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Hi, any recommendations... FYI, I am doing well, but not what I would call pre-lyme well....
I was undiagnosed for 4 yrs, ABX for 4 yrs... no treatment or LLMD last ten years...
So I am just looking for things to improve overall wellness on my own
I eat alot of fresh cilantro... but that won't work right?? or yes? Can someone just give me some clear (Lyme brain!!) idea what is good kinds of things and amounts for general wellness?? Thanks
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Chlorella has done wonders for me. Start out slow - maybe 2 tablets daily and increase weekly. I'm taking 9 daily, divided in 3 doses.
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www.neuraltherapy.com (my doctor's website) will give you a lot of info re both chlorella and cilantro and neurotoxin elimination.
CHLORELLA (pyrenoidosa or vulgaris)
HEALING BENEFITS:
Chlorella has multiple health inducing effects. Below are just a few of the published effects that have been demonstrated.
Antiviral (especially effective against the cytomegaly virus and herpes)
Toxin binding (mucopolysaccaride membrane) for all known toxic metals, environmental toxins, such as dioxin and others
Repairs and activates the body's detoxification functions
Dramatically increases reduced glutathion
Sporopollein is as effective as choestyramin in binding neurotoxins and more effective in binding toxic metals than any other natural substance
Various chlorella peptides restore coeruloplasmin and metallothionin
Lipids (12.4%) alpha and gamma linoleic acid help to balance the increased intake of fish oil during detoxification programs and are necessary for many functions, including formation of their peroxisomes.
Methylcobalamin is food for the nervous system. It restores damaged neurons and has its own detoxifying effect.
Chlorella Growth Factor - helps the body detoxify itself in a yet not understood and profound way. It appears that over millins of years chlorella has developed specific detoxifying proteins and peptides for every existing toxic metal.
The porphyrins in chlorophyll have their own strong metal-binding effect. Chlorophyll also activates the PPAR-receptor on the nucleus of the cell which is responsible for the transcription of DNA and coding the formation of the peroxisomes (see fish oil), opening of the cell wall (unknown mechanism) which is necessary for all detoxification procedures.
Super nutrient - with a 50-60% amino acid content it is an ideal nutrient for vegetarians. Methylcobalamin - the most easily absorbed and utilized form of B12, B6, minerals, chlorophyll, beta carotene, etc.
Immune system strengthening
Restores Bowel flora
Digestive aid (bulking agent)
Alkalinizing agent (important for patients with malignancies)
RECOMMENDED DOSAGE:
Start the standard adult maintenance dosage for the 6-24 months active detox: 1 gram (approx. 4 tablets) 3-4 times a day
Incorporate a more active detox by increasing the Chlorella dose to 3 grams (approximately 12 tablets) whenever Cilantro is being taken. This must be taken one week intermittently, followed by 2-3 weeks on the above adult maintenance dose (i.e. 1 week on, 2-3 weeks on the standard maintenance program).
Chlorella must be taken 30 minutes before the main meals and at bedtime.
This way chlorella is exactly in that portion of the small intestine where the bile squirts into the gut at the beginning of the meal, carrying with it toxic metals and other toxic waste. These are bound by the chlorella cell wall and carried out via the digestive tract.
When amalgam fillings are removed, the higher dose should be given for 2 days before and 2-5 days after the procedure (the more fillings are removed, the longer the higher dose should be given).
If you take Vitamin C during your detox program, take it as far away from Chlorella as possible. Vitamin C is the only substance known so far that can knock mercury off its tight bind in the chlorella membrane.
SIDE EFFECTS:
Most side effects reflect the toxic effect of the mobilized metals which are shuttled through the organism. This problem is instantly avoided by significantly increasing the chlorella dosage, - not by reducing it. Small chlorella doses mobilize more metals than are bound in the gut; large chlorella doses bind more toxins than are mobilized.
Some people have problems digesting the cell membrane of chlorella. It is hard and sophisticated. The industry has developed several ways by cracking the membrane. However, mechanical destruction of the membrane leads to subsequent oxidative damage to some of the most precious ingredients (such as chlorella's fatti acids).
Biopure uses a patented process by which stiff structural elements of the cell wall are cracked by using sound waves (similar to the process called lithotripsy), keeps the extra cellular chlorella barrier intact, thus protecting all of the cell's organelles.
Chlorella can also be made bio-available by dissolving the cell wall enzymatically. Biopure produces are proprietary mix of sound cracked chlorella with specific enzymes, which kick into action once chlorella has arrived in the alkaline section of the small intestine. This product is availabe as BioPure Enzyme Potentiated Chlorella or EPC.
Another solution for people with digestive problems is Chlorella vulgaris. Chlorella vulgaris has a thinner cell wall and is therefore better tolerated by people with digestive problems.
Some manufacturers have created cell wall free chlorella extracts (NDF or Nanonized Detox Factors; PCA or Peptide Clathrating Agent) which are quite costly, but easily absorbed. NDF is availabe as NDF and NDF Plus. It contains micronized and nanonized chlorella and cilantro as the primary ingredients. It is recommended cycling NDF Plus into the program: 3 weeks on, 3 weeks off.
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Cilantro - also called Chinese Parsley
Healing Benefits:
Cilantro mobilizes mercury, cadmium, lead and aluminum in both bones and the central nervous system. It is probably the only effective agent in mobilizing mercury stored in the intracellular space, including the nucleus. Because cilantro may mobilize more toxins than it is able to safely carry out of the body, care should be taken to avoid retoxification - the excess flooding of mobilized metals.
Retoxification can easily be avoided by simultaneously giving an intestinal toxin-absorbing agent. Our definite choice is the algal organism, Chlorella.
A recent study on cilantro demonstrated the rapid removal of aluminum and lead from the skeleton and brain superior to any known other toxin elimination agent.
Cilantro contains a mildly toxic compound which is neutralized when it is placed in a small amount of hot water before ingesting. Cilantro fresh/raw/as salad does not have the same effects.
Cilantro must be taken just before a meal, or 30 minutes after taking chlorella. Cilantro causes the gallbladder to dump bile - containing the excreted neurotoxins - into the small intestine. If no Chorella is taken, most neurotoxins are reabsorbed on their way down the small intestine.
Dosage and application of Cilantro Tincture:
Start with 2 drops twice a day with hot water, 30 minutes before a meal or 30 minutes after taking Chlorella. (i.e. Chlorella at 8 AM, Cilantro at 8:30 AM - breakfast at 9 AM --- that's roughly the idea to have both at the right place at the right time. )
Gradually increase the dose to ten drops three times a day for the full benefit.
Cilantro should be taken one week on - followed by 2-3 weeks off during the initial phase of the detox.
Other ways of taking Cilantro:
External Application: Rub five drops twice a day into ankles for mobilization of metals in all organs, joints and structures below the diaphragm; and into the wrists for organs, joints and structures above the diaphragm.
Cilantro Tea: use 15 drops in a cup of hot water. Sip slowly. This has the effect of quickly clearing the brain of most neurotoxins. Be certain to have Chlorella on board as outlined above before you have your tea. If Chlorella is not there - you go on a metal merry-go-round - reverse toxicity!
No Cilantro should be taken around the time of dental work.
To my knowledge it does not interfer with antibiotics or similar agents. When you take antibiotics, when you take antifungals (candida meds), and assuming you have lived on this planet for a while; and assuming you have a die-off due to any of these meds, you will be spilling heavy metals --- --- fungi store metals in their cell walls and help the body to keep the toxins in a biologically contained form - or said another way - the metals don't kill us right then and there - they do their damage slowly and progressively in other ways. Cholesterol does the same thing - it wraps up the metals and deposits it in the vascular system clogging things up more and more. When we get rid of the metals, cholesterol automatically goes to good levels. Mine dropped 20 points in one month when I started to metal and dental detox - that while eating several eggs every day also. Good protein is a must.
Biopure carries Cilantro. There are many posts on this subject if you do a search.
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Gigi, you said:
quote:Cilantro contains a mildly toxic compound which is neutralized when it is placed in a small amount of hot water before ingesting. Cilantro fresh/raw/as salad does not have the same effects.
Does this mean that fresh cilanto does not have this toxic compound, or that fresh cilantro does not detox like the tincture/liquid?
Good greif. Everything I look at these days has to be taken by itself, 30 minutes before a meal. That isn't going to work, obviously.
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I plan to start Chlorella soon to help with heavy metal issues. Is there any other herbs you would recommend to help with toxins, metals, etc?
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I wonder if the reason I cant stand eating or even the smel of Cilantro has something to do with Lyme? I like just about every herb out there?
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things you can run though a veggy juicer that were partially responsible for completely removing my dangerous mecury levels (and others):
cilantro, parsley, asparagus, kale, dandylion greens, milkweed, wheatgrass and others.
i would mix these with other mild vegatbles.
and then theres the algaes, i used chlorella and spirulina.
i just got blue green manna algae, green manna algae to try, but they dont taste good.
gigi, what do you think of spirulina? i take it dr k prefers to use chlorella?
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People always ask about spirulina.
There is one paper that shows that spirulina is quite good for arsenic poisoning. But it is only one paper. On chlorella we have over 500.
When you look at the nutrient content of spirulina, it is very poor compared to the content in chlorella. The protein content is lower. None of the precious ingredients are in spirulina.
Spirulina is not an algae. It is a prokaryote. It is a bacterium that happens to use photosynthesis to make energy. The same is true for super blue green algae. It is not an algae at all from a biological point of view. They are microorganisms, not plants. Plants are preferred.
Take care.
P.S. Only use the cleanest Chlorella available. We are using Biopure because it is always subjected to critical analysis by Dr. K. There is a lot of chlorella on the market that should not be used.
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oh yes thats right, spirulina and the manna are sort of half way inbetween plant and animal. some say that we evolved from this type of life form, that it could be the bridge between the plant and animal world, and that it is very special. i have heard in russia they recogize spirulina as a radiation sickness medicine. it was supposedly given to the children after chernobyl and saved many lives.
im pretty sure spirulina has more protein than chlorella, it is very high protein. at the very least we can call them equal. also i have heard that the cell wall of chlorella is a bad thing, and that spirulina is better, but i just found an article by mercola that says otherwise. heres what he says about protein: ( i do believe these numbers vary, but most put spirulina at 65-70%+) "The protein content of the algae is significantly higher than in the cereal grasses. Chlorella is about 60%, spirulina 73%, blue green algae 56%, barley grass 14% and wheat grass 18%." ... "Chlorella is the most researched algae in the world. Spirulina has had less research, but also shows great promise with its unique nutritional benefits. There has not been a large amount of research on blue green algae but many people report positive health benefits." ... "Besides the abundance of chlorophyll, chlorella's tough cell wall offers advantages not found in other algae or grasses. Chlorella's cell wall has been shown to eliminate toxins, pesticides, and heavy metals from the body. Plus the cell wall has the ability to induce interferon production in the body which is important to immune function." ... "Chlorella is one of the MOST scientifically researched foods in human history. There are thousands of research papers on Chlorella from medical institutions, scientific journals and universities." http://www.mercola.com/chlorella/comparison.htm
i was just looking and i found some information about the cell wall: "Chlorella, in its natural state, has a very tough outer cell wall which interferes with its digestibility. To break down the cell wall, some brands use heat treatments, enzymes, chemicals or milling processes which disintegrate the cell wall, all techniques that can damage the nutrient value. "
so it looks like what is vital is a very good technique to extract the chlorella. this company says they start with chlorella with a soft cell wall and then they crack it open. im not saying anything good or bad about this company, just that they had the explaination i was looking for. maybe this is why some warn against chlorella, i most certainly would not want to be getting chlorella destroyed by heat or something! what a waste that would be its not true that none of the imporant things are in spirulina. it has beta carotene, b-12, GLA, EFAs, and more:
"Spirulina is a type of blue-green algae found in most lakes and ponds. It has been consumed for thousands of years by Mexican (Aztecs, Mayans), African, and Asian peoples. Spirulina is considered a complete protein because well over half of it consists of amino acids -- the building blocks of protein. It is also a rich source of other nutrients including B complex vitamins, beta-carotene, vitamin E, carotenoids, manganese, zinc, copper, iron, selenium, and gamma linolenic acid (an essential fatty acid). In fact, at least one laboratory study has demonstrated that the iron level in spirulina is equivalent to that contained in beef. Because of its apparent ability to stimulate the immune system, spirulina may have antiviral and anticancer effects. Test tube and animal studies suggest that spirulina may also help protect against harmful allergic reactions. More research is needed to fully understand how spirulina truly benefits people.
Interestingly, spirulina has been used in Russia to treat the victims, especially children, of the nuclear disaster at Chernobyl. In these children, whose bone marrow had been damaged from radiation exposure, spirulina seemed to boost the immune system." http://www.umm.edu/altmed/ConsSupplements/Spirulinacs.html
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GiGi: there are several manufacturers of Chlorella who claim that their products are fresh water grown and tested for Hg. Hopefully they're being truthful.
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quote:Originally posted by GiGi: Cilantro - also called Chinese Parsley
Healing Benefits:
A recent study on cilantro demonstrated the rapid removal of aluminum and lead from the skeleton and brain superior to any known other toxin elimination agent.
Gigi, do you have a link to this study? If not, can you email it to me? I want to show it to my alt MD.
A public reply to the above post would be nice, as those are some of my questions too.
Not under DR. care at the moment, no reason to believe heavy metals are a huge problem, but I believe everyone probably has them (I don't have any fillings and have quit using anti-persperant with AL in it)... but just want to do what I can for myself... Thanks so much!!
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so, I looked at Biopure... but they have a number of different Chlorella products??? which and how many mg?? Cilantro??? Other products??
People always say, "I take 4 tablets"... but what dose is each tablet....
What about the chlorella at vitacost?? will it work? I know everyone has their favorite brand that is the ONLY one that will work..... what are the opinions out there... ??
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I also use the Chlorella from www.BioPureUS.com. I get the standard Chlorella Pyrendoidosa. I chew 30 tablets 40 minute before lunch with a squirt of cilantro tincture with my meal.
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does one have to buy this chlorella online??????
I know nothing about this but cannot wait to feel better!!
i have whole foods near me
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BioPure is a by-phone only vendor to my knowledge. They do not do online orders, though the products and phone # are on the site mentioned above.
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Truthfinder ,
quote:Does this mean that fresh cilanto does not have this toxic compound, or that fresh cilantro does not detox like the tincture/liquid?
Good greif. Everything I look at these days has to be taken by itself, 30 minutes before a meal. That isn't going to work, obviously.
The substance in Cilantro that aids detoxing heavy metals is only activated by heating it. Putting it into a hot soup, making a tea, or using the tincture which has been prepared accordingly. I used the tincture mostly, because I always have a supply and don't have to run off to the market and find organic cilantro, heat it, etc. I rub it on, out of the bottle. If I want to take it as tea before bedtime, I will put the drops into hot water.
Cilantro, per Dr. K., contains a slightly toxic substance when it is uncooked.
Cilantro right after a meal aids the gallbladder. But it can be taken freely at other times without food. The tea before bedtime is most effective.
Chris ,
quote:I plan to start Chlorella soon to help with heavy metal issues. Is there any other herbs you would recommend to help with toxins, metals, etc?
It very much depends on where the heavy metals are desosited in your body. It takes different agents to remove them from different locations. Please read Dr. Klinghardt's Neurotoxin Elimination Protocol on www.neuraltherapy.com. Please note that heavy metal detox is not a do-it-yourself job. It can be very difficult, it is difficult, and it can be dangerous if done the wrong way. My advice: Don't try to do it alone. Find a practitioner who has experience and who can muscle test you. Without muscle testing, heavy metal detox is a guessing game and often done incomplete. People continue to be sick assuming they have eliminated all the metals out of their body. Usually that is not so. It can take several years to get them out. It does not have to cost a fortune either -- it just needs to be done right, and most of all, complete.
It took me years to get it all out -- it took my husband years to remove the worst of it. Doing an incomplete job is much costlier because the illnesses persist. When there are metals left, infections persist.
Also read Lyme Disease: A look beyond Antibiotics by Dr. K. on his website. The Buhner herbs, PC Samento, PC Noni, and the Rizol Oils are superb. Plants - plant adaptogens work across the board , i.e. PC Noni helps your adrenals, etc. etc. The ozonated Rizols work just about for everything.
I broke me foot, had two surgeries to remove seven l-1/4" screws and plate, and the pain walking just never seemed to disappear. With the KMT24 over a couple of drops of the Rizol Oils I am getting my old mobility back and the pain is almost gone!
The New Silver Solution I have posted about is wonderful.
Brett , if you want to have a discussion with Dr. Klinghardt about Chlorella, Spirulina, etc. you are welcome to do so. He is the inventor of heavy metal detox and has done this for 30 years, starting when most people did not have a faint clue what heavy metal toxicity was doing to the world.
Dr. Mercola runs a great website. Dr. Klinghardt has been treating very ill people, many successfully, for many years.
Please do a search on the internet for "biosorption of Heavy metals Chlorella Klinghardt mining industry" -- you should get some wonderful explanations of the connection of heavy metals and microbial infections and why chlorella, etc. If you can't find it, let me know. I will pull it up for you.
Treepatrol , I did not particularly like the aroma of cilantro either. Once I realized how it was pulling the heavy metals out of my face, I began to like and appreciate every drop of it. I still drink the tea often. I use it now mainly to counter the aluminum distributed over our heads by the Chemtrails that I see flying above almost every day this summer. I am sure you are aware of that happening.
Foggy , most chlorella on the American market come from Asia. Little and big farmers grow it and it is taken to a collective (like we do with fruits here) and then sold on the open market. Who cares how much toxins it picked up while growing??? I would not touch that stuff.
That is why I use Biopure. Biopure is grown by one company, with great care, and sold directly. That is the brand Dr. K. recommends to his patients and he keeps a close watch on it. If it does not test well for his patients and does not work for his patients, he will not use a product. It is also assayed continuously. That's my barometer also.
Lymelighter , I have seen the study (there are several) many times during lectures (Power Point). They all come from Japan. Obviously!! I probably have one if I start digging in my hundreds of papers. Go do a search on Dr. Yoshiaki Omura, the father of cilantro, who actually discovered its effects on mercury many years ago and is active in research institutions in Japan. I hope you find it and show it here. I will ask Dr. Klinghardt for a copy.
Kristin , please read some of my many posts. You will find a lot of information if you read even the stuff you don't want to know.
Read and learn all you can. Go only with a dentist who knows that mercury is toxic and deadly and who will protect you and himself when he removes it. Then find a doctor who can help you with the detox. It takes experience and someone that can do ART or another good form of muscle testing. Do not try to do it yourself by following someones "advice" out of a book.
Most regular dentists know that mercury is not permitted in the town sewer, but perfectly harmless in your mouth. We have one dentist here on this board who does not have a clue of the damage done to innocent people. Some people live well with a few fillings, but many people get very ill wuith a tiny amount of mercury.
Amy , I answered most your questions above. It takes reading and learning to do it right. Find a professional, someone who can do ART or another form of energetic testing to find out if you are heavy metal toxic. If you have fillings in your mouth, have a chronic ailment, you probably shoul look into heavy metal toxicity. Dr. K. believes that it is part of the base of any chronic disease. I have met hundreds of his patients and have not found it to be any different. We live in a toxic world.
We know that if Chlorella is not grown clean, is toxic. That is the nature of the plant. It picks up all the toxins from its surrounding, including the air. The same goes for Garlic that is a wonderful antiviral, antibacterial agent. It cured at least half of my Lyme. But only use an organic garlic. Why spend money to buy yourself another toxin??? Just make sure you get the purest that will help you to get well.
The amount that should be taken, etc. - go to www.neuraltherapy.com and read the articles. They contain all the information that has been collected and proven to work over many years. Read "Clinical Pearls from 30 years of practice" by Dr. K., also on his website.
Read and learn first. We often only hear what we want to hear! Most mercury is not where it can be removed with Chlorella. Most mercury is in the brain. Has to be mobilized there with certain agents and pharma drugs. It will go into circulation, with some other agents, and mopped up with Chlorella in the gut and moved out from there, hopefully. It is tricky - it easily moves back into the brain where you don't want it - so don't try it alone, but only with expert help.
Many herxheimers are metals in circulation - many symptoms that we assume as caused by Lyme - are caused by heavy metal toxicity and moving metals. Yeast is not only the result of ABX, but more than anything else caused by heavy metal toxicity. Different therapies, such as Rife, Salt & C, lasers, KMT, massages, abx, herbs, parasite cleanses, cause metals to be mobilized and unless you prepare for that beforehand, you will feel more miserable after the therapy than before. That is not a herxheimer, but metal toxicity in action. Then when the metals settle down again at a different place in your body, you will feel better for a bit, until the next therapy stirs things up anew. On and on. The majority of the microbes might long be dead.
Take care.
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