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Hi, I am planning on trying bee venom this week for some unresolved skin issues from lyme. Wanted to hear if others have ever tried this or know of anyone who has. I would love to speak with other Lymies who have tried. Thanks in advance, Focus
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I did quite a bit of bee venom; so did my husband. So do many if not most Dr. K. patients. In fact, bee venom is his own favorite for his own Lyme.
go to www.neuraltherapy.com I think there is also an article on bee venom therapy on his site. He fixed many a sore knee with it.
Take care.
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Gigi, How did the bee venom help you exactly? What did you notice got better? Did you have any skin issues? Thanks, Focus
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Focusonsurvival, The bee venom is used systemically as well as on specific body areas/target areas. We know by now that there is hardly a single modality that will cure Lyme; so I literally did a hundred different ones, including bee venom. The total of all finally got me well.
Here is my doctor's publication, quite old now, how bee venom is used for Lyme in his practice.
If you have a skin problem, I am guessing at that, you might want to contact Michael Simics in British Columbia (phone number somewhere below) and ask him for specific applications. I did have a bee venom cream from Europe at one time to apply to swollen knee, etc., but the neural therapy with bee venom was much more effective. It depends what skin issues you have??
Bee Venom The pain relieving effect of bee venom in the treatment of clinical conditions similar to Lyme disease has been established a long time ago. Bee venom contains a number of potent peptides which are responsible for its healing effect ("Bee Venom Therapy for Chronic Pain,'' Dietrich Klinghardt, J. of Neurol and Orthop. Med and Surg., Vol. 11, Issue 9, Oct 1990, pp. 195-197). Recent research proved that one of the peptides in bee venom, melittin, has a strong inhibitory effect on the Lyme spirochete at very low doses (``Bee Stings as Lyme Inhibitor'' by L. L. Lubke and C. F. Garon, J. Clin. Infect. Diseases, July 1997, 25 Suppl. 1, pp. 48-51). When the spirochete is inhibited it does not multiply and is vulnerable to the host's own immune system and to medication.
The dosage and frequency of treatment is determined by the patient's clinical response. Patients with Babesia or Mycoplasma infections require higher dosages then those with only B. burgdorferi infections.
Different bee venoms are on the market. I use the product VeneX, which comes in two different strengths: VeneX-10 and VeneX-20 (Table 1.). VeneX-20 is twice as concentrated as VeneX-10. VeneX-10 contains 1.0 mg of bee venom per 1.0 ml. A 0.1 ml of this solution delivers approximately the same amount of bee venom as a natural bee sting. The content of melittin in bee venom is dependent on where it is collected on the hive; the season and the pollen source the bees have access to at the time. Generally between one third and one half of the venom is melittin. Because of these variables the symptoms seen on administration of the venom can also vary. Bee venom is used for desensitization and is approved with the FDA for this purpose. There is an official monograph in the Homeopathic Pharmacopoea of the United States (HPUS), also recognized by the FDA.
Table 1. Comparison of Venom Solutions. Product Vial Size (ml) DVSE*/vial DVSE*/1.0 ml DVSE*/0.1 ml DVSE*/0.05 ml VeneX-10 9.0 90 10 1 0.5 VeneX-20 12.5 250 20 2 1 * Dried Venom Sac Equivalent (DVSE): 0.1 mg bee venom
The average maintenance dosage is 1.0 ml of VeneX-10 (or 0.5 ml of VeneX-20) mixed with 2.0 ml preservative free buffered procaine (available from ApotheCure in Dallas, TX) injected subcutaneously, given between one and three times weekly for 6-12 months. Even though much of the venom's effect is systemic, independent of the location where it is given, additional benefits are observed by injecting the venom in specific target areas.
These areas include: All tender areas in the body, transition areas in the body, where soft tissue meets bone, the occipital nuchal line, above and below the zygoma, around the mastoid and jaw bone, the para-sternal area, the spinous processes of the vertebrae; The kidney and adrenal area (often palpation reveals significantly tender areas); The thymus (upper end of the sternum); Painful joints (in the most tender areas); Acupuncture points (Bladder 23 for stimulating the adrenals, Gallbladder 1 to improve Lyme related problems with vision, Bladder 10 and Gallbladder 20 to stimulate melittin uptake into the brainstem (cranial nerve problems), Kidney 3 to improve Lyme related kidney dysfunction, etc.); Neural therapy points: over the mastoid to improve Lyme related hearing and balance problems (for more information on Neural Therapy: call American Academy of Neural Therapy, Inc., at 206- 749 9967); Over the vagus nerve: to treat Lyme related dental and jaw problems (infected jaw bone, cavitations, Lyme related chronic pulpitis/sensitive teeth); Frankenhauser points: to treat Lyme related bladder problems, pelvic/prostate/sexual dysfunction.
Procedure Distribute the 2.5-3.0 ml bee venom and procaine mix over 10 areas, using 0.25 ml to 0.3 ml per injection. The injection is given with a 30 g 1/2 `` needle. The needle is advanced just deep enough for the needle tip to barely reach beyond the sensory skin nerves. If it burns, the needle is not deep enough. If it never burns, most likely the injections are given too deep, where the medication will be quickly flushed away by the blood stream and lymphatics, without having the much-desired local effect. For a 1/2''long needle this means that the needle is inserted into the skin less than half way.
These injections should be painless and well tolerated. There is a welling up, itchiness and aching after 10 minutes or so, which becomes less with an increasing number of treatments. The discomfort may increase during the first four or five treatments and then lessen over time. The initial response determines the treatment frequency. The first injection often triggers an increase in well being and a decrease of pain levels after a few hours; sometimes as late as 24 hours after the injection. The initial improvement may last between 12 hours and several days. This determines if the patient needs to be treated once a day or as little as once/week. If the improvement is less than desired a higher dose of bee venom may be needed.
I start with a low initial dose of 0.3 ml VeneX-10 or 0.15 ml VeneX-20 to ride out the often strong initial reactions. Over the next treatments I increase the dose, depending on the response, rather rapidly to the full treatment dose (Table 2. and Table 3.). It is wise to wait with injecting around the head until the patient no longer has strong local reactions (redness, swelling).
1st 0.6 0.3 0.9 3 3 x 0.3 ml 2nd 1.0 0.5 1.5 5 5 x 0.3 ml 3rd 1.4 0.7 2.1 7 7 x 0.3 ml 4th and ... 2.0 1.0 3.0 10 10 x 0.3 ml Dried Venom Sac Equivalent (DVSE): 0.1 mg bee venom
Table 3. VeneX-20 and Procaine Calculation Table. Session Procaine(ml) VeneX-20(ml) Procaine & VX-20(ml) DVSE *("bee sting") Administration Injection / Dose 1st 0.6 0.15 0.75 3 3 x 0.25 ml 2nd 1.0 0.25 1.25 5 5 x 0.25 ml 3rd 1.4 0.35 1.75 7 7 x 0.25 ml 4th and ... 2.0 0.5 2.5 10 10 x 0.25 ml * Dried Venom Sac Equivalent (DVSE): 0.1 mg bee venom
We have taught many patients to treat themselves with this procedure. It is far less painful than the use of live bees. However, treatment with live bees does not involve the use of technical supplies and is often the only practical alternative.
If live bees are used I recommend reading the textbook by Charles Mraz and the other literature supplied by Apitronic Services (Tel.: 604-271-9414). I also recommend using the Multi Treatment Mesh (MTM) or SoftSting devices by the same company that allows the bee to not loose its stinger, survive the procedure and return to its hive.
Caution: Everyone who uses bee venom on domestic animals or humans must have an Anakit, Epipen or other medically approved ``bee-sting kit,'' within immediate reach. The Anakit contains a pre-drawn syringe with epinephrine, an oral antihistamine and instruction sheet. The Epipen contains epinephrine in a self-injecting form.
Recommendation: should the patient experience a systemic reaction (usually within minutes) with airway restriction, I recommend to inject one third (1/3rd) of the epinephrine subcutaneously into the palmar (soft) side of the forearm (same depth as the bee venom injection). The wheezing will stop at the price of an agitated feeling in the patient. Now he/she should take the antihistamine (swallow the pill), which takes 15-20 minutes to work. During this time, a second injection with epinephrine may be needed. In 20 years of using bee venom, I never needed to use this procedure. However, I have always combined bee venom with procaine, which prevents most allergic reactions.
Clinical observations: many cases of chronic fatigue, MS, ALS, memory loss, jaw problems, etc. are really undiagnosed Lyme disease. With the new Lyme laboratory test many of these cases can be appropriately diagnosed. The treatment outlined here is in my experience very gentle and yet the most successful approach.
Herbs -- Monastery of Herbs, Los Angeles, Tel.: 818-360 4871
Herbs protocol -- Dr. Zhang, MD, LAc of New York, web site: www.dr-zhang.com
Lab test -- C6 Lyme Peptide ELISA test -- BBI Clinical Laboratories, test code: 556 - C6LPE, Tel.: 1-800-866-6254 or 860-225 1900
Multi Treatment Mesh (MTM) or SoftSting -- Apitronic Services, Tel.: 604-271-9414
Neural Therapy and Autonomic Response Testing workshops and resources -- American Academy of Neural Therapy, Inc., (AANT) 410 East Denny Way, Suite 18, Seattle, WA, USA, Tel.: 206-749-9967, Fax: 206-723-1367, E-mail: [email protected], Web Site: www.neuraltherapy.com
RESOURCES FOR INFORMATION Books, Booklets and Literature Beck, B. F., MD (1997) The Bible of Bee Venom Therapy. Health Resources Press, Inc., Silver Spring, MD, USA, book, ISBN 1-890708-03, pp. 238. Reprint of the original 1935 edition of Dr. Beck: Bee Venom Therapy - Bee Venom, Its Nature, and Its effect on Arthritic and Rheumatoid Conditions. (available from Apitronic Services: Tel.: 604-271-9414)
Broadman, J., MD (1997) Bee Venom - The Natural Curative for Arthritis and Rheumatism. Health Resources Press, Silver Spring, MD, USA, book, ISBN 1-890708-01-3, references, index, glossary, foreword by Harold Goodman, DO, pp. 224 (available from Apitronic Services: Tel.: 604-271-9414)
Klinghardt, D. K., MD (1990) Bee Venom Therapy for Chronic Pain. The Journal of Neurological & Orthopedic Medicine & Surgery, Vol. 11, No. 3, pp. 195-197
Klinghardt, Dietrich, MD (1999) Treatment Protocol for Bee Venom Therapy. Apitherapy Education Service - Apitronic Services, Richmond, BC, Canada, booklet, 11 pp.
Lubke, L. L. and Garon, C. F. (1997) Bee Stings as Lyme Inhibitor. J. Clin. Infect. Diseases, July, 25 Suppl. 1, pp. 48-51
Marinelli, Rick, ND and Klinghardt, Dietrich, MD (1999) Methodology for Injectable Bee Venom Therapy. Apitherapy Education Service - Apitronic Services, Richmond, BC Canada, 12 pp.
Mraz, Charles (1994) Health and the Honeybee. Queen City Publications, Burlington, VT, USA, ISBN 0-9642485-0-6, pp. vii+92 (available from Apitronic Services: Tel.: 604-271-9414)
Organizations American Apitherapy Society, Inc., 5390 Grande Rd., Hillsboro, OH 45133 USA, Tel.: 937-364-1108, Fax: (937) 364-9109, e-mail: [email protected], web page: www.apitherapy.org/aas
American Academy of Neural Therapy, Inc., 410 East Denny Way, Suite 18, Seattle, 98122 USA, Tel.: 206-749-9967, Fax: 206-723-1367, e-mail: [email protected], web page: www.neuraltherapy.com
Bee Venom Therapy Supplies and Books Bee venom products and therapy related books, literature and Apitherapy Education Service. Apitronic Services 9611 No. 4 Road Richmond, BC Canada, V7A 2Z1 Ph./Fax: 604-271-9414 e-mail: [email protected] www.beevenom.com
Conversion Table 0.10 ml = 0.10 cc 0.60 ml = 0.60 cc 0.20 ml = 0.20 cc 0.70 ml = 0.70 cc 0.30 ml = 0.30 cc 0.80 ml = 0.80 cc 0.40 ml = 0.40 cc 0.90 ml = 0.90 cc 0.50 ml = 0.50 cc 1.00 ml = 1.00 cc
Hope this helps and take care.
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