just don
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I thought I had the answer once or twice but still cant get a decent nights sleep. IF I take an Ambien I drag all the next day.
Even tried half an Ambien and drug yesteray. cant afford to sleep in daytime this time of year. plus goofs up my night sleep worse.
Tonight I can try a gram of salt again, that 'seems' to work better than anything else, sometimes. Specially in the summer when I NEED to replace salt anyway.
LLMD said it was connected to a real 'need' when discussing the WHY'S of why salt works as good as ambien.
Some times I can sleep, or fall asleep from 10-11 PM to about 2 AM, then cant fall asleep(back asleep) for nuttin. gosh this is getting old.
Seems I can sleep better in chair in front of TV than anywhere else.Last wweek it was 5 nights in a row there.
But either over sleep or no sleep, no inbetweens. Boy I HATE when that happens.
Any help here???cuz I cant figure out the solution because I am still --just don-- or better yet --dragging tired--'just don'--
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You and I have the same sleep pattern.
When the doctor had me on 13 homeopathic remedies, I slept like a baby. Had great energy in spite of this stupid disease. Holistic doctors treat emotions as well as disease and something he was giving me really worked for my sleep.
When I moved on in my treatment plan, I found that garlic helped with my sleep. I must need something in the garlic like you need something in the salt.
I am currently taking weekly IV of Dioxychlor to kill the yeast and bacteria in my bloodstream and it seems to be robbing me of my sleep again.
I was at the computer between 2 and 3am this morning. sigh....
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Carol B
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I am very interested in these selpe threads since sleep is so illusive for me. I tried Melatonin from LLMD-but it was weird and I had nightmares. So she gave me Ambien to try.
Since I was tired all the time anyway it's hard to tell what is general fatigue and what is Ambien hangover. But I do like the fact i am not awake all night.
Never heard of salt or garlic as a remedy. What's the difference between hollistic and homeopthic? My LLMD is homeopathic.
I do have a sleep number bed-what's your number??????
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Lately 2 benadril 1 mg klonipin and 3 meletonin have done the trick.
But it is still a struggle. I find if I try to go to bed too early it backfires on me and I can't fall asleep.
I never take all 3 at once. But space them 2 hours apart.
I haven't experienced the nightmares with the meletonin.
Hope you can find something to help you sleep better
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kelmo
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This is very interesting. My daughter has sleep problems. Rozerem seems to be the only thing that works for her, but since it is melatonin based, that explains her nightmares!
You think it's something that changes as the brain chemistry changes? It's wierd...and sad...and frustrating.
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Don, what are we going to do with you?? Man, not sleeping is the pits!!!!
How about time released melatonin by Source Naturals [ www.vitanet.com ], or magnesium and calcium at night?
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I'm FINALLY GETTING SOME SLEEP! Sorry, Don; I've been in your shape for a LONG time; that's why I'm on the lymenet twice daily at UNGODLY hours early am & later am!
My new LLMD had me stay off my abx after all the 6 boxes of special testings I did for: blood, urine, BM, saliva, & mouth swabs.
With my being OFF abx, I have gotten up to 3 hrs. straight with NO pee calls & in bed for up to 8 hours without reading, watching tv, or talking to my friends here!
Also, on my newest set of test results I posted last night; they found my SERONTIN low WHICH has been contributing to my lack of sleep.
Meanwhile, I'm enjoying what I can get since I have sleep apnea too with NO DELTA SLEEP where the body heals and rejuvenates itself.
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Always had this problem to some extent. Just feel that I dont get restorative sleep.
If my body stayed in one position all night, thats a real dream.
Years ago I made my parents buy me a $700 mattress because mine was listing to one side.
Needless to say the new one was worse!!! Then I traded it for a pillow top,, that was no better.
So 4 years ago I started sleeping on parents old matress that they used in the $60s!!!
It was alot better. Now I notice its sagging big time. I wake up in so much pain in the neck and back.
Whats interesting though is this didnt start in the neck or back untill after I started DOXY last month.
Its so funny that were quick to blame the mattress. Even my chiro years ago coulnt figure it out.
Damn disease again.. But im learning to forgive it.
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Anyone with neurological symptoms, has also neurotransmitters that are out of sync that need to be adjusted. You can do it. With some simple supplements and the right food.
Would suggest you get the $10. books I talked about yesterday on my post re Neurotransmitters, and do the test via the link I posted yesterday.
The book gives you every possible serotonin booster if that's what you are lacking. It could be any of the other three major neurotransmitters that is keeping you awake. One of the major four could throw off the other three. A low serotonin does not necessarily mean that that is the culprit that keeps you from sleeping.
If you still have dental infections, most my bets are off. But try to learn to adjust your individual deficient neurotransmitter by getting the info via "The Edge Effect" by Dr. Eric Braverman. It is written for simple-minded people like me and if I understand it, you will too. You will only gain by checking your neurotransmitter deficiencies.
In other words, you can do the test today via the link (pull it up on my post from yesterday). Order the books via Walmart.com. You will have them in a couple days. Then out of the book you will learn to interpret within a half hour what you are lacking and what sets your clock off.
The adjustment takes a while and does not work overnight. But you can get yourself started on something that hardly any allopathic doctor can do for you in this day and age. It does not take a thousand dollar tests to start with. And you might just be able to fix the problem yourself.
Do the half hour test on your computer today, and print out the last page, so that you can keep the results (four different numbers you come up with). Then when you get the book in the mail, follow the instructions after taking the test. The whole test is in the book also, but it is so much easier to do on the computer.
Take care.
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try 5htp from douglass labs,ive tried other 5htps but they arent as good as douglass labs.Dont take 5htp if you are on an SSRI,they both increase seratonin so you dont want to over do it.
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Don, not trying to rub it in to you, but after I typed my comments & on board early this am, took my nap thinking it would be 1-2 hrs. max .... MIRACLE, 4 HRS. STRAIGHT & NO PEE CALL!
It's been 10-20 years since I've had that much sleep at once!
Best wishes for YOUR finding relief as I have lately.
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just don
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Thanks for the replies!!
Caol B.-- My sleep number is 35 or 40. I have to remember to blow her up once or twice a week since she tends to air out too much. Replaced the mattress part a year or two ago. Should replace the control and might help keep me even all night. I notice it stays up better IF I change it over to the other side when I am done puffing. (For others- this is a air mattress bed)Best thing since sliced bread.
Chiro got me on to this -said he had an old BIG rodeo rider who got one and then didnt have to come see him any more, works for me too. Havent been back for over a year. Besides it cost too much these days.
I cant read for long enough to read books. Lucky to glance thru newspaper and a couple trade magazines.
I do still have that nasty lingering dental infection(probably close to at least 2 years or more), will see a PCP this next couple weeks anyway, maybe she can help.
Worst problem for sleepiness is right after eatting big noon meal. need to get up and moving sooner and eat some sunflower seeds to counteract some effects.
Later--just don--
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Carol B
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Actually I got my sleep number bed before they came out with the numbers-mine just has a control for softer/firmer. Worked like a charm for back ache until I developed this frustrating insomnia with Lyme. But now with a dose of Ambien it is sooo comfy again. In fact someone just gave me a good book to read-think I'll go read a little perchance to nap bit more. Carol
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Don, have you been tested for food allergies - mainly wheat and dairy?
"Worst problem for sleepiness is right after eatting big noon meal. need to get up and moving sooner and eat some sunflower seeds to counteract some effects."
Take care.
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I tried every "natural" non scrip product that I know of and none of them helped me at all.
Even bought a lot of the various types of put you to sleep tapes.
Finally I gave in and tried Ambien and it did nothing. Doc gave me a couple muscle relaxers that are suppose to make people sleep = nothing.
I now take Lunesta and fall asleep within 30 minutes. I usually get 5 good hours and sometimes 6 hrs straight.
I dont get up but do some deep breathing and visual imaging and often get a couple more hours of on and off sleep.
I hate taking the sleeping pill but if we dont sleep we dont heal so after a year Im resigned and grateful to have found something.
If I can get myself to sit down and focus at the computer for 30 minutes, someday I will look up the site Gigi talked about.
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I had to get a sleep number bed, too, but I bought it cheaper without the "number" control.(although I had to add foam on top to get the softness I needed because I "hit bottom" because the air chamber was not thick enough!~) I also have a water pillow (like a water bed mattress) that works great, my cousin got from her chiropracters office. I couldn't find any "air pillows"! It really helps my neck!! I also bought this hypnosis cd (for low carb)that I listen to. I bought it to help me stay off sweets, but it also helps me get to sleep! I always fall asleep 1/2 way through and I've never been awake to hear the ending yet! It's about 28 min. long and mostly relaxes you! Maybe that would help, without having to take more pills? I don't know if it'll help you sleep longer or not. The cd is called "Beverly Hills Hypnosis, Relax Your way to Thin (low carb lifestyle) by Trevor H. Scott,C.Ht. I had to buy it over the internet, at one of the book store sites. I think they had other cd's for just relaxing too. Sometimes I just get desperate and try anything!!! Ha!! Posts: 19 | From IL | Registered: Sep 2001
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speaking of mattresses-someone has offered me the use of a magnetic mattress mat or something.I have heard about magnetic therapy but never tried it-especially as something to sleep on.
any experience with this????? Think it's more for aches and pains than sleep.
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I've had sleep problems for years now also. Mostly due to pain, I would constantly wake up every hour or 2. I was on Ambien for a while, but found it not working as well. Switched to Lunesta and some of the homeopathics that everyone mentioned. 5HTP, etc. and now I seem to sleep a good 5-8 hours. What a relief. I still feel fatigue during the day but not as bad as it used to be. Melotonin never worked for me. Also tried muscle relaxants too, with little help. I don't like taking something every night either but it sure is nice to sleep again
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Thanks for all the excellent posts!!! I think I might ask pcp for Lunesta next time I am there.
Wanted to respond to the getting up alot to go to the bathroom. I 'used' to have that problem too, till they put me on Generic cardura. It helps reduce the prostrate's pressure and allows full discharge each time. It also helps blood pressure issues.
I dont know how this relates to the women aspect, does cardura help their bladder elimination also???
I am thirsty and drink alot of water in the evening/night hours, so I do have to get up once or twice during the night.
If you dont drink water or any liquids after say 7 PM, maybe you would not have to rise to go so often???
That worked for a 'very young' child bed wetter at one time!!!
I have quit cold turkey taking handsfuls of Rx. but HAD to keep the pain meds and the cardura to get any sleep. Now cant anyway. Too restless!! Even take some neurotin at bed time too. And a couple tramodole.
Now where do I go??
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