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medically speaking: is anybody finding that pot helps relieves many symptoms of lyme disease. i, unforunately have no effect from pot and doesn't help me, but i would think that if i did work on me i would be smoking a half a joint every day to help with pain, nausea, heaaches, joint pain, neuro, cfs, many others. \i asked my llmd jokingly last time i saw him if he could right a prescription for joints, he laughed, then said, that exactly what you need for all your symptoms.
SOMETHING TO THINK ABOUT, MEDICAL MARIJUANA IS LEGAL IN SEVERAL STATES.
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Heh? What POT officer. Who me? License? Just to walk on the sidewalk?
Do you know where a cookie store is?
Oh, yeah, Milk too...
I wonder where that store is...wait...no, I forgot...what was the question?
Actually women in India use Hashish to relieve their monthly symptoms, as well as menopausal symptoms.
I guess if one smokes enough, they will not remember that they have any problems at all!
Plus...they will be laughing too hard to care!
Now, for those cookies...chocolate chip please!
Some day our hypocritical government will wake up (why are cigarettes legal when they kill over 400,000 people in the US alone, every year...hint:MONEY!!, and realize we need to broaden our search for good pain management medicine. Medical Mary Jane works...but these government fools are too set on controlling our lives and spreading misinformation on the supposed dangers of casual (not chronic) pot smoking.
Pot has not killed anyone....cigarettes have...so, which should be illegal?
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I've seriously considered trying it. But, as of yet I havnt, and right now, I'm getting close to remission, so, I think that time may have come and gone for me.
But, I don't see why someone couldn't use it for certain problems.
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But have no way of buying it. I don't know anyone who uses or sells it as I live in rural America. What do I do, drive into the inner city and stop on a street corner asking for it? My luck, I'd probably get mugged.
I told dh and my docs that I'd even consider trying heroin if I could get it to stop/control the pain. Kidding of course, but I was almost serious.
If the cops bust me on it, I can't believe a jury of my peers would ever convict me if they knew the life I'm living by the bite of tick and years of misdiagnoses from ducks.
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Would never consider actually doing this for a number of reasons.
However, a chiropractor gave hubby a homeopathic dose (drops under the tongue) -- reaction was a prety severe increase in neuro symptoms. Same thing happened with homeopathic poppy (think opium).
If a homeopathic remedy had this severe a reaction I can't even imagine what the response would have been to the real stuff.
Chiropractor eventually decided that whatever hubby tested as needing was probably exactly the opposite of what he really needed -- we left the doc before he had tested out that theory!!!
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Id say it delayed my treatment about 3 years.
At first it was great, id get all numb and silly and that tenacious hyermania.
Then it led to confusion parinoia overeating!
Then the smoke itself bothered me. After that it was just another addiction just like popping herbs and antihistamines to try and control my symptoms.
Well all in all the best I ever felt was after these herxes. After the biaxin herx I had 3 days of bliss, and after the doxy about 2.
Sounds strange huh? I think so too. Theres definitelly somehting chronic going on with my immune response. It doesnt want to let go.
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quote:Originally posted by lymeHerx001: Well all in all the best I ever felt was after these herxes. After the biaxin herx I had 3 days of bliss, and after the doxy about 2.
That's a very common response to abx.
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I know one person who tried it after she got Lyme and ended up curled up in a ball terrified (bad pot?). She has a lot of Lyme brain sx though.
For me, I am scared of it bc I don't want things that alter my brain any more than it has been from the Lyme. Benzos are as far as I will go, but they are predictable for me.
I know somebody who it helps though, but it seems that she might get worse a few days after. We can't figure it out if it is actually the pot that triggers the bad reaction.
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I have thought about trying it before, but would hate to increase my 3 year 24/7 fog! I smoked pot many times as a teen and that has been the only thing in my life I can compare my foggy feeling to.
If I had a joint right now I would smke it before bed time. A good nights sleep would be nice!
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Doc, what about Marinol? Need to save your lungs for a Cohiba w/the Donald @ the Maralago wet T-shirt contest.
I can't wait to see you out at 2 am, ravenous, combing the island for a thick pie, extra cheese. Be sure to leave the Bentley GT at home. Posts: 1010 | From Mars | Registered: Feb 2004
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Marijuana is legal in California with a doctor's recommendation.
Unfortunately, law enforcement is slow to accept this, continuing to prosecute sick people.
I have seen people with multiple back surgeries be able to dispense with many of their prescription pain killers that kept them essentially bed-bound and drug-addicted by using marijuana instead.
Not only does it reduce nausea but it is known to greatly reduce muscle spasms.
One guy I know fell 40 feet from a ladder doing construction work, resulting in partial paralysis. He had to manually evacuate his bowels. He was in constant pain. He could either spend the rest of his life in bed on oxycontin or, using marijuana, have relief and have some sort of life. Police thought he should be prosecuted.
Fortunately, a jury of his peers felt differently, after a three month long trial.
I personally find that it puts me to sleep and makes my headaches worse. However, for those whom it helps, it should be legal everywhere.
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PS---I was an avid pot smoker for much of my life and I have found that it doesnt help relieve lyme symptoms one bit. Too bad coz it is a very safe and effective drug for many other ailments.
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I never enjoyed pot much, but I think it ought to be legalized. Period. In the alternative, it should be legal to buy it or grow it for anyone who needs it medically.
I have spoken to a couple of people who have used Marinol versus good pot, and the Marinol was NOT an adequate substitute for either of these people. It just didn't work like the real stuff. You don't have to smoke it - put it in brownies or something.
Trails, when ARE you going to produce that T-shirt anyway? It is great. Please make it a T-shirt with a pocket in it, though, so people can carry their....uh....brownies.
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Bob Marley died badly, he had 3 cancer tumours, one was in the brain that killed him, he was avid pot smoker.
Cannabinoid receptors are extremely expressed through the body- brain, immune cells.
I have a friend who also likes pot and recently he was diagnosed with brain haematoma.
I don`t know if it contributed to his illness, he had health issues since i met him.
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Trails.....
HaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHa........!!!!!!
What a great advertisement for awareness. I absolutely adore it. A real eye opener if you ask me.
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I was a pot head for 8 years, but quit a couple of years ago. It just made me paranoid and stopped being fun, but I loved it for a while.
I tried it since my Lyme flared up, didn't touch it, it actually made my anxiety worse.
The only thing that touches my symptoms is klonopin and other benzos. They TERRIFY me though...so I hardly ever resort to taking it, even though it makes me feel almost normal to be on them.
It also covers up my symptoms so well, I wouldn't be able to mark my progress if I was on it all the time.
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For anyone with Fibro I strongly suggest trying it for relief. For those who freak out on the stuff (I do) I smoke it and then listen to music and meditate for about an hour. (getting close to God kinda thang) After an hour the buzz and pain are pretty much gone. The above poster is right in that cannabis cuts into $ and thats why the feds want it illegal. Who gives a crud about us and our misery. As to cancer latest research is finding cannabis does not cause cancer. The cannabanoids actually prevent it. To bad it's natural and we can't pour money into research.
I want that T shirt !!!
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quote:Originally posted by LYMESCIENCE: So, pot helps the pain?
I suppose the voice for medical cannabis is Montel Williams. His story is the same as mine just switch Fibro/CFS with MS.
Fighting for your life shouldn't be a crime
by Montel Williams
Talk-Show Host Montel Williams Tried Many Different Medications to Dull the Pain From MS, but the Only Thing That Has Worked for Him Has Been Marijuana. That Makes Him a Criminal in Illinois.
You may know me as a television talk-show host, but I am also a criminal. My crime? Using the medicine that has allowed me to live a normal life despite having multiple sclerosis.
Being diagnosed with MS in February 1999 felt like a death sentence. I wondered what the future held for my family and me. Would I cease to be self-sufficient and independent?
I always took excellent care of my body. I worked out, followed a healthy diet and looked the picture of health. What I was hiding was the mind-numbing pain that seared through my legs as if I was being stabbed with hot pokers. I doubted my ability to function as a husband, father, son, brother, friend, talk-show host and producer. I honestly couldn't see a future.
My doctors wrote me prescriptions for some of the strongest painkillers available. I took Percocet, Vicodin and OxyContin on a regular basis, two at a time, every three or four hours. I was knowingly risking overdose just trying to make the pain bearable. In my desperation, I even tried morphine.
These powerful, expensive drugs brought me no relief. Instead, they made me nearly incoherent. I couldn't take them when I had to work because they turned me into a zombie.
Yet, even with all the drugs, I couldn't sleep. I was agitated, my legs kicked involuntarily in bed, and I found myself crying in the middle of the night.
Worse, these drugs are all highly addictive. I did not want to become a junkie, wasted and out of control. I spiraled deeper into a black hole of depression.
In "Climbing Higher," my book on living with MS, I write in detail about how I became suicidal and twice attempted to end my life. I was in severe mental and physical pain, getting little sleep and feeling completely spent. Someone suggested that I try smoking a little marijuana before going to bed, saying it might help me fall asleep.
Skeptical but desperate, I tried it. It was like a miracle. Three puffs and within minutes the excruciating pain in my legs subsided.
I had my first restful sleep in months. When I awoke, the sheet and blankets weren't on the floor and my legs had taken a break from their nightly kicking.
Marijuana is classified by the federal government as a Schedule I drug, meaning that--like PCP, LSD and heroin--it is considered unsafe to use under any conditions, including medical supervision. Physicians are not allowed to prescribe it. But 99 percent of marijuana arrests are made by local police under state law, and states can choose not to arrest medical marijuana patients.
Last year, Montana and Vermont joined the list of states that protect medical marijuana patients from arrest under state law, bringing the total up to 10--one-fifth of the U.S.
But in Illinois, I'm still a criminal.
In 1999, the Institute of Medicine, a branch of the National Academy of Sciences, released a two-year study of marijuana that showed it was effective in combating the muscle spasms associated with MS. Canada, Great Britain, Israel and Netherlands also have conducted studies on marijuana and found that it can help people suffering from certain forms of cancer, AIDS, MS and Tourette's syndrome by relieving symptoms such as pain, nausea, loss of appetite, muscle spasms and tics. Patients struggling for life and dignity against illnesses like MS, cancer or AIDS should not be treated as criminals.
It is time to take politics out of the debate. It is time for government-sanctioned research into the medicinal effects of marijuana and time to heed the research already available. It is time to change marijuana's classification so that physicians can prescribe it.
And while we await that rescheduling--which must be done at the federal level--states can and should act now to protect patients under state law. Just such a bill, House Bill 0407, is under consideration by the Illinois House.
In the eyes of the law, I am a criminal. But because of medical marijuana, I am still alive and living a far more productive, fruitful life than before. And that shouldn't be a crime.
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TV Talk show host Montel Williams is the author of "Climbing Higher."
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It seems like many of you who are sying away or who do not recommend it, don't have a good reason. Why don't you talk to your doctor or to a doctor that knows, I personally went to a doctor for a recommendation. I went over my whole treatment as well as concerns I might have since I do have brain fog. He explained to me that the reason why most people who have a chronic infection have a problem with pot is because they SMOKE it. THe smoke is not good for anyone fighting a chronic illness. The Doc's recommendation was to either vaporize or to eat it. I discussed the study i saw that claimed week turns off your immune system while high. She says the amount of weed it would take is alot, about the amount of THC in 1/8 ounce of hash. Thats way too much for anybody to take, Although one could take much, they would probably nor be doing ir for medicinal use as for any user it takes about 1/100th of that to get high. It does not contribute to brain fog, and although you might feel alittle foggy while high, the factors in the brain and body that produce brain fog are totally different than the factors that get you high. There have been many studies that are showing and the cannaboids in pot can protect the brain in many ways from neurotoxins. Unless you can get it medically i would not reccommend buying it on the street. You never know what you get then.
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I cannot imagine such a free discussion @ a german medical forum. You're pretty open-minded.
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Sorry, Yemaya - I don't have a clue how to make Pot Brownies. I can tell you that I ate some once made with pot and another time had some made with hash, and you could not detect the ``added ingredients'' in either one of them. But the desired effects were still there.
I live in a state where medical marijuana is legal, but the problem is that it is still a federal crime to use pot for any reason. So you can still get arrested even in a state where your doctor has legally prescribed it for you. This has happened here.
With the DEA breathing down the necks of docs who try to help people with chronic pain, I believe the case for legalization of medical marijuana is just that much stronger.
And why should we not be allowed to conveniently and cheaply grow our own ``pain control'' in our back yard? The biggest problem would be keeping the teenager down the street from stealing it out of your garden, LOL.
Sorry, but I want to see us get out from under the thumb of the drug companies and the DEA in as many ways as we can.
I have not seen one study that proves marijuana to be any more dangerous than alcohol. If it were legal for everyone, the government could tax it just like they do alcohol and tobacco. There are many commercial applications for ``hemp'' that would really help some farmers in this country, too. And drug dealers could only make money pushing the hard stuff.
For those who think it is dangerous - well, then they should not use it. But I'm not sure they should have the right to prevent someone else from using it. Just like alcohol.
I don't think you have to be a liberal or a conservative to sort this all out.
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How can it be legal and illegal at once ? Prescriptions are legal but not meds ?
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It is legal to possess it (in small quantities) but not to obtain it in CA. makes no sense.
One way to make food with pot is to cook the bud in butter....the oils in the butter heat up and somehow attach to the thc or something like that---I was a stoner---I dont remember much of the science. You cook it but dont burn it for like 5 minutes.
Then strain the butter of the bud and throw away the bud. The butter now has THC in it. Use the butter as you would in any other recipe.
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Thanks for the info. I really am paronoid about using it. I love my kids too much. I heard horror stories of people who have lost there kids for just having a little.
I believe it is good stuff for many things and they should legalize it. I use to smoke a bit before I had my Babies.
Too risky now. Thanks Trails for the Brownie tip though. You Never Know. Love you guys.
Love & Light, Yemaya
PS "Trails make those shirts and we will come. Donate part of the profit to Columbia Lyme Research." If you were Stoned and I whispered this to you. It would be really Wierd. LOL
See Lyme Does make you Crazy!
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You mean lost kids through law ? Like giving bad example and lost custody over them?
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there are many sites that can assist you if your looking for links such as how to make pot brownies and medical information and such, goto www.norml.org and they can direct you to such a website. Pot is illegal on the federal level but unless you are in a state were possesion of a small amount is something like 5 years in jail, most cops let you go, here in california i believe its a $100 fine for less than and ounce and the police chief went on record to say he is pro-med marijuana. Some cities here like West Hollywood and San Francisco, the city council has out right called for cops to stop prosecuting for small possesion all together.
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I believe in Turkey there is a death penalty for possesion of small quantities,in few other countries also
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Darn, I made brownies last night for my husband.
I wish I could get some mj but no sources. I'd happily give up my thousands of dollars in rx pain meds that don't help for one oz to try.
They are afraid it will lead to stronger drugs? I'm already on them legally and they don't help my pain. Posts: 867 | From PA | Registered: Jan 2006
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