Dave6002
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Up for help.
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JimBoB
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Hi Dave:
YES, it DOES work.
I have never been tested for anything, but have had the symptoms for Lyme and Babesia, and since about 80% of the people who contract Lyme, also have Babesia, SO I went on his protocol.
When I was on the Artemisinin, I didn't herx or anything. Just felt flushed and was VERY tired all the time. I tried LOW dose first, for about two weeks, then HIGH dose, for three days.
Then I went off for a few weeks. Then I got Artemisia annua whole herb powder and made my own capsules, 600 to 650 mg each.
I took them for two weeks, one morning, one night for about 1200mg a day. Towards the end of the two weeks I herxed like crazy, so they were doing something. I took off of it for a few more weeks, and am back on them again. But only 600 mg a day. I want to see what THAT does. I will stay on them for two or three weeks, depending on what my body tells me. I am herxing a little, but not too bad.
I am still taking all my herbs for Lyme at the same time, though I cut down from 89 pills a day to 71 a day. Spread out to three times a day.
I ALSO take Red Root tincture as recommend by Buhner three times a day. THIS will help to keep the herxes down to a minimum and milder. IT is very important to keep your Lymph system cleansed. Especially the liver. I also take Milk Thistle for the liver.
While I am not perfect yet, life is good overall.
YOU can't just dabble with the herbs. Get into it whole-souled. Be religious in taking them REGULARLY.
THEY DO WORK!
Ask JWF or GiGi about the herbs. They'll tell you they work.
I drink boneset tea 3x/day while taking high doses of artemisinin for 3 days at a time. I think it has made me herx. I'm also on the other core herbs for Lyme and bartonella.
P
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hardynaka
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Yes, it seems to be working but not on the amounts he recommends (too much for me to stand).
Andrographis 3 pills/day, cats claw 3, sarsaparilla 6, astragalus 3, artemisia anua (complete) 3 plus other stuff.
Works well for lyme arthritis and many neuro symptoms, including insomnia. I also do KMT sessions, plus garlic, PC-Noni for babesia.
Babesia symptoms are somewhat under control (air hunger, night sweats etc), but I can't overdose artemisia annua nor take a lot of artemisinin now (or I may 'herx' with strong air hunger).
I don't feel that without the KMT, only herbs, babesia would be under control, nor fatigue, though.
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Dave6002
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Thanks Jim, Pea and Hardynaka for giving me more confidence in this protocol.
By the way, have ever expereinced or worried about drug resistance? cuz you are using just one medicine to treat Babs.
Best wishes.
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JimBoB
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Artemisinin is NOT a drug in the sense that YOU are used to. It is NOT a manmade antibiotic.
Man HAS extracted it from Artemisia annua, however, so it has lost some of its other good qualities of the whole herb.
Like I said, I started out on Artemisnin, but switched over to the Artemisia annua after finishing the 100 pill bottle of Artemisinin.
Be sure to take the Red Root tincture with it though, then you will not herx as much, and the poisons won't be building up in your system. I would NOT take it without the Red Root.
I don't know about you, but I for one want to feel better not worse. And herxing makes you feel worse.
Selma is much lighter in weight than I am so I am able to take Buhner's maximum recommended herbs IF I want to.
I have cut back right now for awhile. I may go back to max later.
Right now, I take 9 Andrographis a day, 9 Stephania Root, 9 Devil's Claw, 9 Cat's Claw, 9 Sarsaparilla, 9 Resveratrol, 3 Garlic, 3 Olive Leaf, 3 Oregano Leaf, 3 Milk Thistle, 3 Stinging Nettle Leaf, 2 Viramax, 1 Vitamin E, 1 Artemisia annua, 3000mg of C-Salts and about 200 drops of Red Root tincture.
I was taking 12 pills of those that I am now taking 9 of.
When I was on antibiotics too, I also took Acidophilus every day.
ALSO, by pulsing the Artemisinin or the Artemisia annua, you are (hopefully) faking out the bugs.
IF you take the low dose, do not take for more than 30 to 40 days. Then take a couple of weeks off and hit it again. Same with the HIGH dose. DO it for 3 days, then take two weeks off, then hit it again.
hardynaka
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Yes Dave, I do worry about drug resistance, but still found no one to prescribe heavier drugs to me (Babesia) as no one believes I have it, here in Europe.
I found a pharmacy which sells Malarone without prescription (long time family friend), but I doubt they will sell me for so long without drs prescription, so I still didn't try it.
I stopped playing with artemisinin alone as it didn't kill my babesia (not on the 30 day Buhner protocol, nor on the agressive Dr. K's protocol, because I developed strong air hunger with it).
Now I'm on artemisia annua + frozen garlic + PC-Noni, all indicated for babesia, but still not sure only these will work. This was suggested by a naturopath who treats lyme same way as Dr. K through ART.
I certainly 'herxed' with PC-Noni (strong chills) but now stopped having a strong reaction to it, so I may need to increase amount of it or add/ change for another herb/product.
I'm wondering if I shouldn't add some Zhang's herbs to help circulation (HH pills). Or still add quinine, but afraid of playing with this herb too. I also read that neem could help on the babesia picture, got some here, but were tested negative in ART, so I'm not taking it.
Just a few ideas, if you are stuck like I am with ducks.
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Jim, I would like to talk to you on the herbs. Your messege box is full.
My LLMD told me about Buhner's Healing Lyme Book.. I have read it and am very interested in the herbs... I have been a Flash member for many years...have seen the board go through 3 "remodels". I rarely post these days, but do visit at times. Thanks! Mary from Michigan (MaryMi)
quote:Originally posted by JimBoB: Artemisinin is NOT a drug in the sense that YOU are used to. It is NOT a manmade antibiotic.
Man HAS extracted it from Artemisia annua, however, so it has lost some of its other good qualities of the whole herb.
Like I said, I started out on Artemisnin, but switched over to the Artemisia annua after finishing the 100 pill bottle of Artemisinin.
Be sure to take the Red Root tincture with it though, then you will not herx as much, and the poisons won't be building up in your system. I would NOT take it without the Red Root.
I don't know about you, but I for one want to feel better not worse. And herxing makes you feel worse.
Selma is much lighter in weight than I am so I am able to take Buhner's maximum recommended herbs IF I want to.
I have cut back right now for awhile. I may go back to max later.
Right now, I take 9 Andrographis a day, 9 Stephania Root, 9 Devil's Claw, 9 Cat's Claw, 9 Sarsaparilla, 9 Resveratrol, 3 Garlic, 3 Olive Leaf, 3 Oregano Leaf, 3 Milk Thistle, 3 Stinging Nettle Leaf, 2 Viramax, 1 Vitamin E, 1 Artemisia annua, 3000mg of C-Salts and about 200 drops of Red Root tincture.
I was taking 12 pills of those that I am now taking 9 of.
When I was on antibiotics too, I also took Acidophilus every day.
ALSO, by pulsing the Artemisinin or the Artemisia annua, you are (hopefully) faking out the bugs.
IF you take the low dose, do not take for more than 30 to 40 days. Then take a couple of weeks off and hit it again. Same with the HIGH dose. DO it for 3 days, then take two weeks off, then hit it again.
Hope this helps.
Jim
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In 1972, the scientists isolated four chemical compounds in the plant: artesunate, artemether, arteether, and artemisinin. Three have medicinal applications. Artesunate, which is a water-soluble synthetic compound, is the most active and least toxic of the four, but it breaks down rapidly in the body.
Artemether, another synthetic compound, is fat-soluble, breaks down slowly, and is the most toxic of the four when taken in high doses. Its therapeutic dose is far below the danger level. Artemether's main advantage is that it can cross the blood-brain barrier.
Artemisinin, which occurs naturally in sweet wormwood, is the least expensive compound to produce, and it's considered the safest and most effective. It, too, crosses the blood-brain barrier. Some practitioners use artemisinin alone, while others prefer combinations of artemisinin and artesunate and/or artemether.
Artemisinin became the drug of choice for malaria. It has since become popular throughout Southeast Asia and Africa, where malaria has become resistant to nearly all anti-malarial drugs, including chloroquine, quinine, mefloquine, and Fansidar. Malaria infects an estimated 270 million people worldwide, with about 80 percent of cases occurring in Africa. So far, malaria has not developed resistance to artemisinin.
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I took mepron/zith/artemisinin for a very long time (400 mg arte/day), and do not think I eliminated babesia, even though my symptoms were never bad.
Since January I have been following Buhner's protocol, and have been trying using high doses of artemisinin (900 mg/day for 3 days) every 2 weeks. (I weigh 105.) The past few rounds I have added boneset tea 3x/day. I think this combo has made me herx. I hope!
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