I used the Program 1 (borrelia, bart and co-infects) today, thinking to use program 2 (borrelia, babesia and co-infec) tomorrow and so on for a few weeks.
For how long would you recommend using the programs? I'm waiting the answer of the naturopath who suggested me the KMT, but any other opinion would be welcome!
I will also give her amoxy for 21 days in case no symptoms appear (Burrascano's guidelines), just to be sure.
Selma
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If it were my child, I would use KMT, but I would also ensure that I was working with a knowledgeable doctor that would take the potential of Lyme disease seriously. Better to be over-safe than sorry. Be well, Scott
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Um, what is KMT?
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Selma, I am pretty sure Scott is right on. But to make sure, I am contacting Dr. K. who is "on the road" and a couple of other people who deal with this all the time. So check back - I will be back as soon as I hear from any of them.
Wish these darn ticks would eat frogs instead of bothering sweet little ones!
Take care.
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Selma, here is what Dr. K. told me:
"I would trust the amoxy and add only the KMT frequency 1 and 2 and would run each frequency each day. The local area can be treated with bee venom ointment which is easily available in Europe at most pharmacies. If she has it, the freeze dried garlic adds a beautiful element. I would give her some 3 times per day after meals for 4 months (way beyond the antibiotic)"
My other very experienced ART practitioner told me: If at all possible it is best to treat until the child goes yin (ART) if you can have the child tested. It is best to alternate programs l and 2 every day as it is an acute case. Also the Lyme homeopathic and herbs from Biopure would be good to test as well.
Hope you can take your baby to Sabine to do some testing.
Best wishes to you and your family.
Take care.
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Gigi MANY THANKS for you, Dr. K. and the other ART practioner! I'm deeply grateful!
I went to see Dr. B. to ART test her, just in case. Everything was negative, but he told me, anyway, to keep an eye on her.
He also gave me homeopathic nosodes for the lyme virus that causes encephalitis (for a next tick bite) plus bee venon ointment (but homeopathic). I will try to find dr. K's suggestion (supposedly non-homeopathic) here in Germany.
As for homeopathics, I'm giving her lyme nosodes and ledum/ hypericum as preventive. Will do that for about 10-14 days. Her homeopath suggested me to add her element (which is lycopodium) every day for a few weeks.
Sab. suggested Notrakel Tropfen, royal gely and propolis (can't do bad!).
I tried some Buhner's herbs, I think astragalus is great and not awful taste. But the very bitter andrographis, even in honey, is impossible to swallow (she swallowed it twice, and now she got icky of honey).
So I will try to mask the frozen garlic taste as suggested by Dr. K., but I'm not sure she'll take it (as the frozen powder tastes very strong, I already tried it). Will try again with something sweat.
Royal gelly and propolis are good alternatives as I already gave her with sucess.
And will continue the KMT, I think anyway. If she's got a blank tick bite this time, it's anyway good as training for me for the next real infected bite.
My husband is against the use of antibiotic for her for too long. Dr. B. also against it (as she tested negative), as well as, I think, Sab. (she didn't say that directly but that's what I feel -as it would be contrary to stregthen immune system). Will ask her again. I'm not sure if I'll continue giving her amoxy for longer than 10 days then...
Scott, thanks for your opinion! I totally agree with that!
Selma
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Hi Selma,
When I was four I got infantile paralysis... Probably due to in utero infection of lyme disease as yet unheard of in 1954.
I remember they treated me with shots in the butt for a long time(too young to remember how long).
I suspect it was penicillin.
Anyway...my suspected lyme went into remission until my adult life and possible re-infestation or worsening due to prescribed steroids due to missdiagnosis.
My point is this...When I was taking ammox and doxy for six months orally after reinfection I got my symptoms down to three days a month...I used this protocol for SIX months...when the ducks took me off of it I relapsed in a month and one half...
In the years I have had this disease one of the worst things I took were the B-pollen/Royal Jelly products....
Depending on your situation...keep an eye on your kid...
I would'nt be so quick to cancel abx treatments.
How about if you're that close to the German guy who preaches about Diflucan/penecillin protocol giving that a try.
If it were my kid...I would be just slightly hesitant of taking advice from someone who thinks water has cognitive abilities...
zman
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Well, Mr. Nasty, lymie tony z, the German who believes water has memory has helped cure me and my husband several years ago now from a terrible case of Lyme. He has helped thousands of chronically ill, including cancers, ALS's, MS's, and whatever you may call them to get well and stay well. Many live a very happy healthy life because he has a brain to think with. I wish you would meet a doctor like that.
You would do well to respect healthy water. Because without it, you are very dead.
Take care.
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Hardynaka
Sorry your daughter got an attatched tick bite.
If it where me I would find a LLMD and get her on abx as soon as possible and then you can add the KMT device. I wouldn't want to take any chances.
Good luck to you and Sending up prayers for your daughter
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HI TonyZ, sorry to hear your life story.
I was not a believer on Dr. K.'s treatment until I tried it myself with good results. I'm still sick, but slowly improving.
The KMT is the best thing I got these last months and I start to be a firm believer it helps cronic lymees. Dont' know about newly infected ones, that's why I posted this.
And Gigi and Dana, thanks again for your input.
I'm giving her amoxy side by side with many alternative stuff + KMT. If she has no stomach cramps or intestinal problems we'll do it for at least 3 weeks as preventive and then continue with the alternative stuff for about 2 months time, get her tested (ART and conventional) and then see what to do next.
for the moment, I can't do only alternative as my daughter is still small, can't swallow pills, and is very hard to convince to swallow bitter or strong herbs 3-4 times a day.
thanks alot for all your suggestions!
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just to add that here in switzerland, no doctor I know prescribes preventive abx, sio I'm doing that alone.
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Is it really necessary to treat a propably healthy child with ABX plus dr K.'s protocol plus Buhner herbs - as a prevention?
Do you want to practice this every time your child is getting a tick bite? Or keep her indoors all the time?
Sometimes even docs and husbands might be a voice of reason.
Just my two cents.
Don't be afraid too much.
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Hi Selma,
That little piece I sent you was a miniscual part of my life...but I thought pertinent to your childs care...
some day I'll share the "rest of the story" with folks around here...
Not necessary right now...just thought of your child.
GIGI, I did'nt call you any names...why did you Digress into name calling?
Shame on you....
I cannot go along with any "doctor" or patron of a "doctor" who believs WATER...has cognitive powers....
It fly's in the face of everything I believe in as scientific....
or even logically believable.
It also takes a big chunk out of their credability.
I'm NOT NASTY,,,just very concerned about a mother who may have a very sick child on her hands.
BUT I can become nasty if you prefer...don't go pokin me dear.
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quote: Well, Mr. Nasty, lymie tony z, the German who believes water has memory has helped cure me and my husband several years ago now from a terrible case of Lyme.
Gigi - water has memory? Before calling Tony Z nasty, maybe you could have explained that a little more fully, because he was just showing concern for a 2 1/2 year old child.
Water has memory.....and what happens it tranfers to you when you drink it? I'd like to see the logic behind that statement myself instead of you just claiming I was cured.
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I asked my very well known and respected LLMD in upstate NY what he recommends for an attached tick. This doctor practices intergrative medicine. He told me 6 weeks of antibiotics. Amoxicillin is available in a pleasant tasting liquid form for children. Check Dr Burrascano's guidelines for doasge.
Lyme, as we all know, is a very nasty bacteria and if it were my child I would not take a chance. From watching the Hope to Heal conference videos I have heard the opinion of the most well known LLMD that Lyme can be CURED if treated early and aggresively.
I really do think we should reserve the use of the word "nasty" for the Lyme bacteria, rather than for each other. We all have something to contribute.
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Yes, water has memory and a structure hopefully with a living energy. Every civilization has used the healing and relaxing properties of water.
Z. left this "bashing" mark in previous posts that you are probably unaware of. Don't concern yourself. I don't either.
Take care.
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lymie tony z
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Yeah GIGI...
Water might just have a better memory than you...
I don't "bash" anyone around here...
BUT I do get a little perturbed when accused of such "bashing" or being "nasty"...
Hey by all means anyone out there...
The next glass of water you drink...talk to it first...
tell it to seek out and destroy all your little infections...and make sure you tell it to wash out all the toxins in your body after it kills off the buggers...
and don't forget to thank the nice urine(previously cognitive water) for doing such a nice job of cureing you...as you devoid yourself of it's "healing" properties...
wave "bye bye" now as it swirls away...don't forget to wave "bye bye" in the other direction if you live in Australia.........
zman
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