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Hi, I've had more improvement with essential oils. Last month doc said probably had ms. Oils seem to give me energy. He took me off all atbs and told me go off all herbs. But I feel almost normal with the essential oils.
Would like to take them orally. Does anyone know how to do this? I would appreciate any information on this.
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I take a formula I made up orally now. I take it less frequently now than I did a year ago, but still do occasionally.
It has to be a 15%-20% dilution, and I take about 5 drops of the diluted formula three times a day. I let the formula sit in my mouth to be absorbed into the soft palate, the inside of the cheeks, and below the tongue into the bloodstream for thirty seconds to a minute, and then swallow the rest.
Some oils would be too strong to use in this way, and some oils should not be used internally, but a lot of oils can be used, and I do think that using the oils this way can work similarly to antibiotics.
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Farah, I've been using tea tree,oregano, eucolyptus, lavender, lemon, rosemary,and patchouli. I do have strange seizures since my illness, but have not with this.
Are these ok to take oral? What about citronella? I hope this isn't just lyme or ms remission. I have never had this much energy, my whole life.
Thanks, Tammy
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I have tested high by bio feed with Lemon, lemongrass and cypress. I take these internally. 2 drops each in 1/2 gallon of water. This combo helps lymph drainage, bacteria, yeast, circulation. I have been using for 2 months and it helps.
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So you ingest the esential oils that are sold in health food stores for application to the skin right? Are those the ones? Which ones would be good for lyme or co-infections?
What about cinamon oil? or sandle woood bc I already have those...lol
Great topic guys!
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I only use the oils that can be taken internally - the brand I use is by Young Living.
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I don't know how many oils are on the market that you can ingest. However I do know that Young Living makes most of their oils ingestable. Here is the link http://www.youngliving.us/
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Cinnamon oil and sandalwood oil both have activity against Lyme, and probably co-infections as well.
Cinnamon oil can be an irritant on the skin, and would probably have to be very diluted before ingesting, probably a 2-5% instead of a 15% dilution.
People do ingest cinnamon oil all the time as flavorings in toothpaste, teas, candies, and other foods.
A lot of the essential oils are originally from food or herbs but they are much, much, more concentrated, which is why they need to be diluted before using, either topically or internally.
Lemon essential oil is from lemon zest, which is a commonly used in flavoring foods. Peppermint oil is from mint leaves that are used in tea. It is important to know how to use these oils, but once you do, it opens up a whole range of possibilities with treating Lyme and other infectious diseases.
I think it is sad that people as a whole don't know more about the power of essential oils. People are all stressed about stockpiling Tamiflu for the bird flu, but I think essential oils are far more likely to be helpful if an epidemic like that breaks out than Tamiflu, which may do nothing other than make some drug companies rich.
Again, it is important to use these oils properly diluted because they are strong.
I don't use Young Living oils, but I do think that some of the books Gary Young published are useful, mainly because he seems to have translated a lot of the information available in French on essential oil research into English.
I prefer to use wildcrafted or organic oils when possible, especially for ingestion, but I have honestly safely ingested the oils from the health food store as well. I have been my own guinea pig, though, so I try to be more conservative in my advice to others about their situations.
I am finding Bay Laurel essential oil and hydrosol to work fairly well in combination with the other oils I have used for Bartonella. It gets the lymphatic system moving, and it has activity against gram negative bacteria.
I am quite healthy, but have still had some itching burning sensations in the skin, a few swollen lymph nodes, and some odd rashes, and taking the bay laurel now seems to be clearing all of these things up more, and making me mildly herxy, which I haven't been in a while.
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quote:Originally posted by farah: but I think essential oils are far more likely to be helpful if an epidemic like that breaks out than Tamiflu, which may do nothing other than make some drug companies rich.
Farah
Thanx for the names on essential oils for lymph drainage. in my experience oil of oregano has helped quite abit taken internally and externally for my skin. I was breaking out heavily. Kinda funny when folks start sniffing around saying is that pizza I smell... As to the flu I agree, very sad...
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New research on oil of oregano shows it kills H5N1 in the lab.
By Dr. Meg Jordan, PhD, RN, Global Medicine Hunter **********
New Research on Oil of Oregano
I interviewed Dr. Cass Ingram on my radio program last week, and he shared the groundbreaking research on oil of oregano in the form of Oregacyn P73 Respiratory Support. These capsules are taken 3 times daily and for extreme cases, 2 capsules every 1 to 2 hours.
According to Dr. Ingram, "the P73 didn't just hinder H5N1's growth in the lab, it slaughtered it." Ingram got a call from Vice President Cheney asking him if he stockpiles barrels of the stuff. "I don't stockpile oil-that's your job," was the doctor's blunt response.
The research is expected to be published soon in the Journal of Antiviral Research. I promise to keep you posted. Ingram noted that this is not just any oil of oregano, but a super strength form. "Plus it took 25 doses for the slaughtering to occur...H5N1 is one tough bug."
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Farah, Since I have been using oils especially on scalp, I have noticed a slight headache about 8-10 hrs later. A few days ago I massaged them on husbands scalp and face for his sinusitis and he started complaining of h/a's. His b/p shot up to 178/98 also. Could the oils be causing this? I diluted the bottle more and we used it last night and so far no h/a's. I would hate to quit using them. My face has really cleared what I thought was age spots. And everyone at work noticed that and that the dark circles under my eyes were gone. They said I look healthier than they have seen me. And I have so much energy. I just hope this is not a temporary wellness feeling. Are the oils from the bible more beneficial to healing? Thanks for all your help, Tammy
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You buy from www.yinessence.com and it Contains 20% eucalyptus, lemon, frankincense, patchouli, geranium, and thyme essential oil in a base of 80% grapeseed oil. reasonably priced.
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I suspect your headache was a herx. The bacteria start coming out through the cranium when the oils are applied, and sometimes that will temporarily increase the intercranial pressure. Doing some cranialsacral work or getting some sort of head massage can help. Other forms of massage other than cranialsacral will probably hurt, because the scalp will be very tender, but they will still help.
As far as your husband's blood pressure goes, it probably depends on what health conditions he has, and which oils you used. Lemon oil lowers blood pressure. This is why it is good to have a good reference book about the different effects of different oils when trying them out.
If he has Lyme, I think people with Lyme often have strange cardiovascular occurrences that aren't easily explained, and they are usually due to bacteria moving out of an area and into another one.
For instance, people who have dormant bacteria in their heart tissue, will suddenly have chest pain as the bacteria come out and die. That is why it is important to be cautious while herxing. Herxing can be as hard as the disease itself.
As far as oils in the Bible go, the common ones used back then were frankincense, myrrh, sandalwood, spikenard, and oregano(oregano is called hyssop in the Bible). All of them were used to treat difficult infections like leprosy back then, and they still have validity for treating difficult to treat infections now. There are plenty of other oils that have ancient uses in other societies that weren't mentioned in the Bible, and these too have a lot of beneficial uses today.
Also, back in biblical times, the aromatic components of plants were processed and used differently. The processing technique of distillation of oils was invented by Avicenna during the time of the Islamic empire. He used the oils for medicinal purposes as well.
The ancient Egyptians also used aromatic components from plants as concentrated medicines, and their medicinal lore goes further back than the Bible.
The Chinese have also used aromatic components of plants in Chinese medicine, and that is an ancient healing system.
The Native Americans used sap from fir and pine trees to treat infections historically as well.
The use of these medicinal substances has a long history, and can be found in many different cultures and societies around the globe.
My skin looked really good from using the oils too. It became yet another reason why people didn't believe I was sick, not that they needed it. I think I still look younger than my age because I use the oils. The essential oils can stimulate the skin to regenerate faster. They use certain oils in Europe for "essential oil facelifts".
I think that the beneficial effect on the skin also benefits our internal health, since the skin is a major organ of detoxification.
Farah
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Go lightly, you don't need much. Start out in a small painful area and see how you react and move on from there. I've been lucky haven't herxed at all. The 2 oz. bottle goes a long ways.
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I have purchased several oils to try them one at a time since I have so many allergies and sensitivities.
I was doing OK with Frankincense and lemon.I felt a little herxy only. Then I added tea tree oil and had a huge herx!
Every part of my body is aching. I have been putting mine in bath water to go slowly.But, I accidently put in a much larger amount of tea tree oil last night.
When I have tried all I need, I will start applying them diluted to skin. This has been a very helpful discussion. Cindy
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Farah, Do essential oils cause skin eruptions? Is this a detox thing? I have sores, bumps, and scabs all over scalp for several days. Still feel great. Also, been having cold chills and fever. Not on atbs right now as doc thinks I have ms.
Thanks, Tammy
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I think the rosemary may have triggered the spike in your husbands blood pressure. It is good for people with low blood pressure, but not high blood pressure.
The skin eruptions can be one of two things. Either you need to use the oils more diluted because they are irritating your skin, or the infections you have, such as Lyme or bartonella, are coming out to the surface of the body, the skin, as they die off and go away.
This happens with certain infections when treated with Chinese medicine. The Chinese call it "venting the rashes". This seems to happen a lot with Lyme as people are getting better. The disease gets more and more superficial, till it is mainly in the skin, where it began, and then the rashes slowly subside also. So I guess you could call this a detox reaction.
Other people have mentioned this phenomena to me as they use the essential oils, and I have had this happen as well.
Farah
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Different formulas available for Lyme, Babesia, Bartonella, viruses, parasites etc.
Just ran across the website recently. Some herbs listed are familiar ones and others I have never heard of and have not had time to research.
All these formulas developed by Hart Brent, Master Herbalist in Vermont.
Am interested in adding essential oils to hubby's treatment, but Farah mentioned applying to the point of nausea I think. Hubby already has this problem 30 - 70 % of the time, so I am concerned about knowing how to gauge the amount to use without creating more problematic symptoms.
The article link above talks about using 5 drops of mixture in 4 locations and repeating this 1 or 2 times a day. How does this dose compare to what others are doing?
Bea Seibert
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Research terpenes (C10H16) to see what they do, how they work. Then it makes sense.
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Is it the Lyne Essence Oil you diluted and take orally? I don't have pain any more but am definately still battling lyme and bart. Also is this oil organic?
Thanks, Kathy
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All of the oils in the LymeEssence Oil are organic or wildcrafted. They are in a 20% dilution. I took these oils orally but I don't advertise it as such. I also used them externally a lot, and I market it as a massage formula. It worked both ways for me, but it seems to work differently but complementarily when I used it internally and externally.
Essential oils really are very helpful for infections. Certain precious oils like frankincense, myrrh, and helichrysum are very expensive. But other oils like lemon and peppermint are quite inexpensive, so if someone is selling those oils for $20-$30 for a half ounce bottle, I would say that is overpriced.
I think the technique mentioned at Heron herbals for application of the oils can work better for milder cases of Lyme disease. For severe Lyme with co-infections, I think more liberal application is required. A drop here and a drop there is not likely to make a major difference. Also, I do think even when applied drop by drop, most oils do require dilution to prevent skin irritation.
A lot of essential oils are broad spectrum in terms of which infectious agents they are active against, so most strongly antimicrobial oils are likely to be active against Lyme as well as other co-infections.
Farah
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Thanks Marnie for the suggestion. The root cause of my P450 problems are genetic.
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Kathy, what we are finding is even if there is a genetic problem, we can overcome many of the subsequent problems to a huge extent via many nutrient supplements.
Down's Syndrome is a prime example. Those who take multiple nutrients do far better physically and mentally (learning). Years ago, kids with Down's Syndrome had very shorter lifespans and were put in special ed classes.
Find P450 and the relationship with TRPM6 and TRPM7...and calcium and magnesium.
Page 6 and 11 in the above link.
Cytochrome P450 is a family of the body's more powerful detox enzymes.
Over 60 key forms are known, with hundreds of genetic variations possible, producing a wide variety of susceptibility to specific toxins. As the saying goes, "One man's meat is another man's poison".
Problems with P450 are often involved in porphyria type disorders. P450 production may be inhibited or substantially used up by H2 blockers, some antacids, SSRI's (Prozac, Paxil, Zoloft, etc.,) and perhaps one fifth of all medications.
In this manner, these drugs have the potential to worsen, or even create, a susceptibility to many common chemicals, and thus may trigger Multiple Chemical Sensitivities / Environmental Illness and related syndromes.
The oddness of some of these symptoms may prompt some doctors to prescribe SSRI's, thus making the situation worse.
Long term inhibition of heme synthesis due to P450 insufficiency may cause anemia. This, and the resulting metabolic reductions, may cause reductions in the body's ability to maintain itself, showing up as a wide variety of health problems similar to those of Wilson's Syndrome, as well as behavioral and cognitive problems similar to those described in The Cold Body Page. A related detoxification pathway involves Paraoxonase and related oxonases.
Mechanism of Interaction
Hyperactive Bioinorganic Proteins (Looks like party pictures)
A general detox enzyme. Homo sapiens - Oxidative phosphorylation P450 Inhibited by SSRI's, can cause porphyria type problems. See also Problems with SSRI's What's new in the Directory of P450-containing Systems Byron W. Kemper About P450-containing systems Allan E. Rettie Bio-sketch P-450scc WWW Poster Affinity BioReagents, Inc. Home Page PA3-033 PA3-034 Cytochrome P450 Family Mechanism of Interaction Proposed Investigation of Cytochrome P450
The data were interpreted to suggest that exogenous lipophilic compounds can be metabolized via cytochrome P450 proteins, and that the resulting metabolites can bind to members of the Nuclear Receptor (NR) class of proteins and regulate gene expression.
Mechanisms by which: 1) consumption of alcoholic beverages increases liver damage from acetaminophen and
2) arsenic decreases cytochromes P450 in the liver and the relation of such decreases to development of cancer and liver damage."
Looks like ethanol (thanks to Bb) MIGHT decrease the cytochromes (liver enzymes) and cause RNA/DNA damage.
Now...how to deal with ethanol...vitamin E for one. It is needed to help breakdown ethanol.
We know that low Mg levels = changes in gene expression. Low Mg, for example, makes many pathogens more virulent. It changes their proteins. Mg impacts all proteins. Mg is needed to make all proteins, healthy ones. Proteins include the antibodies, hormones and enzymes, etc.
We MAKE many proteins during sleep, specifically during REM sleep (when acetylcholine kicks in). This is the "healing" aspect of sleep. REM stands for rapid eye movement.
Non-REM sleep must preceed REM sleep. For NREM sleep we need melatonin which comes from serotonin...which needs Mg, B6, tryptophan, etc.
During the night, we switch back and forth between NREM sleep and REM sleep. But it STARTS with NREM sleep..."falling" asleep.
I personally know a longstanding lyme patient who (tested in a sleep lab) has NO REM sleep! Since Bb is taking/depleting our choline, this should come as no surprise. Choline is needed for us to MAKE acetylcholine which triggers REM sleep. No REM sleep is disasterous.
Cortisol levels also play a huge part. When they are low, the need for Mg and B6 ...part of serotonin...go up...way up.
Cortisol levels (low) are implicated in ADHD, learning disabilities, seizures and autism. Ritalin, prescribed for ADHD, raises cortisol and increases PLASMA Mg levels. The impact of raising cortisol and taking Mg (from where...storage?) longterm has potential harmful effects. Ritalin preteen use is now linked to depression and cancer in later life. Shoot...we were told it is "safe" many years ago.
Why would cortisol levels be low?
I suspect the anesthetics during labor are not infant-friendly. Mom's are supposed to have high cortisol levels...in fact, this is a sign for a miscarriage...labor is beginning...up goes cortisol.
Zofran...to block serotonin production...is given to pregnant moms who are throwing up a lot. Impact on the baby...from personal experience...those infants have serious sleep problems (no naps, frequent night-time awakening).
Brethine, given to halt premature labor also comes with many risks. "Since the calcium is blocked, the heart muscle cannot contract as strongly and it compensates by increasing the number of heart muscle contractions." PMID: 14745978 and 12681894 and 12423819. Rebound hyperkalemia needs to be watched for. PMID: 14507561.
What concerns me most is a recent article in PubMed that states Terbutaline (also to halt labor) is a developmental neurotoxicant! PMID: 14610225
Geeze...what are we doing?
Some "locals" ie. paracervical blocks, lower cortisol for mom (docs say if they give too much or too often, it will slow labor), but as you know...drugs cross the placental barrier.
Unfortunately, I think we're making a lot of mistakes. It is known that choline improves intelligence in offspring and may help to protect the child even later in life. Although even in the early formative years, it will help too. At what point is it too late? Those first 3 years are so critical.
Anyhow...the bottom line is: nutrients can help us to overcome some of the damage that was done. It ain't easy though.
Question: if diabetes is "genetic" why don't babies EVER need insulin? What is protecting them for so many years? I believe it is Mg...babies have much higher Mg-Ca ratios...that's why their bones are soft. The need Ca to "harden" the bones. Good thing they are soft, 'cause they are slippery little critters during bathtime. ;-) They don't "break" as easily if we accidentally drop them. Calcium in excess = very brittle easy-to-break bones.
Bones need much more than calcium...Mg, phosphorus, boron, vitamin D...all play a part in healthy bones.
We have to weigh the risks associated with the drugs VERY carefully, IMO.
Sorry for getting off track...but one thing leads to another because of the astounding interplay of everything that is happening in the body.
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I think a lot of problems with the liver, including with its enzyme functioning, in people with Lyme is due to presence of bacteria in the liver.
I say this because I had plenty of liver irregularities and an enlarged liver and spleen for a while with this disease, and chemical (and everything else) sensitivities.
The essential oils actually reversed these irregularities for me.
Being able to properly detox though, is an issue. The essential oils are processed by the liver, kidneys, and skin.
I haven't had anyone have a problem yet with the oils because of a P450 problem.
I would say it is a good idea, like Marnie mentioned, to take some other supplements to support the liver while you are getting treated for Lyme, and to start any therapy slowly.
The Wilson's syndrome, the chemical sensitivities, and the cold body syndrome, and the enzyme irregularity are more likely to be due to Lyme, than genetics, because Lyme can cause all of these things.
Farah
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quote: I'm also benefitting a lot from an essential oil formula (one made by Farah).
I use it topically and feel it has really helped me.
Andie
You said for me.
I apply once a day on my troubled area, and impressively, my skin became smooth again within a couple of days. I am not sure if it also helps other symptoms though, cuz I was on other stuffs. However, recently i improved significantly.
Dave
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There is a line of essential oils from Germany that is now carried by BioPure that I am using. They are ozonated oils that result in a compound called Rizols and may be very effective for LD and co-infections as well. www.BioPureUS.com
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Scott, Thanks for the info. Did you take orally or externally? How effective they are?
Dave
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I am happy to see this old thread has come back to life.
I still think essential oils are incredibly helpful for Lyme Disease and fibromyalgia (which is often Lyme and co-infections).
They are active against all sorts of pathogens and they cross the blood brain barrier, so they are particularly helpful for neuropsychiatric Lyme disease.
I hope that essential oils eventually become one of the more well known therapies to Lymies because I think they can alleviate a lot of suffering.
I am using them on some fibromyalgia patients I have now, and they are responding well also.
Farah
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I am looking for the Lyme Essential Oil I read about, I thought on this thread, and I tried VINESSENSE.COM but couldn't open it. My lyme brain is struggling this morning.
Any help? Thanks, lymiebean
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I think it is yin essence. If that doesn't work, post again. I will look further in the meantime.
I ordered it and it is powerful. Dilute it before using. Farah explains in depth, she's the expert.
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Planta Med (2006): "The essential oils [of wild oregano] were evaluated for antimicrobial activity and proved to be active against all tested microorganisms."
Parasitol Res (2006): "Our data indicate that oregano and thyme essential oils are effective against T. cruzi, with higher activity of thyme, and that thymol may be the main component responsible for the trypanocidal activity."
J Med Food (2006): "All of the tested essential oils (except for cumin) showed antibacterial activity against one or more of the Bacillus species used in this study."
This study looked at the toxicity of some antimicrobial oils to intestinal cells in vitro (ie, out of the body). Oregano seems to have been the least toxic while also demonstrating "extensive antimicrobial activity":
Toxicol In Vitro (2006): "Although essential oil of oregano and its component carvacrol slightly increased the incidence of apoptotic cell death, they showed extensive antimicrobial activity even at lower concentrations."
Alas, oregano isn't effective against everything:
J Agric Food Chem (2006): "The strains of Listeria monocytogenes tested were relatively resistant to the action of essential oils of either Origanum or Thymus species."
There are studies going back many years attesting to the antimicrobial activity of essential oils. But, alas, I'm not aware of any testing the efficacy of such oils against lyme bacteria.
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