacteria, just look at how many people are affected of their joints.
Anothre hint: the body may use our largest organ-skin to exclude toxins from Bbs. So hot bath might be good in this sense. Bbs might use neurotoxin to weaken us especially the immune system. If we can get ride of the toxin as much as possible, we would strengthen our immune system and thus supress Bbs.
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Durameter,
I have to disagree with you about feeling the bugs.
I began my treatment with homeopathy. I woke up one night to the sound of scratching in my left ear and then a long burn down the lymph gland of that ear. For a week afterward, my left jaw hinge was very inflamed. Once that healed, an old hearing loss resolved as well. A few days later sitting at my mom's, I described a feeling along my arms like little bugs were crawling.
Only later did I read where this was the bacteria escaping the medicine. You will never convince me that I did not feel the bugs.
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and you won't convince me that you did.
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If the dilation will trigger NO (nitric oxide)...dilation, which in turn triggers acetylcholine...contraction...
The bugs can survive temp. changes, but maybe, I said maybe, not the NO.
Frequencies are part of the "electromagnetic spectrum"...this is the basis of heating and cooking our foods in microwave ovens which DO use FREQUENCIES to do this.
It is a neg. charge...not as strong as, say, radiation.
Even microwaving food depletes minerals.
Here are some more quotes:
``Once the tick-borne spirochete, BB1 (Borrelia burgdorferi) has disseminated in the blood stream to other areas''
``Borrelicidal mechanisms (superoxide and nitric oxide)''
``There is experimental evidence for production of IL-6, TNF-alpha, and nitric oxide by neural cells exposed to B. burgdorferi.''
See also: PMID: 7572329 (go to www.pubmed.com and then type in the number)
Increase circulation via NO to stimulate acetylcholine release. Nitric oxide to relax vessels, antioxidants to the rescue...perhaps.
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Yesterday, I put a heatinf pad on my left ear, for 30 minutes or so.
Today I noticed that the earringing has been obviously lessened.
Scientists found that LD animal's ears have a lot of Bbs.
Ear is one of coldest parts of our body, Bbs might thrive there.
This might be just a co-incidence. So I would like to know if others have such experience or would like to try this simple thing to reduce the earringing.
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