timaca
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ok...so I got everyone's input on the type of garlic supplement that you like.
Now for the second question...How much do you take? Please state your brand as well, perhaps along with how much garlic is in it.
(I know that info varies from brand to brand--making it all very confusing! )
Thanks in advance....Timaca
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BioPure - I take 8 caps per day.
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Dr. K. recommends taking organic garlic to titration, i.e. until you start to smell a bit via skin, and then cut back slightly from there. Before you lose your friends!
That should guide you irrespective of how much of the actual garlic is in the capsule. It is the potency that is important.
I recall Dr. K. recommends around 9-12 capsules of the Biopure Organic, and then cutting back from there.
It is very, very effective for literally any bug!
Take care.
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Hello, Are the beneficial sulfides and allicin still active in the garlic supplement? I've been reading studies on how significant these are in malaria treatment. I've been taking it in a natural detox recipe and feel pretty good.
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quote:Originally posted by GiGi: Dr. K. recommends taking organic garlic to titration, i.e. until you start to smell a bit via skin, and then cut back slightly from there. Before you lose your friends!
That should guide you irrespective of how much of the actual garlic is in the capsule. It is the potency that is important.
I recall Dr. K. recommends around 9-12 capsules of the Biopure Organic, and then cutting back from there.
It is very, very effective for literally any bug!
Take care.
WOW, GiGi, that is a LOT more than I take. WHAT size are the capsules? "0", "00" or "000"
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Thanks for everyone's replies. I was thinking about taking 3 tablets a day, but I can see that I may need to up that a bit!
I decided to take 3 different brands....the Biopure, which has yet to arrive; New Chapter's Garlicforce and Phyto-Pharmica's Garlitrin 4000.
I thought about taking Dr. Z's garlic but I heard it makes people stink! I don't need that!
Of course Garlicforce and Garlitrin both claim to be the best. It is frustrating to try to compare labels.
Garlitrin says it has 4,000 mg of fresh garlic based on the German Commission E monograph; minimum of 5,000 mcg of allicin and minimum of 11,000 mcg of alliin.
Garlicforce claims to have garlic supercritical extract (whatever that is) 80 mg; garlic hydroethanolic extract 160 mg and it says that one capsule satisfies the daily garlic requirements set by the most rigorous German standards.
Any input?? They both look like decent brands, and of course you all recommended Biopure, so I ordered that.
Maybe I'll need to take 2 each of the 3 brands daily, instead of the one each that I was planning on....
Timaca
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hey timaca
I read an article that said tke it like an ABX every 4-6 hours. And also important to take with food. I found this helps reduce stomach upset.
When I was pounding down the garlic it also made me sweat more. Which in retropect was a good thing to raise my body temp and detox too.
You'll work it out. Sometimes by trial and error. Because our body's react so differently. From meds to supps.
Good luck. I really believe in garlic's theraputic nature and believe it helps alot.
here's a link I find interesting. Specially the part further down where it talks about garlic's unique ABX property's:
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GiGi
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I posted this several years ago on this site. It still as true today as it was then.
Garlic needs to be taken following a meal, while you are still sitting and the digestive juices are still flowing.
It took Dr. K. 18 months to find a farm that produces clean organic garlic and that is then processed - freeze dried with great care. He tried a couple of brands over the years and he was not satisfied with them.
Garlic absorbs toxins from the ground and environment where it is grown - the very reason we are taking it. So using garlic from China --- you might as well not take any. I have not found any organic garlic from China yet!
What follows is a talk following a heavy 3-day seminar when doctors and practitioners were asking how best to use garlic.
I was treated with very litte antibiotics myself and really used garlic for a couple of years. It was one of my major "anti-all-bugs". And it is obvious that it did a great job. I haven't had a Lyme symptom going on six years. I did not cure myself with garlic - as I have posted several times, I did a lot of other modalities/therapies.
Here are Dr. K's words from a few years ago:
"A little bit about garlic...... The issue came up - many of you have heard me speak on garlic. First of all, here is the study on garlic --- on h. pilori - it is extremely effective to give freeze-dried garlic, or in this case garlic oil for h. pylori, which is one of the major infections that we are dealing with these days.
Here is a German study - a comparison between Bear Garlic and garlic. Bear garlic is wild garlic, which is the plant that grows in Central Europe and is absolutely great. That's what the old Germanic tribes used to do - they attacked Rome and brought the Roman Empire down in April, of whatever year that was, because in March is when the bear garlic comes out and they cut and are eating the leaves of the bear garlic and they are getting so much energy from it, they don't know what to do with it. Their hormone levels go up, all their infections go away, and .... (laughingly) the Germanic Tribes they were doing this thing every March, beginning of April they would eat bear garlic and cleared out all the parasites, all the infections, and then went and conquered Rome and did all these other things..... All of it is long forgotten, but it has an effect on you and one of the reasons I always go in April to Germany is - my friend overthere he grows hugh plantation of bear garlic among the trees in the woods and makes me this bear garlic pesto. I do four weeks of bear garlic pesto and can tell you that it is for me incredible.....
A little bit about Allicin. Garlic is associated with this compound allicin, which has been shown to be the most potent natural antibiotic. (showing an exhibit of MIT) It is extremely effective for Staph aureus, and some of the physicians among you know that there is no antibiotic left that's effective. Well, there is plenty of research that shows that freeze-dried garlic is absolutely 100% effective for it, and it puzzles me that science ignores that. This is from peer-reviewed journals, not small stuff. Candida - may be important for you - that freeze-dried garlic is an absolute for treating candida.
Let me talk about Allicin. Garlic contains alliin. Which is the chemical precursor to allicin, and they get converted to allicin through an enzyme called alliinase that happens when you chew garlic. When you break up the cell membrane of the plant cells, the enzyme that is in the cell wall gets released and combines with alliin and then allicin is created in 20 seconds.
Allicin has a half life of 10 days. Any of the garlic products that you buy - garlic oil, kyotic garlic, etc. - there is no allicin left in it. So any prior experience you have had with any garlic products, other than fresh garlic, forget that. Erase that out of your mind ``tried garlic once and it didn't work'' - put that on the side. The only garlic products that have their full allicin- releasing potential left is fresh garlic and freeze-dried garlic.
When you swallow garlic, when you chew it for a few seconds and wait for 20 seconds before the conversion after you chew it, and it hits the stomach acid, the enzymes are immediately neutralized and the conversion doesn't happen. So if you take raw garlic and eat it, it doesn't happen either. If you eat it on a full stomach (on a full stomach the Ph comes up from 1.5 to 4.5); you can eat it at the end of a meal and the conversion happens. You chew the garlic, the enzymes activate it, you swallow it, it doesn't get killed by the stomach acid, and you get the full allicin release from it.
Chewing garlic has the disadvantage has the disadvantage that you smell like...........
When you eat garlic, you smell. When you take freeze-dried garlic in capsules, there is no body odor. There is a mild body odor that you can detect if you go close to the skin of the person who is taking it.
Garlic is also very effective for treatment of amoebas and giardia, most species of worms; in Lyme Disease - Dr. Zhang in New York published papers on the effectiveness that allicin also penetrates the blood-brain barrier and goes to the CSF and can clean up things there. (does not use Zhang's garlic - tried it - is not as effective ---gg)
It is really a fantastic agent for our time. The way to take it is 2-3 capsules at the end of each meal - needs to be taken at least three times a day, better four times a day, just like penicillin. Remember, penicillin you have to take every six hours, you have to take it four times a day to make it work, and the same with freeze-dried garlic. It is great for general health. Question: Do you chew up these capsules?
Answer: Freeze-dried garlic - you swallow it at the end of a meal when the Ph has come up; then the juices in the gut mix with the garlic, put it in solution, activate the conversion and you get the whole shebang (sp?) of the allicin release.
I want you to try to remember that any time that any prior experience, when people talk about garlic ``yeh, tried it and worked a little bit'' or so, they didn't do it right, I promise you. If you follow these rules, it becomes the most powerful medicine that we have.
It is also for ......... clostridium, there is a study there - some of the modern infections that we have no solutions for in medicine, try garlic.
Question: either the fresh or the freeze-dried - you want to take following the meal?
Answer: Yes, there is no point - if you cook garlic, you destroy the enzyme. Also if you put it on your salad - most people eat their salad before the meal, forget it - it doesn't work.
Question: You want it to be activated after it hits your stomach?
Answer: yes. If you can't take the capsule, put it in water, stir it, wait 20 seconds until the conversion happens, then drink it. Then it won't be destroyed by the stomach acid.
The best solution for topical problems - use garlic tincture on the skin, by far the best garlic tincture is from ----- . Even though the garlic is broken up in small particles where there are still some cells intact, the moment you put it on the skin, from the drying-effect the cells rupture, the allicin is released and it is a great antimicrobial. So for fungal infections (feet and everywhere) use garlic tincture - major for staph infections on the skin (freeze dried garlic inside - tincture outside).
Tincture is also great to use orally. Great for gum disease. Do it at night - slush it around in your mouth, go to bed, don't swallow it - just sort of leave it there, and it kills all the microorganisms. If you have a partner, if you both do it (there is this habituation to the garlic taste and smell), if your partner also does it, in the morning either one of you can smell each other and will not be offended by it.
It is a powerful tool of the past and of the future."
( and nothing will work if you do not treat your heavy metal toxicities -- or take care of dental infections! I will bet a million on that. Everyone has a choice. )
Hope you will be bug-free soon. Take care.
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timaca
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Thanks for all the info everyone. Early this morning, I noticed garlic breath on myself. Wonder if my husband is noticing...
Gigi~ I lived for many years in WA state...first Seattle, then Olympia. Beautiful country up there, although a bit rainy on the western side of the Cascades.
Garlic, here we come!
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I get severe heartburn with 500mg of organic garlic but I sure herx. Any suggestions?
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Not sure I have posted this before:
Garlic has been shown to protect the white and read blood cells from oxidative damage caused by metals in the blood stream - on their way out - and also has its own valid detoxification functions. Garlic contains numerous suphur components, including the most valuable sulph-hydryl groups which oxidize mercury, cadmium and lead and make these metals water soluble. This makes it easy for the organism to excrete these substances.
Garlic also contains alliin which is enzymatically transformed into allicin, nature's most potent antimicrobial agent.
Metal toxic patients almost always suffer from secondary infections, which are often responsible for part of the symptoms.
Garlic also contains the most important mineral which protects from mercury toxicity, bio active selenium. Most selenium products are poorly absorbable and do not reach those body compartments in need for it. Garlic selenium is the most beneficial natural bioavailable source.
Garlic is also a protective for - against heart disease and cancer.
The half life of allicin (after crushing garlic) is less than 14 days. Most commercial garlic products have no allicin releasing potential left. This distinguishes freeze dried garlic from all other products. Bear garlic tincture is excellent for use in detox, but less effective as an antimicrobial agent.
Dosage: 1-3 capsules freeze dried garlic after each meal. Start with 1 capsule after the main meal per day, slowly increas to the higher dosage. Initially the patient may experience die-off reactions (from killing pathogenic fungal or bacterial organisms). Use 5-10 drops bear garlic on food at least 3 times per day.
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I didn't know you herxed on garlic. Now I know why I have been so sick. That's good to know. I had to stop it but will be starting back very soon. Thanks for all the info. I can always find the answer when I come here.
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I'm still looking for the answer to can you take the garlic & antibiotic at the same time.
I read through all the garlic posts and cannot find any reference to this.
Anyone?
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timaca
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I had asked Dr. Z about whether or not you can do his protocol along with antibiotics and he said yes. His protocol uses garlic.
I ended up having to cut my garlic intake back to 3 pills a day. I had been at 6 and got "heartburn". Whether that was the garlic or not, I'm not sure, but it did subside with cutting back on the garlic.
I just had a blood draw this morning for cholesterol. It will be interesting to see if the garlic had any effect on that.
Timaca
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I swear by garlic as a fabulous yeast-killer.
I sometimes herx on it and have to ramp up slowly - whether it's a candida herx or a bacterial herx, who knows, but garlic works.
Garlic is a natural blood-thinner.
So those of you on heparin or lumbrokinase or similar anti-coagulants should ask your LLMD about garlic dosages.
Take care, Jill
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