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i am trying to follow this diet with the pouches of salmon, fish and vegetables to avoid yeast.

I had been using as a side dish kidney beans, or any canned bean but I was surprised to see it has carbs-is this a no-no?

anyone have any sugg for meals besides just fish and veggies for three meals a day?? or snacks you have luck with?

unfortunatley i do not eat any other type of meatI am a vegetarian who eats fish.

so this will be pretty rough unless I can get pretty darn creative which some of you may have already?

Many thanks
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I am a raw organic vegan and have found that the diet has done WONDERS for me. It is one of the best things I have done for myself in my life, Lyme and otherwise. I feel MUCH better without the animal products and cooked denatured food. I have had all kinds of amazing health and spiritual benefits, and they just keep coming. There is a big raw vegan healing movement. Cooked food actually activates your immune system against it. The more cooked food you eat the more your immune system is fighting that, and not the infections. There are many many more reasons why I eat the way I do, and I am loveing it.
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Green beans & yellow okay also asparagus,
here this is easier Carb counter.
Carb counter

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Eggs???

Candida diet and elimination:
http://flash.lymenet.org/ubb/Forum1/HTML/021412.html
http://www.wholeapproach.com/diet/

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I make muffins or hot cereal for breakfast using ground flax seed and whey protein powder I use stevia to sweeten things. Eggs if you eat them and I also eat plain organic yogurt with a sprinkle of stevia and nuts (you can add berries if yeast isn't too much of an issue).

I posted a muffin recipe in the general support area awhile back.

Beans are okay, I would think as they are a more complex carb and not turned right into sugar by your body like white bread would be.

We do a ton of different variations of stir fry type meals with tofu or seafood and veggies and just vary the spices from chinese to mexican depending on our mood. Or add red sauce and put it over strips of zucchini sauteed in garlic and olice oil to take the place of noodles.

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here is what my llmd told me-

No refined carbs, grains or sugar for 3 weeks to break the cycle. Basically I had to starve the yeast to death.

You can eat all the vegtables you want, going very easy on carrots and sweet potatoes, no corn or potatoes. You can have berries and nuts too.

Use olive oil to add calories.

I have discovered that we don't have enough of the right gut flora to process "sugar" quickly and that if we take our probiotic before we might be eating grains or sugar that it helps digest it better.

I have been to cook-outs the past too week-ends and had corn on the cob and a drink and have not had any pain or other signs of yeast. I have had a few bites here and there of corn, hummus, cheese cake or potatoes. I don't eat wheat.

I hope this helps.

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thanks guys

already tried the zucchini spiral sliced with fish--

will keep looking for options!!!
kristin [Smile]

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I found this:

http://www.food-allergy.org/root3.html

(check the last paragraph)


Getting to the Root of the Problem

Part 3
Dysbiosis�

(excerpt)


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��� Diet can also contribute to dysbiosis. A diet high in flesh protein and low in plant foods promotes the growth of Bacteroides species, but a lacto-vegetarian diet, based on milk products and plant foods, promotes the growth of Lactobacillus and Bifidobacterium.20

Elaine Gottshalls's book Breaking the Vicious Cycle prescribes the ``specific carbohydrate diet" for patients with inflammatory bowel disease.21 This diet eliminates all grains, sugar, lactose, other disaccharides, and some starches that such patients may be unable to digest and absorb. This leads to a shift in bowel flora towards normal and improvement in symptoms.�

��� The ideal diet for patients with candidiasis is the subject of considerable debate. Several years ago, high-protein, low-carbohydrate diets, on which the grams of carbohydrate may have even been counted, were used.

Then Dr. William Crook began using diets higher in complex carbohydrates for his patients. Simple carbohydrates, such as fruits, were still restricted initially.22

When Dr. Crook was in Colorado in 1995, 1 heard him speak to a group of health professionals, and the question of the best diet for candidiasis was raised. Dr. Crook said that, in his many years of experience, the only absolute he had determined to be essential for the diet was that sugar had to be avoided. He said that all the NystatinTM or DiflucanTM in the world will not eradicate Candida if a patient continues to eat sugar.

Recent German studies suggest that very low carbohydrate diets may be counterproductive because they cause the Candida to become invasive and penetrate deeper into the tissues in search of food.23�

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here a link.
Click on candia recipe.
for strick elimination diet some recipes need to be altered

http://www.wholeapproach.com./

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You shouldn't be worried so much about carbs as how high they are on the glycemic index. For instance dried apricots are high as carbohydrates but low on the glycemic index and glycemic load which makes them a good choice to eat. To find out more
http://www.releasingfat.com/showClinicalTrial.asp

http://www.mendosa.com/gilists.htm


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I think this may be one of those questions with no "right" answer -- different experts have different opinions of what one should do.

I did a hard-core Atkins program for 2 years -- lost a lot of weight, built muscle, and went into almost complete remission with the Lyme (I was undx at the time, but knew *something* was wrong with me.) However, I found that hard to keep up forever. Despite the less-than-20 grms-carbs a day diet, I still had major yeast problems -- though my overall health was pretty good.

I have opted now for a more moderate approach -- mostly whole foods, limited dairy, limited sugars, mostly vegetarian but with complex carbs. Is my diet perfect? Absolutely not, but I don't have systemic yeast anymore ( I do a lot of anti-fungal herbs and supplements and probiotics as well as take diflucan.) Even with all the abx, I'm still okay on the yeast front.

I know that in a perfect health world, I'd eat a lot more protein and fewer carbs, but I couldn't reconcile myself ethically to being a regular carnivore -- I tried, oh how I tried! I also can't afford to buy only organic, cleanly farmed meats -- and the risks of eating factory farmed meat and fish (not to mention my ethical feelings about it) are substantial.

Each of us has to find what works for us long-term as individuals, I think --- for some, eating super-low-carb/high protein is definitely the way to go. For others, not so much. The level of insulin resistance one has is a big determinate of how many carbs one can tolerate, and what kind of carbs.

Folks with Celiac disease/gluten sensitivity absolutely MUST avoid gluten to get well-- failure to do so will make them very, very sick! Gluten is in so many foods, not only the obvious ones. (Thankfully, I don't have that problem.)

This is all just my opinion, nothing more.

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The Yeast Connection by William Crook has a lot of good info on which foods to avoid.

As far as advice, first time I was on the diet I was a semi-veggie who only at fish/seafood.

Eggs are your best friend. Hard boil them and keep them in your fridge for easy availability.

I used to buy salmon dogs at whole foods. They were in the fish section. Basically hot dogs made out of salmon, and they didn't have many presrvatives.

Tofu dogs are a good source of protein as well. Although I've since discovered I have a tofu sensitivity.

Nuts are great. Some advise against nuts because of potential mold. But most yeast diets say that raw almonds are ok. Just keep them around for snacks and take them everywhere you go.

Raw veggies are also a great snack. I love fresh raw green beans, or sliced cucumber. Some carrots and cherry tomatoes could be ok in moderation as well.

You can also do baked sweet potatoe or cut them up and do sweet potatoe fries. Another good side dish that can be a snack as well.

Quinoa is a high protein grain/seed. It does have carbs, but less than other grains. I think it tastes good cold, so you can bring cook it in advance. I used my mom's taboule recipe using the quinoa instead of barley and it's really excellent.

If you are avoiding and not eliminating yeast, you can handle a little more carbs. So the beans in moderation are probably ok. Make sure they don't have sugar added though.

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I don't think fish is the healthiest food to be eating when we're fighting Lyme.

Most kinds of fish are full of mercury and other toxins from the ocean.

Just my two cents.

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Sounds like we can't agree on a diet, so let's go back to chocolate! [Big Grin]

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I was just wondering if anyone with lyme had tried some of the diets on the market.

A local group just started up on the Hallelujah Diet.

I have the Maker's Diet on my shelf somewhere.

Perconni Perscription also.

The Yeast Connection is also sitting on my shelf.

It would be great if "you" have tried some of the recipes from these books and would let us know the ones you liked best and use.

In the meantime, I am still looking for the chocolate I saw posted awhile back. [Smile]

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