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I woke up with one, pretty scary looking. DARK brown patch in the center of the tongue.
Is it abx-related as suggested by some medical literature? I am only on Cefin 1000mg and Plaquenil 400mg daily.
How to get rid of it without having to stop abx?
Thanks!
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GiGi
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You might want to learn about the Hypoglossus Nerve and black tongue. Or ask your doctor. "What goes up, must come down" - is what my doctor told me when I went through the black tongue - mainly addressing the dental infections.
When you are well again, your tongue will be nice and pink, without ridges, scalloped edges, looking like a landscape map. And neither brown, yellow or black.
Do a bit of research.
Take care.
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Think yeast
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I have perfect dental health. Did search on Hypoglossus nerve - don't see any link there - or am I missing something?
Yeast is controlled by mega dose of probiotics on daily basis. I had initial yeast problems as soon as I started abx about 1.5 months ago. But the yeast seems controlled by now - why all of a sudden tongue goes black?
More importantly, how to treat it to return to normal tongue?
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Linda LD
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Please take this as it is intended--a joke!
My first thought is, got any chow parentage?
You, know, chow dogs have black tongues--ask MADDOG--he'll back me up on this!
Linda
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Black tongue is not all black like those of chows.
It's normal color tongue with a surface patch of dark brown somewhere. Mine is chocolate brown patch slightly larger than the size of a nickle at the center of my tongue.
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Old files...this came up awhile ago:
Black hairy tongue (lingua nigra) is caused by accumulation of debris on the tongue. It is chronic if left alone but disappears with regular cleansing of the tongue. A dental hygienist can show your child how to brush his tongue. It can appear during long-term antibiotic treatment as well. Another common cause of black tongue is the consumption of bismuth-containing medicines, most notably Pepto Bismol�.
A black, coated tongue is a temporary, harmless condition typically resulting from an overgrowth of bacteria and sometimes yeast in the mouth. These organisms accumulate on the tiny projections of the tongue -- called papillae -- and cause discoloration.
Certain types of bacteria and yeast make red blood cell pigments (porphyrins), which can give the tongue a black appearance. In some cases, the tongue may also appear "hairy" due to more rapid growth of papillae or an interruption of the normal shedding of cells by the tongue.
In some cases, the cause of black, coated tongue can't be determined. However, some potential causes include: � Changes in the normal bacteria or yeast content of the mouth following antibiotic treatment � Poor oral hygiene Some tips for removing the discoloration include: � Gently brush your tongue with a toothbrush twice a day. � Rinse your mouth with diluted hydrogen peroxide (one part peroxide to five parts water) or apply it with a toothbrush. Rinse out your mouth afterward. If this doesn't resolve the problem, consult your dentist or doctor. If the discoloration is due to bacterial overgrowth, antibiotics may be prescribed.
Other causes of tongue discoloration include: � Medications containing bismuth, such as Pepto-Bismol � Regular use of mouthwashes containing oxidizing agents, such as peroxide, or astringent agents, such as witch hazel or menthol � Tobacco use � Drinking excessive amounts of coffee or tea Apr 4, 2005
Other, less serious side effects may be more likely to occur. Continue to take amoxicillin and talk to your doctor if you experience � mild nausea, vomiting, diarrhea, or abdominal pain; � white patches on the tongue (thrush/yeast infection); � itching or discharge of the vagina (vaginal yeast infection); � black, "hairy" tongue or sore mouth or tongue.
Side effects of tetracycline and topical tretinoin
GiGi
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The hypoglossus nerve is "connected" with the tongue. Neurotoxins that started moving up into the brain long before there was enough to make me deadly ill, via the hypoglossus/vagus/other facial nerves, come back down the same way.
I had a black tongue for several weeks after I had completed major work affecting the head and brain. Lymph, tonsil, sinuses, brain/brainstem, occuput start releasing toxins. They come down the way they went up - via the hypoglossus nerve as well as other avenues. The tongue is a major "clearing house".
It can understand if you don't understand, because no one but Dr. K. has a logical explanation for something like that. It scared me, but all the mop-up agents for neurotoxins, if you use them, eventually took care of it.
Effects of Pharyngeal Muscle Activation on Airway Size and Configuration -- KUNA 164 (7): 1236 -- American Journal ... ... nerves (17). The hypoglossus (HG) nerve provides motor output to the intrinsic and extrinsic tongue muscles ... the oriface to the velopharynx (black semicircular shape) is above that ...ajrccm.atsjournals.org/cgi/content/full/164/7/1236 - More from this site - Save MRI study of pharyngeal airway changes during stimulation of the hypoglossal nerve branches in rats -- Brennick et ... ... the hypoglossal nerve innervates the tongue protrudor muscles ... filled cavities are black) from the surrounding tissues ... stimulation of the hypoglossus nerves. Respiration 63: 213 ...jap.physiology.org/cgi/content/full/90/4/1373 - More from this site - Save MECHANISMS OF TONGUE PROTRACTION AND NARIAL CLOSURE IN THE MARINE TOAD BUFO MARINUS (PDF) ... of the ramus. hypoglossus of the second spinal nerve (Fig ... stained with Sudan. Black B (jaw width 36 mm ... of the tongue by the glossopharyngeal nerve (left) and hypoglossal nerve ...jan.ucc.nau.edu/~kiisa/pdfs/Nishikawa and Gans 1996.pdf - 662k - View as html - More from this site - Save The Microsurgical Anatomy of the Glossopharyngeal Nerve Removal of lesions involving the jugular foramen region requires detailed knowledge of the anatomy and anatomical landmarks of the related area, especially the lower cranial nerves. ... glossopharyngeal nerve are demonstrated. The black arrowhead indicates ... the tonsil, tongue, or pharynx and ... hypoglossal nerve; CE = cerebellum; D = dissector; HGM = hypoglossus muscle ...www.medscape.com/viewarticle/489074_2 - 67k - Cached - More from this site - Save Mechanism of tongue protraction in microhylid frogs -- Meyers et al. 207 (1): 21 -- Journal of Experimental Biology ... hypoglossus of the hypoglossal nerve. Because there was no effect of m. intermandibularis denervation on feeding kinematics or tongue ... nerves with Sudan Black B: progressive vs ...jeb.biologists.org/cgi/content/full/207/1/21 - More from this site - Save http://community.middlebury.edu/~schar/Courses/fs023.F02/paper2/nicole.htm ... promising, as of yet the image is only black and white (or "dark" and "light"), and a rather ... pulses from the hypoglossus nerve (under the tongue) and transmits them through ...community.middlebury.edu/~schar/Courses/fs023.F02/paper2/nicole.htm - 45k - Cached - More from this site - Save Dental Tool ... alveolar nerve, inferior. Index MANDIBULAR NERVE ... movement of the tongue resulting in speech difficulty; adherent tongue. Index TONGUE / abnorm ...www.nlm.nih.gov/mesh/indexingmanual/dental_tool.html - 284k - Cached - More from this site - Save Sleep-Disordered Breathing, Control of Breathing, Respiratory Muscles, and Pulmonary Function Testing in AJRCCM 2002... ... dimensions of the tongue, soft palate, nasopharyngeal airway ... of the glossopharyngeal nerve produced a relatively ... the medial hypoglossus nerve produced significant interactions ...ajrccm.atsjournals.org/cgi/content/full/167/3/306 - More from this site - Save Effects of Blows ... may cause one to two black eyes or may cause a fracture ... The hypoglossal nerve controls the tongue. If it is injured it may ... Vagus Spinal Accessorius. Hypoglossus. Motor Dysfunction ...tkdtutor.com/07Defense/EffectsOfBlows.htm - 38k - Cached - More from this site - Save Motoneuron adaptability to new motor tasks following two types of facial-facial anastomosis in cats -- Gruart et al... ... the experiment. Black symbols correspond to records ... facialis auf den Nervus hypoglossus. Dt Med ... facial nerve interpositional-jump graft for facial reanimation without tongue atrophy ...brain.oxfordjournals.org/cgi/content/full/126/1/115 - More from this site - Save
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Check to see if any meds you are taking, esp. Bismuth can be causing this!
A black, coated tongue is a temporary, harmless condition typically resulting from an overgrowth of bacteria and sometimes yeast in the mouth. These organisms accumulate on the tiny projections of the tongue -- called papillae -- and cause discoloration. Certain types of bacteria and yeast make red blood cell pigments (porphyrins), which can give the tongue a black appearance. In some cases, the tongue may also appear "hairy" due to more rapid growth of papillae or an interruption of the normal shedding of cells by the tongue.
In some cases, the cause of black, coated tongue can't be determined. However, some potential causes include:
Changes in the normal bacteria or yeast content of the mouth following antibiotic treatment Poor oral hygiene Some tips for removing the discoloration include:
Gently brush your tongue with a toothbrush twice a day. Rinse your mouth with diluted hydrogen peroxide (one part peroxide to five parts water) or apply it with a toothbrush. Rinse out your mouth afterward.
If this doesn't resolve the problem, consult your dentist or doctor. If the discoloration is due to bacterial overgrowth, antibiotics may be prescribed.
Other causes of tongue discoloration include:
Medications containing bismuth, such as Pepto-Bismol Regular use of mouthwashes containing oxidizing agents, such as peroxide, or astringent agents, such as witch hazel or menthol Tobacco use Drinking excessive amounts of coffee or tea.
I have SMOOTH black tongue. My oral hygiene is OK. I scrape my tongue daily with a scraper. I never had Pepto-Bismo. I am on abx - Ceftin 1000mg and Plaquenil 400mg. I am on probiotics - 30 billion units.
GiGi - Black tongue sounds like a good sign if I interprete your post correctly. Am I releasing neurotoxins after 1.5 months of abx? What are the things to take or do to help clearing out neurotoxins? I haven't a clue.
Both Chinese and Ayurvedic medicines seem to point toward Stomach and Spleen disorder. Quite confusing here.
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Most likely yeast....I had that years ago and had to go on torches and Diflucan.
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I got it when I started eating walnuts. It could have been from yeast or fungus because nuts do have fungus on them. I stoped eating the walnuts and it went away.
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Luv, go to www.neuraltherapy.com/articles You will find an article "Neurotoxin elimination Protocol". You will find all the info and much more there. That is my doctors' website.
Take care.
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Hello, Luv.
I used to think I took enough probiotics, and STILL had a creepy brownish-black tongue that only a long course of Diflucan would cure.
This DESPITE all oral health precautions of swish & swallow Nystatin, tongue scraping, etc.
Then my LLMD had me try "Theralac," a probiotic that is outta this world. Recommended by many LLMD's at the last ILADS conference.
I now take one per day. Brown tongue has never, ever reappeared. (Despite daily coffee offenses. :-) ) No other signs of yeast. The stuff is unbelievable. Many here are also on it with great results.
Read up on it at their website: http://www.theralac.com - leaves all the other probiotics in the dust, IMO.
For ME, yeast/thrush was the cause and theralac was the cure. I can't be without it.
Michelle
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It seems most of you zero in on yeast. I may have lived with yeast for too long to notice any difference. Bowel movement seems normal. But there has been anal yeasty discharge for the past several months that was new to me - nothing itchy though. Could that be yeast overgrown?
Gigi - thanks for Dr. K's site. It's very informative.
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In Chinese medicine, a black tongue body, as opposed to a black tongue coating, is due to "blood stagnation".
This means that there is something impeding proper blood circulation in the body. The area of the tongue it is in indicates the area of the body where this issue is likely to be.
I had spots like this along the sides and tip of my tongue. I noticed it initially intensified when I got on antibiotics or other treatments.
In my case, I think it was a sign of the bacteria walling itself off in different areas of my body in cysts to protect itself from getting attacked by antibacterials.
The areas where the bacteria walled itself off usually had poorer blood circulation than other areas.
Also, in Chinese medicine, breaking up "blood stagnation" is one of the most effective therapies for treating Lyme disease.
Farah
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