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Has anyone tried anything other than ABXs for air hunger?
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A chiro really helped me by releasing constricted diaphragm muscles and a bunch of others, which also loosened lymph congestion. There were many times I would forget to inhale, or could not inhale deeply.
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Treatment for Babesia possibly....
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quote:Originally posted by northstar: A chiro really helped me by releasing constricted diaphragm muscles and a bunch of others, which also loosened lymph congestion. There were many times I would forget to inhale, or could not inhale deeply.
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Yes, don't you just HATE that? Bothers the crap out of me.
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What causes diaphragm to constricted? What causes lymph congestion?
Are both related to Babesia? Or something else?
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For some reason yawning helps, at least, temporarily. Try it; you'll like it.
(I really should go to the chiroprator.)
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lyme antibiotics, and babesia antibiotics were what helped me when I had it, if I dont treat I get it again, which indicates that I still have these infections in me.
Biaxin/Flagyl Azithromycin/Flagyl
Doxycline
Clindmycin/quinine for babesia.
This was why I had it, mine would have killed me had I not found treatment when I did.
SORRY, I missed that you said other then antibiotics. Brain fog head, I have.
I needed antibiotics, when I went off them 2 months later air hunger returned but also with dryness that had spread rapidly throughout my lungs, throat, eyes, mouth. Back on antibiotics, and better, slowly though better.
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Hi Shizuko, I think it depends on the cause of your air hunger.
Once I had a strong air hunger after a very high dose of chlorella... So I guess it was related to heavy metals being released. Once metals binded, it disappeared. Took a few minutes.
I still have light air hunger after andrographis or/ and garlic pills. No idea what it means. Nothing serious so far.
I know that when it's not too strong, breathing very slowly moving my belly helps stopping air hunger. But if it gets out of control, nothing stops it.
I had been twice in emergency with air hunger crisis in February and March, since then, never got it back so strong. I don't know if it was PC-Noni that helped, or the KMT sessions, or the garlic or everything together.
No more night sweats for the last few weeks, so it could be that babesia was somehow hit (but I'm sure I'm not healed from it as I didnt' treat babesia for enough time).
I also got air hunger after doing a lot of cycling, up and downhill, then got heart pain with some air hunger (could be thyroid?/ heart valve?).
Just rambling, I think air hunger is one of these mystery symptoms no one really knows the cause (as there may be many causes).
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I am still not quite sure what air hunger really is.
For years, I have felt from time to time as if I can't take a deep breath and get frustrated.
To relieve, sometimes, I think I do "try" to yawn, and often I find myself not being able to "finish" yawning as if I am stuck.
Most of the times, I feel as if my ribcage were constricted or pressed inward by tight muscles or something.
Sometimes, I try to loosen my muscles by moving around or getting massage, and I even put some medicated (with menthol, etc) patches on my shoulders and neck and wherever is tight.
Sometimes, I feel as if whatever I am wearing is constricting my ribcage.
I often wonder if I have some "structural" problems (spine , etc) that are making it harder for me to breath deeply, although I don't always have the "air hunger."
But I think something triggers it, and I don't know what it is.
I just hate this feeling of "I can't breath."
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quote:Originally posted by shizuko: To relieve, sometimes, I think I do "try" to yawn, and often I find myself not being able to "finish" yawning as if I am stuck.
Most of the times, I feel as if my ribcage were constricted or pressed inward by tight muscles or something.
shizuko
Yes, yes, exactly! You try repeatedly to get that yawn, but it's "stuck," and until you do it the air hunger sensation is there. It does feel like maybe the chest muscles are holding your lungs back from filling completely at times.
What sometimes works for me is to stop trying to "get that yawn" for a minute or so, just breath normally and try to ignore the air hunger, THEN try the yawn again. I usually "get it" at that point. ALso, stretch before trying to yawn. Stand up and arch shoulders back. Helps me sometimes.
Do you also find that you get air hunger less when you are active? I think mine is actually worse when I am still.
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My air hunger improved noticibly after I started taking samento. Samento is an immune system modulator and may act as an abx. I was on that for about 7 months and for various reasons had to go off. The air hunger returned and I became desperate to stop it. I found a supplement that seems to make a huge difference called seriphos which is phosphorylated Serine/Ethanolamine. It is an adaptogen and is for adrenal support according to the bottle. I take 2 at night with dinner. I think the time of day that you take it might depend on your own adrenal status.
I have noticed that since I stared minocycline, the air hunger is bothering me more. Prior to minocycline I only had the air hunger once in awhile, now I have it for a short time almost everyday. It's not as bad as it has been at times prior to samento and seriphos though. Terry
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shizuko
Try drinking some Tonic Water - It has Quinine in it --
Really helps with Babs- Alot You can get Tonic Water at the liquor store or grocery store -Cheap-50 cents a quart
Tastes like Hello tho --
When I first started drinking it made me herx - so be prepaired -Jay-
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ah, yes, I called it the "iron girdle". Its gone now with 18 months of bicillin and 3 months of Zith. I enjoy the ability to breath deeply and normally now.
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I struggle with air hunger constantly. I'm on oxygen much of the day, because the air hunger was setting off heart symptoms. The O2 does not relieve the air hunger, just keeps my heart from overdoing it.
The air conditioning helps a lot. I'll sometimes put my face in front of the vent.
I've come to avoid things that make it worse: Talking too much, singing, eating foods that demand a lot of chewing.
When my air hunger is really bad, I don't speak at all, and eat as little as possible. (not endorsing starving, just that eating makes it worse for me)
--- distraction is also good, whenever possible. thinking about the air hunger will reasonably cause panic, which will make it worse
I'm waiting for babesia results
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quote:Originally posted by am36: Air conditioning. Really cold.
I struggle with air hunger constantly. I'm on oxygen much of the day, because the air hunger was setting off heart symptoms. The O2 does not relieve the air hunger, just keeps my heart from overdoing it.
The air conditioning helps a lot. I'll sometimes put my face in front of the vent.
I've come to avoid things that make it worse: Talking too much, singing, eating foods that demand a lot of chewing.
When my air hunger is really bad, I don't speak at all, and eat as little as possible. (not endorsing starving, just that eating makes it worse for me)
--- distraction is also good, whenever possible. thinking about the air hunger will reasonably cause panic, which will make it worse
I'm waiting for babesia results
Agree on AC helping- hot, humid weather makes it worse.
When my shortness of breath was at its worst, I was in the same boat. Eating made me lose my breath, and heaven forbid I tried to talk to someone and eat!
They never treated me for babs, only abx for lyme- after bicillin for 2-3 months I think air hunger lessened.
Let us know your babs test results pls!
- JB
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I think muscle spasms (of upper body) are a big part of my problem as far as "air hunger" goes.
Interesting that eating food was mentioned.
In my case, it's not the chewing that causes it but it is the feeling of full from eating (too much, lol.)
I have been so far on Doxy and Biaxin, but on very low doses due to too much flare I experienced in early May, including repeated episodes of fainting that scared everyone and prompted so many tests.
I started with Doxy in mid March, so I guess I am still fairly new to the treatment and have a long way to go.
So far I have been tested positive for Lyme, Ehrlichia (both HGE and HME) and Salmonella.
Will I need to be on a different ABX to treat Babs (but I am still not so convinced that I have Babs)?
shizuko
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Mepron for Babs. Other things helpful are artemisinin and quinine (do a search on this board for them).
- JB
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Shizuku, I agree about the full feeling after eating making it worse. Seems to be more strain on the diaphragm.
Maybe it would help to eat more frequent, smaller meals. (advice often given to POTS patients)
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Treat the babs. As an add on therapy, if you have asthma, sinus or breathing problems look into a salt pipe:
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