GiGi
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I remember reading here that some people are doing transdermal DMPS. If you do, please make certain that you replenish your mineral base with absorbable minerals/trace minerals. Absorbable is the magic word because most minerals are difficult to absorb and end up in the sewer.
Goat Whey is good. Fulvic Acids are superb. We have been taking Shilajit for a long time. Designs for Health has a good "Complete Mineral Complex" that we use. We alternate between different ones.
DMPS mobilizes (that's all it does --- it does not remove them necessarily from the body --- it just shakes them loose) not only the bad metals, but also the good minerals and they need to be replaced.
I just heard of a child who was treated with transdermal DMPS (because it is so easy!!!). The child became very demineralized and it was finally noticed and recognized when the child was sitting at the beach eating sand!!!!!
There are a few dumb doctors around - sad to say.
Just make sure and watch for any symptoms. Don't think it's all Lyme. The symptoms can be identical.
Take care.
P.S. Heavy Metals cannot be detoxed if the mineral base is not up to snuff.
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I can't agree enough on the minerals. I just started using the new BioTools KMT Minerals and am looking forward to seeing some good results with them. On paper, they look very promising.
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GiGi
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Takedownthemoon, we used to get Shilajit from www.shamanshop.com. Capsules or you can make your own.
Ayush has a Shilajit capsule also. It is a favorite in Ayurvedics.
Now we use mostly the nanonized liquid Fulvic Acid which is very easy to take and of all the most easily absorbed. I pour each one a tiny glass every day and we sip at it as the day moves along. Biotools carries it as KMT Minerals Plus.
Very happy about that solution, because I never ever felt quite sure of the absorption of others that we used, except the goat whey, and I just don't want to bother mixing powders, etc. Most manufactured minerals just won't get to where they are really badly needed. Our food sources are totally inadequate today, especially for minerals. I am certain, and so is Dr. K., that is one of the reasons we hold on to so many environmental toxins. It takes minerals and trace minerals for the body's communication system/electrical network to function properly.
We also add the Design for Health Mineral Complex in between.
Read here about Fulvic Acids and Shilajit if you are not familiar with it.
Be sure to ask your doctor before you act on anything I post! And good luck on that.
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Wow. At least I know now that transdermal DMPS works. I just listened to a presentation by Dr Buttar about it, but it is controversial in the autism community...I think part of the problem is that he seems to want to get the mercury out no matter what...even when the DMPS mobilizes it, and re-suppresses the immune system causing a flareup of yeast, bacteria, etc. And that is unpleasant and I don't think that is such a good approach. It's too harsh. Dr Boyd Haley is working on a chelator but it could be years away. He said we really do NOT have good mercury chelators...not that DMSA and DMPS aren't effective, but we could do much better.
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Oxygenbabe, per Dr. K., there is really no chelator for mercury or heavy metals. There are complexing agents -- both DMPS and DMSA are complexing agents. All they do is mobilize the metals in whatever area they are able to penetrate. Then you have to come with other substances/agents to carry the metals on, give mercury its lost electron back by Vit C etc., and then push more to get it out using the different mop-up agents, techniques like neural therapy to activate the ganglia that are holding things up, etc. etc.
There is at this present time no single agent that can pull heavy metals out from anywhere in the body. It does not exist. If Boyd Haley can come up with one that works in every body part - that would be a real big event. At this moment every body department needs a few and different agents.
And then you have to remember that psychological factors and other inadequacies hinder the detox mechanism. There can be structural hangups. It takes time and a lot of knowhow to do it right and not end up with problems by doing it incorrectly. I have only said that here for the last six years.
With dermal DMPS, same situation. It just looks easier because you don't have to swallow a pill or get an injection.
The only way out (of the metal maze) is the way through, as per Dr. K. With guidance, good preparation and a watchful eye, problems such as you mention are avoided. All can be controlled if the doctor is knowledgable.
All I can tell you, it is wonderful when it's done. No metal -- makes one a different person - the way we were meant to be before dentistry poisoned so many.
Take care.
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Gigi, that is interesting, complexing versus chelating. I've been meaning to send you that Boyd Haley DVD and just watched it again... Yes, I think he is working on something really good. It may have glutathione as a base...he talks about it a bit on the DVD. The problem is trials and getting it through the FDA etc.
We really need a real, and good, mercury chelator above all. That being the most toxic.
Yes, before dentistry, vaccines, and poisoned fish...
By the way, I know of one person who, having fixed her methylation cycle (so all the precursors in the body to make glutathione are working properly, something that is a problem for some of us), is spontaneously shedding her heavy metals, as monitored in Doctor's Data urine tests. Not everbody would be so lucky, but her body is now able to ferry the metals out, as it has all the building blocks in place that help compensate for her innate genetic weaknesses. I ordered a very expensive genetic test that looks for these variants/weaknesses and plan to fix my own methylation cycle. Then I will feel safer to try some chelation and I am going to start with very small amounts.
Proper methylation is required to keep the phospholipid cell membrane fluid and intact. The work of the Kanes, in giving IV phospholipids plus glutathione, is an attempt to repair the cell once broken down, with the end-products it needs. But proper methylation, and the body can keep it intact, as long as it has building blocks. I'm learning more and will email you.
I am just curious, has Dr K ever worked with mannitol or IV mannitol? Apparently it is effective in acute and chronic cigatuera-toxin poisoning. It helps reverse the excitability on the cell membrane resulting from the toxin, and that excitability accounts for the neuro damage/symptoms. I have a hunch babesia has a similar toxin because babesia has an organelle, or apicoplast, that is evolved from cyanobacteria, and dinoflagellates are related to cyanobacteria too. I don't know who else to ask about this because the idea is a leap but it makes inherent sense to me but I'm sure most doctors would raise an eyebrow.
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Hi Gigi, Just wondering if Dr. K has any colleagues in the CT/ New England area. I am looking to find a doctor to help me with my heavy metal detox and I am new to this area.
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Oxygenbabe,
Dr. K. is using sometimes, rarely, only when he gets really frustrated, this test you are speaking of. Usually, the release of heavy metals still comes down to dealing with all -- the seven factors - he calls them. The bite and jawbone/brain bone structure plays a big role in the release of the metals from the brain. I have already mentioned emotions. If EMF or Geopathics are a factor, all bets are off. There are so many pieces to this puzzle of heavy metal detox.
The genetic factor, I have heard him say quite frequently, rarely comes into play. Usually it is a combination of several factors why some people are not able to detox properly. With my husband, a big role played treatment of parasites. Once that was effectively done,by doing it repeatedly, all of a sudden all toxic metals, not just one, but mercury plus lead plus others, started to flow.
We know that mercury alone is bad. But add some lead to it and the factor of toxicity moves from one to a hundredfold. The combination of several is a killer. No wonder my poor guy could not get off the floor sometimes.
The phospolipid-glutathione approach serves only a fraction of the problem. When anything else is still missing, you can do phospholipids until the cows come home. You have spent a small fortune. Yet the metals are still sitting in the brain and not budging.
I hope the test sheds some light for you.
I e-mailed your Mannitol IV/Babesia note to Dr. K. He is off around the world and maybe he will respond. I have not heard him talk about it at all.
Haley and his researchers are in steady contact with Dr. K. It goes back many years. I would like to see the DVD!
Take care.
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Melanie, yes, Chemet (also called DMSA, or Succimer) is a prescription drug. I have often posted about it and it should only be used with utmost precaution. It crosses the blood brain barrier. It should only be used, if at all, toward the latter part of heavy metal detox. It easily moves metals into the brain also. Research it well before you use it.
Take care.
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The referral list on that site for Neural Therapists should include some people that do ART also in your area. ART -- That's the most important part of all to help navigate through heavy metal detox.
There is one nice fellow MD in Washington DC - still far for you. But for heavy metal detox, all the tricks of the trade are needed. E-mail me if you want that person's name. [email protected]
You are very smart wanting to do it right. It is well worth the effort.
Take care.
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Gigi, I am going to try to burn some DVD's today. I hope it works. I hate reading manuals, so, it had better be pretty intuitive .
I am watching DVD's from a February conference in Arizona, I think Dr. K was there? Not sure.
Anyway, Amy Yasko points out that staphyloccocus for instance, binds aluminum.
What you have been saying for years is clearly backed up by studies. These microbes bind metals.
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Gigi,
Thanks for the information.
When you have a moment, would you please email me?
Somehow I missed this little nugget of yours over the years, GiGi.
I assume this gives more and different minerals than solay, which we take daily as well.
Thanks for posting on this!
Mo
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Thanks for posting this Gigi ...I hope to start amalgam removal soon with a ART practitioner that I have just discovered nearby, so need to read up on this!
I spoke with a doctor (from www.neuraltherapy.com) who is trained in neural therapy in CT. He is attending Dr. K's seminar at the end of this month in hopes to learn more. I think he will be able to help me in my quest!
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quote:Originally posted by oxygenbabe: I am just curious, has Dr K ever worked with mannitol or IV mannitol? Apparently it is effective in acute and chronic cigatuera-toxin poisoning. It helps reverse the excitability on the cell membrane resulting from the toxin, and that excitability accounts for the neuro damage/symptoms.
I'd be careful with IV mannitol, it has been used experimentally, to temporarily open up the Blood Brain Barrier. The experiments were to try get drugs in that normally wouldn't make it through.
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