Topic: How could i fight a cold if immune so weak?
cantgiveupyet
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I posted last week about having a cold, well it is starting to go away now.
Im just not sure i understand how i was able to fight it off, since my CD57 is a 10 and i cant get rid of the yeast/lyme.
Also this is the first cold ive had in 6 years...its just a mystery to me. I usually would get sore throats that would go into bronchitis.
I believe i am now a medical mystery.
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pos babs, bart, igenex WB igm/igg Posts: 3156 | From Lyme limbo | Registered: Oct 2005
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geniveve
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i'm in the exact same boat, lyme, systemic yeast and now i have a damn strep throat.......
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Jellybelly
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I've said this in the past and I'll say it again. When it comes to Lyme, there is nothing wrong with our immune system. The problem is the nature of Lyme. It resides inside of cells where our immune system can't get at it without attacking us.
If there is anything wrong in later chronic Lyme it is that the immune system is over active. It is not at all uncommon for us to not get sick, but still feel sick all of the time.
The healthier I get, the more often I catch a cold. My doc has said to me that no cold or flu stood a chance against my over active immune system.
It's over active because it is on constant alert. It knows there is something there that does not belong, but it just can't get or even find it. It's there for a flash then disappears inside of a normal cell.
Then why do we have other problems like yeast? Well, I think yeast can also become intracellular. But then there are also different parts to the immune system. There is the Th1 part and the Th2 part. They go after different things. Can't remember which ways, but one side can become over active while the other may be somewhat weaker, do to the over activity of the other side.
So bringing them into balance is important. Interstingly enough, here is another reason to consider heparin, it balances Th1/Th2. It is a Th1/Th2 shifter or modulator.
You may be a mystery in the normal world,k but here you are VERY normal.
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cantgiveupyet
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Hang in there genieve..
Thanks jelly- i often say im in my own realm. I mean who would think i cant even eat a simple piece of fruit.
Before my cold, i felt like i was on the path to getting better and maybe i was since i got a cold for the first time in years.
And the immune theory makes sense...mine is probably overactive.
I just want my life back.
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pos babs, bart, igenex WB igm/igg Posts: 3156 | From Lyme limbo | Registered: Oct 2005
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quote: I've said this in the past and I'll say it again. When it comes to Lyme, there is nothing wrong with our immune system. The problem is the nature of Lyme. It resides inside of cells where our immune system can't get at it without attacking us.
If there is anything wrong in later chronic Lyme it is that the immune system is over active. It is not at all uncommon for us to not get sick, but still feel sick all of the time.
The healthier I get, the more often I catch a cold. My doc has said to me that no cold or flu stood a chance against my over active immune system.
I don't necessarily agree with this. Lyme can weaken your immune system. My CD counts have been low. I never get sick though. My LLMD said that he is witnessing Lyme lowering the CD counts in many of his patients. He said he didn't start seeing this trend until a few years ago.
I do agree with the fact that not getting sick is probably not a sign of a strong immune system but probably just the opposite.
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You said in a an earlier post that you were eating 'pears' - much to my knowledge almost all fruits have 'sugar'.
The yeast connection book explains this and says to eat only red apples.
In the beginning of my yeast I too was very limited to what I could eat, but the feeling of sickness far outweighed my jest for wanting to feel better.
I gave up alot of foods and programmed the mental mind to accept it and push on, and it time it did pay off.
My children and I often laugh because I have a death wish list of food, they are to feed me.
Yup I want Ice cream - boston creme donuts, pizza, pies, hogies, what ever they can shove into my mouth! LOL
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Jellybelly
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Duke, let me make this clarification. In the beginning part of this illness, many seem to catch everything that comes by. But, at some point, that seems to shift, where people no longer get sick at all. That is where the immune system seems to go into overdrive.
This is a really common scenario. You may be in the get sick phase. When it switches, who knows.
I'm not sure how one would conclude that NOT getting sick would indicate a weak immune system?? Can you explain more? Seems like one would be overcome with even the simplest of illnesses if the immune system was no longer able to function.
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quote: This is a really common scenario. You may be in the get sick phase. When it switches, who knows.
Like I said, I don't get sick. I have had one cold in twenty years and I have missed one day of work because of illness in that time period.
My weak immune system theory is that a healthy immune system makes antibodies against the foreign invaders. It is during this time when a normal immune system will get symptoms, weaken and get sick. When the same bug comes back at a later date it usually doesn't make a normal immune system sick because of the previous antibodies created. An immune system with Lyme doesn't make the antibodies or as many of them anymore. Lyme works on the CD8 cells which make the antibodies. Instead of making the antibodies and eliminating the invaders like a normal immune system. My theory is that with Lyme all of the organisms are just collecting in your body like a cesspool. Just my theory, but my LLMD does agree that a person with a healthy immune system will get sick more often than 1 day in twenty years.
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cantgiveupyet
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so, maybe my immune system is starting to work again...somewhat anyway....since ive been sick for a week.
I do know i have friends who get sick atleast 5 times a year with colds (like i did in my normal life) now in my new realm things are much different :-(
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pos babs, bart, igenex WB igm/igg Posts: 3156 | From Lyme limbo | Registered: Oct 2005
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Home made chicken soup with lots of chicken will boost the immune system. It is the chicken fat that makes it work. Transfats/vegetable oil weakens the immune sytem and the body organs.
Use coconut oil as cooking oil. Never had Lyme (my wife had lyme and is now cured) and we haven't had a cold in years. Coconut oil is a major booster for the immune system. Check Google...
Tj
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jelly, a quote " I've said this in the past and I'll say it again. When it comes to Lyme, there is nothing wrong with our immune system " i don't know how you can say this, we all consistently hear that we chronic lymies have low cd57 counts, Natural killer (NK) cells constitute a major component of the innate immune system, and are distinctive in that they attack cells that have been infected by microbes. please be careful what you say
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Glad you are feeling better!Waiting for my Western blot etc... but did receive my CD57 results- Re-read Dr. B's paper & still uncertain- normal is about 200, correct? Do most (all?) who definitely have LD test extremely low-and is this indicative of how long you may have been infected? Not sure what to make of this test- Sue
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Melanie Reber
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Hey Susie, here is a good CD57 article for you...
CD57 Explained: (darn it, they changed the link on us...let me do some digging)
Hey Can't, I feel like I am getting a cold as well...so sorry, it may be a good sign, maybe not...but it is hard to care when you just feel crummy
Hang in there, Melanie
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Melanie Reber
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sorry, I don't have the patience right now to wait for the stupid archive PDF to download...
BUT, if you do It WAS in the Public Health Alert...I think the last issue?
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Thanks! I'll try it-Just tried to PM you to get more info-your box is full! Sue
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Thanks-Melanie-found it-very informative & gives me hope that I haven't had LD for years (!!!!) -now to wait for the rest of the tests..... Hope you get over this cold quickly too! Tis the season already-husband is sick & many of my students- been washing my hands raw - Sue
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Jellybelly
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BBinme,
My NK cells are normal and my sons are actually high. I've beeen sick 38 years. Not everyones NK cells are low. Maybe they are at some point in this illness, but clearly not always.
This is what I have been told by doc and it seems to hold true in a lot of instances, not just mine.
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OK, so why did I used to get some sort of low level infection after every time I go out in public? Sore throat, sinus, cough, something like that. It's a little bit better since I am fanatical about washing my hands, using hand sanitizers, don't touch my eyes, etc. There's very little doubt in my mind that I'm constantly picking up something.
I've actually been like that most of my life (I think I had Lyme that long too). If there was something going around, I'd get it and have it for weeks or develop complications.
Wouldn't our immune systems eventually just get tired? Or maybe be "distracted" fighting Lyme? My immune system has never seemed to work right.
I don't have any scientific proof; it's just what's happening to me. Maybe someone can explain it to me. Pretty please.
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I've been wondering about this too. I haven't gotten sick in a few years even while being around other family members who have been sick. Normally I would have gotten what they had.. My cd57 count was last a 27. Lately I have been feeling that it might be a good thing if my body would catch something. Thanks for the explanation! Karen
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Now I'm really confused. My husband, who responded the best to treatment in my family, is NEVER sick with colds and flus. I on the other hand have always gotten sick even as a child. Every winter I would get bronchitis as a child and as an adult a sinus infrction and sometimes bronchitis every spring and every Fall. I am the sickest with Lyme in my household. My son falls somewhere in the middle. I have always assumed I have the lowest immune system becase I get sick a lot. I have not been sick at all, until now, since i started lyme treatment almost two years ago. So how do we explain that?
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