hardynaka
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No doubt now that amalgam/ mercury did/ does harm to my health. I still had doubts until a few weeks ago.
I was feeling great, even like not being sick anymore for more than 2 weeks straight before removing my amalgams (with rubber protection). On the same day I removed amalgams, my fatigue came back strong and it's still there until now (about 6 weeks after), but weaker.
It was like night and day. Still in the AM before going to the dentist, I was great. In the PM, I was tired on bed.
I got newer symptoms like heart pain after exercising, swollen hands and feet, lighter air hunger, skin rashes that didn't itch but bled, skin fungal infection came back, headaches sometimes, high blood pressure, and mostly, extreme fatigue and digestion problems. I was taking about 50 chlorella a day, then lowered to 30 small pellets. Not enough.
In my last appointment with the naturopath, she gave me about 100 chlorella pills, I took at once there. Air hunger came back strong within 5 minutes after chlorella, and disappeared with massage they did on me.
I suppose it released more metals in the beginning, then it binded them after.
Now I'm again on 50 chlorella pellets a day, plus other mercury detox stuff, plus lots of bear garlic tincture, some usual detox herbs and manual lymph drainage.
I started that for the last 4-5 days, my skin is practically clear again, digestion almost perfect, I still haven't gone cycling again as I'm afraid heart pain is related to mercury toxins (also 'detected' with ART). I'll wait until my main mercury detox phase is finished.
Fatigue is also clearing up, but after taking a certain mercury detox formula, I almost fall on the floor of fatigue for about an hour. When I stand up again, I'm like 'normal', almost like not being sick again.
I had changed some amalgams when I had not lyme before, and I don't remember any bad symptom then. But now, I'm pretty sure that what caused the appearance of new symptoms was amalgam removal (this was not really a lyme relapse as many symptoms were new to me).
Anyway, I'm glad to have taken these stuff out of my mouth as I now do believe they are highly toxic.
But I would never take these metal detox stuff alone (without guidance) in high doses as they cause many strange symptoms (lighthead, weakness, feel like under alcohol or drug, could cause light or strong temporary air hunger and a "malaise"). They disappear though fast (within few hours) and after I feel 'normal' again.
One thing I realized too is that my skin all over my body got very soft (behind the neck too). If this is lymph drainage result or metal detox, or both, I don't know.
I'll post again soon about results of mercury detox (just main phase, as it will take months to take most of the stuff out). I think the naturopath will put me on NDF and cilantro soon.
Gotta go, Selma
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OH.....MY.....GOSH!!!!!!
Hardy, I'm getting ready to do the exact same thing. On June 30, the last 3 amalgams come out. It has been years since the other 6 amalgams were removed and like you, I wasn't sick then and had no noticeable reaction. I'm absolutely certain I will probably have strong reaction just like you.
It is a good thing as you say, but scary. GiGi has posted that once the mercury is removed, the lyme symptoms will intensify temporarily. Are you sure that isn't what is happening to you?
Hands and feet are where I am having the most problem. I work hard at keeping the inflamation out of them. I can't stand the thought of them swelling again. You must expel toxins very well if each of your symptoms last only a few hours.
BTW, remember I read you will look 10 years younger? Sounds like the softening of your skin is the beginning of your youthful transition. Are you georgeous yet? :-)
Best of wishes to you!
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Everything you told, Selma, is a perfectly normal reaction. One molecule of that stuff can wipe you out -- thankfully, with the proper guidance of a knowledgable doctor, it is temporary.
The preparation before removal is just as important, and I am not sure that you did that properly because you have a distance to travel to see Sabine and then it is difficult to be tested for what might be necessary.
This is exactly why I have posted here over and over that this cannot be done without professional guidance. Those who do are bound to go on for a long time thinking they still are fighting Lyme and co-infections and who knows what -- while they are doing not much else but shifting heavy metals from one place to the other.
It is a difficult task for even the best doctor to find the right button to push in each patient -- to find how each patient's system works at eliminating the metals. Not one patient is like the next. Don't go it alone.
I am glad, Selma, that you at least now have this ugly stuff out of your teeth. The rest will take a while, with a few ups and downs, that at one point you will not notice any more. Just don't stop detoxing too early. Keep taking the meds she tests for you for several months after all symptoms have abated.
I meet enough people who went through this and it is not a bit different for any of them. With patience, you will get through this. Like Dr. K. always told me many times -- "the only way out, is the way through".
I wish you the very best and you are doing super - even if it feels nasty once in a while.
Take care.
P.S. as for any of the microorganisms (Lyme, virus, etc.) I am sure Sabine will test you as you do your metal detox and will recommend which ones of the herbals for these critters you will be doing alongside your heavy metal release. She will probably help you also with some neural therapy or other energetic activation that she is so familiar with. You are in the best of hands - just make sure you see her or contact her at regular intervals. Your priorities may shift for what is best at certain times. Bb may show, or a virus or one of the others - and you change your intake accordingly as well as the KMT.
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Right after you have the mercury fillings removed (properly) he has you do a vitamin C IV of 25 grams, to get rid of the loose mercury floating around.
I'm not sure if this a correct procedure. But I know thats what he does. I haven't done this yet, but I am planning on it shortly.
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Hi Selma,
I have the same homeopath doc as Lisi, and I go right from the dentist office to his office for the Vit C IV.
I did fine the first time, then got sick after he took out two very big/deep mercury fillings. I had extreme light sensitivity with my eyes, extreme fatigue, headache, irritability and jaw pain.
I am finding out I need to up my dose of chlorella also. I can't wait to finally get them all out. I have one more appointment to go.
Good luck.
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Yes, I do the vitamin C IV each time they get in my mouth and stir things up. It makes me feel better, much faster. I also do Flagyl before, during, and after all dental work.
Hardy,It is great all the stuff you are doing and have done. But I would add COLONICS to your regimen as well. They are the best!
lyme x 9
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i quitted 18 amalgams in 3 months, i finished 1+ year ago; after each removal the symptoms was neck and bone herx, and flu like symtoms, some days; i doubt that great input of mercury can stock into body, too much fast;
i imagine that mercury caused a inmunological activation, but not necesary, mercury also kill the borrelia; mercury was used against sifilis long time when not exist antibiotics (also arsenic); i think that is a borrelia herx;
the herx of mercury removal with chelation was very diferent: full fatigue
i believe that mercury pool is because of break the g6pd activity that supply fresh glutathione that supply metalothionine that transport mercury out of cells; g6pd is cutted as defense against the intracelular parasites; i amn't sure that mercury can make something, i can't find any article about mercury workers; while not proven, i prefer fight only against aliens, i'm sure that later the g6pd and detox ways reactive and clean the mercury of the body
i know directly a case of some improvement in chelation therapy after 1 year; somebody tell that sulfhidric groups used in chelation attack the cyst forms of bb or chlamydia
good luck
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henson2, i don't know if i understand well your message, because my bad english, you can't pay the ways?
in my opinion is the same put a composite, cheap plastic (here 30$), that other 'natural' and 'safe' expensive methods (here 600$), and the input of mercury is not important, the worst form of mercury is the slow and constant dosis, worst the methil; if you take a great quantity simply you **** it; and the test of heavy metals is not valid, because depend of your detox and transport system, and methilmercury of the brain not show it; and not is important have metals in body, only mercury have the long half-life, and cost a lot of years stock it into body, not important have it more time in mouth, is very very slow, and depend more of our bad detox that of toxic inself, because body cut the detox ways for fight to aliens (ifn block the p450, down the g6pd-way because feed the parasite, down gsh because need r.o.s. for kill it, create mineral deficiency for quit it the food,...);
in other ways is the same, is not better the expensive dmsa, dmps, edta, etc that the cheap garlic, cilantro, and full foods; is not better the expensive ceft or ketek that cheap penicilline or tetra; is not better the expensive probiotics that the cheap kefir;
always depend of each person, but you always have good options; sorry if i didn't understand well your message, i don't want tell how make it
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Lisi and Beverly,
Are you being treated with homeopathic remedies by your doc?
There seems to be some confusion regarding the word "homoepathic", so not sure if your doc is a homeopath or a naturopath or exactly what he is.
I plan to work with some homeopathic remedies myself, so am interested in others who may have gone this route.
Tracy
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He says he's a homeopathic doctor, but I'm not sure of the difference myself. He is a LLMD, but he doesn't treat me for lyme. (He is just not as well informed as the LLMD I see in NY.)
He does a hair analysis for heavy metals and what vitamins that your laking in. He does prescribe abx and other things like Nystatin. But he prefers to do as much as he can naturally and holistically.
He believes in getting the body back to sqaure one, getting the body "balanced" I guess. Then the body can help to fight off invaders. He has helped me alot with depression and mood swings.
I personnaly don't believe you can fight Bb just with homeopathic remedies. But I think it does help, just not alone. (My opinion)
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Thanks for the reply, Lisi.
Tracy
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hardynaka
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Hi everybody, good to hear your comments! My first 4 amalgam removal caused me lighter toxic symptoms, but these last 8 amalgams were like a bomb.
The naturopath advised me to take them all out as fast as possible (within 2 weeks) not to stress too much the body for too long.
I should have seen her before to control chlorella and other stuff, but now will try to go more often.
LUVSTORIDE, only 3 amalgams left, I hope you won't suffer much. Take your sulphur and lots of metal detox, I know homeopathy may work too. I got hands and feet swelling (not too bad, but very noticeable). I think lymph drainage is helping. the naturopath took me out of killers, then my knee pain came back in 2 days. I took the 'killers' back, and the pain left. Now I'm pain free.
Yes, I can't see the connection between chelation and soft skin. My skin is sooo soft. I feel the mercury poisoning is going out slowly as I react less and less to the chelating stuff (today, first day without fatigue again).
GIGI, yes it's complicated to see S. often, so I saw her many weeks after removals. Now I'm pretty sure one of the causes of my air hunger were heavy metals.
I didn't really 'believe' such metals could cause so much strain to the body as they did.
What is great is that I'm taking almost no killing herbs and I don't feel bad now. I haven't got my KMT yet, still waiting, so I've been without microcurrents too for the last week and doing still ok!!
Thanks for the encouragement.
LISI adn BEVERLY, I didn't know about iv vit C. I suppose there are quite many protocols... Wish you good luck on the rest of removals.
oH, i GOTTA go, my daughter is crying!
selma
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This is a real interesting thread. I didn't think mercury could cause that many probelms either, I sure hope it makes a big difference for me...and everyone else.
Tracy, Ditto to what Lisi said. Right now he is helping me with Mercury detox,and vitamins, same for my son.
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Hardy,
I'm so happy to hear you are again doing so well. Hope your pain free state of being also means the swelling in your hands and feet are gone.
Your experience gives me great hope!
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I would love to hear some more on this topic as i'm scheduled to have 5 amalgams and a crown replaced next week.
This dentist is wonderful, had a consult with her last week. Takes all the proper precautions, does no mercury or root canals, etc.
My concern is that I'm doing too much too fast. In Selma's post, she said her naturopath encouraged her to do them quickly so as to not stress out the body. That would be fine with me except that I always react so strongly to most everything, meds, herbs, etc.
Any input or experiences appreciated.
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I had a mouth full of amalgams taken out about six years ago. Here's what I learned:
Make sure the dentist uses a rubber dam. Mine said he was an expert, but he just used a piece of gauze. He also used no mask for himself, and died at a young age from a "heart attack."
Make sure to get a vit c IV immediately after each removal. I did not get this with some of the removals, and I crashed so hard I couldn't get up. My "expert" dentist didn't think it was very important to detox with the help of a naturopath. Now I do.
Even with IV c, my recovery time after each removal was a full nine days each time.
Cilantro (tincture is good)crosses the blood-brain barrier, and is supposed to help you remove mercury from the brain.
Prepare for candida from hell. Mercury and candida go together. Prepare to have far fewer candida problems when its all over!!!!
Be aware that novacaine has epinephrine added. It affects people with adrenal/hormonal dysfunction. It gave me the shakes to the point that I had to halt treatment for hours until the epi (and novacaine) wore off. You can ask for novacaine without epinephrine. Put it in writing. I still had a dentist use it on me after I told him not to. He forgot.
If I had it to do over, I'd do it all in one marathon shot!!!!! I went through a year of intermittent hell and recovery. I believe it was much harder on my system that way than getting it done all at once.
I'm so glad I did it. My health improved dramatically after amalgam removal. I stayed very, very well for two years after, until sleep deprivation caused an undiagnosed lyme relapse.
Best of luck with your removals and/or recovery. I hope you eventually feel as well afterwards as I did!
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Bejoy, Thanks for all the good info. I have read several times here about the Vit. C. IV. I will ask the dentist if she can provide that since I'm traveling 5 hours to get to her.
Good point about the novocaine too as I have a very irritable nervous system and heart sometimes.
This dentist is adamant about protecting her and the staff during the procedure and both wear face masks (not the cloth kind but a double barrel carbon) I believe. so we are covered there.
I have been debating about doing it in increments or the whole thing. Finally just scheduled the whole thing at once becuase of convenience. I still have time to reschedule if I change my mind.
Thanks for the input. Much appreciated.
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Cosmic, Selma and friends,
I'd encourage you to read up on mercury elimination as much as possible, and work with a naturopath if possible during and after the removal. I would have had a better time with more knowledgeable guidance.
There are probably many posts here about Vit C, cilantro, chlorella, Reduced L-Glutathione, and sweats.
I wish you the best possible results!
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It's funny to read my own post about amalgam removals of about a year ago... I didn't do it very properly as I was working with a separate dentist, doctor and naturopath. I would do a bit different if I had to re-do it.
Cover myself with chlorella and bear garlic, certainly, much more than I did. With hundreds of chorella pills would be one thing, before and many many days after. Go slow on killing during this time.
Probably trying the IV vit C, it can't do harm, but it messes up with the chlrella, so timing would be important (vit C makes chlorella loses binding properties, if I remember well).
I'm very convinced of the relation metals-fungi in my body, as everytime (every time for a year!!!) that I use metal detox supps, I have an increase of fungi growth which is clear. To this day!! So I would keep some fungi killers at hand. As BEJOY say, expect some sort of fungi/Candida attack.
So it means, the lose metals feed the fungi or there's certainly some synergistic relation between lose metals and fungi reproduction. I've read that many times through other people's experiences with chelation.
Lymph drainage is something I would have done after amalgam removals. At that time, I didn't know about it. It relieves me from many intoxication symptoms fast, it's amazing, specially jitterness.
I would also take Destroxin, loads of fibers, eggs, etc, all the things Gigi recommends when metal detoxing. Another thing that I wouldn't abandon would be homeopathy, for organ support as kidneys and liver do get very stressed.
I went to 'normal' condition rather fast, at least, one of times I removed them, as I visited my naturopath after and she did that desintoxication of chlorella with me! My severe air hunger was linked to that metal intoxication, I believe now.
Lungs ART tested high also with lead.
Another thing that works AS A METAL DETOXIFIER sometimes, for me. Loads of minerals. I take a mineral powder, then some capsules of zinc/ selenium etc. Of course, not to be taken simultaneously with chlorella (at least, I don't take these together). Sometimes, the effect is the same as of chlorella, you feel the minerals detoxing your body of metals (Gigi is again right).
BEJOY, glad to hear you felt improvement after amalgam removals, even remission!!!
I also think I would do in a one marathon shot if I could. My naturopath thinks so too as it's too stressful for the body. I did it in two times.
Then comes the slow part, the metal detox... I'm still on this journey, entering my second year!
CHRONIC, good luck with removing your amalgams.
Selma
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Re Vitamin C -
Dr. Yoshiaki Omura, the discoverer of Chinese Parsley = Cilantro as a detox agent (lots of research in Japan and here), found that Cilantro is neutralized by vitamin C and by garlic.
Therefore these agents should be used in tandem rather than simultaneously.
Patients can also develop allergic (usually mild) reactions to the agents used requiring the use of another substance or a therapeutic pause.
That's what taught me over my years of detox to always take breaks in whatever I am taking - changing them around a bit - including other agents and going back to earlier ones.
Take care.
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Hi Bejoy,Selma and Gigi. Thanks for the replies
Selma--I bet it odd to read your post that has been brought up again. It seems that there is a lot of duplicate info here so I like to revive a thread instead of starting a new one. A sort of recycling project for Earth Day.
I have been following your progress throughout your recovery so I truly value your input. Is the lymph drainage a specific type of treatment that you have done? Do you think the type we do at home massaging lymphatic areas is good enough?
Gigi--Is cilantro affected by MSM too? I have been searching to find the info that I read of what substance to substitute if you can't tolerate chlorella? I want to be prepared with everything when I go out of town for this dental work.
Thanks for all the help, I will report back with all details.
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GIGI, great info on vit. C and reactions...
Yes, I always take breaks in detoxing, that's too tiring.
CHRONIC, I wonder if there's a substitute for chlorella... I would also like to know as it's the herb I take MOST since I started lyme treatment.
I guess you won't be taking cilantro immediately after amalgam removal, as this will mobilize more stuff. It could be already tough to eliminate only the mercury from amalgam removals, in my view.
I only started on mobilizers a few weeks or months after using chlorella only. If I understood well, that's how my naturopath works with most of her patients.
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I didn't think mercury could cause that many probelms either, I sure hope it makes a big difference for me...and everyone else.
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