Topic: Cold Laser Therapy...Help On Frequencies-Please
troutscout
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Hey,
I can't remember which one of you uses the cold laser for treatment...but, I wanted know which laser and what frequencies.
Please. My local Chiro has a $16,000 cold laser machine...with a freq manual that shows Lyme...he is willing to go forward...but we just want to see what else is out there.
Thanks,
Kent
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I can't remember how to link past threads, but Jerry Travers, member# 9774 has recently discussed the cold laser and the progress he has made with the therapy.
Hope this helps! Blessings
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There is a chiro in AZ that is having great success treating lyme with a cold laser (violet runs $16k) per Erchonia, the manufacturer.
They sent me a list of frequencies I can fax you if you like. I've yet to find a practitioner in my area with the violet laser. Violet is supposed to be best by far.
Contact me if interested.
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i haven't been around for a few days. i have done about 14 treatments so far with the cold laser. the doc says my lyme,babesia and ehrlichia,candida are done. he is now working on something similar to malaria that his manual calls "hatchlings" or something for lack of a better term. i am getting around much better, still have some joint swelling but i am not finished yet. this seems to be the only thing that is really working for me.
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i believe the ehrchonia machine that my doc uses has blue light, or that is what they call it.
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sorry for the error-- the erchonia laser machine that my doctor uses is red light cold laser.
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troutscout
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hey guys....
Yes it is the erchonia laser at his place.
I would LOVE to have those frequencies.....please PM me your phone number and I will call you you with the best time to fax those numbers.
Thanks!!!
Hey Jerry...could you give me your chiro's number? Or Pm YOUR number?
I would appreciate it.
Trout
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Trout, the best case would be muscle testing to see which freqs your body needs. That takes the guessing out of it. That's what my chiro does.
If your chiro doesn't muscle test, I bet he knows a chiro who does. They would be a huge asset to improvement. It might not even be lyme freqs that your body needs right away. I could be staph, strep, malaria, yellow fever, molds etc, etc.
Take care, Pam
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troutscout
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Thanks Map.
I understand that and have used that...in fact...that's what I do currently and was my intent here. Of course you didn't know that.
Dolphin lady............I can't PM you because your PM box is full.
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just another update on the cold laser therapy-- after being so sick and crippled for almost a year and a half and trying about 150 different herbs,products,etc, though no antibiotics --i am finally seeing some improvements. after living and sleeping in a recliner chair for the last few months and only being able to get up -barely-to go to the bathroom--i am able to walk,my swollen joints are down considerably and this past friday i dug 12 5-gallon buckets of sweet potatoes from the garden. i was wondering about this for awhile and i did have some major herxes too. not done yet though-more to go . and hopefully to find out what is the problem with the immune system that causes a person to be taken down with lyme.
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I've been using a muscle testing chiro doc for over two years now. Not once has muscle testing shown my body needs lyme known rife freqs.
Just last month rickettsia came up for treatment during muscle testing. I've always suspected a ricketsia/rocky mountain infection, because of the typical rash I developed all over my body the summer of 99.
Of course every rocky mountain test has been negative. What else is new?????
Trout, life can become somewhat normal with alternative therapies. Good luck.
Take care, Pam
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Marnie
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Interesting. Make more ATP -> drive Mg-ATP pump? ATP to increase acetylcholine (Bb can't break it down) and thus "steal" from Bb the choline it would like to have?
Far infrared looks to open acetylcholine channels. Then the muscles are able to relax.
"The interaction of acetylcholine with ATP was studied using proton NMR. T1 measurements indicate the formation of a complex with a probable composition of
***four (4) acetylcholine molecules for each ATP molecule.***"
Negative...insur. company says won't pay for treatments (link wrapped - go to Cigna and go to CIGNA HEALTHCARE COVERAGE POSITION and scroll to low level laser for some interesting (!) comments):
Might be beneficial to take some Mg + B vits and lecithin one hour prior to this treatment, so if more ATP is released/formed, Mg would "be there" to form Mg-ATP?
Sounds like treatments should be ongoing. Don't expect miracles overnight.
In plants:
These data seem to imply that one of the functions of the phytochrome-mediated response to red light in roots,
regulated by acetylcholine,
is to cause the rapid utilization of ATP pools;
***far red light appears to inhibit this utilization.***
Plant Physiol. 1972 January; 49(1): 1-7.
Curious.
Red, cold, healing, long wavelength, lowest frequency - versus - blue, hot, destructive, shortest wavelength, highest frequency?
Confusing...I know. We typically think of red as hot and blue as cold, but...
"This means that blue photons have more energy than red photons.
This indicates that hotter objects, which have high energies, probably emit more energy in blue photons than cool objects do.
Therefore,
the hotter an object is, the bluer it will be.
An object at about 7000 degrees Celsius will be blue, while an object at about 4000 degrees will be red. This is why we say that hot stars are blue and cool stars are red.
Anything cooler than 4000 degrees will have most of its emission in non-visible light - but it will emit more in the red range than in the blue range, because the former is closer to the peak. This is why almost all the heated objects we see are red - we rarely get things hot enough to be blue! "
Violet, the combination of the above colors (red and blue)...the ultimate healing color?
It IS the 1st Chakra...head.
"The violet chakra relates to the top of the head and the pineal gland and"
Halt.
Pineal...melatonin...
Unlike Rife, this therapy appears to help us to make more ATP as opposed to DIRECTLY destroying the pathogens.
Indirectly, it may indeed work/help.
More to the point...is this what you are looking for?
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Marnie
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Jerry...
"E. Required by immunological process. Magnesium, immunity, and allergy: Mg is required for several steps of immunological reactions 1. Lymphoblastic transformation, a prerequisite of secretion of antibodies by lymphoblasts, requires Ca2+ and Mg2+
2. Mg is required for synthesis of proteins, immunoglobulins included
3. Antibody-induced complement activation is Mg dependent
4. The antigen-immunoglobulin-complement reaction induces degranulation of the mastocyte
a. The degranulated mastocyte releases various substances, mainly histimine
b. Ca2+ and Mg2+ competition appears to regulate secretion of histamine by the mastocytes
i. Ca2+ ion stimulates secretion of histamine
ii. Mg2+ ion inhibits the secretion
5. Disorders in immunity and allergy-like symptoms have been described in Mg deficiency
Go to the above to learn more...you're going to be amazed.
Also:
Lyme disease and magnesium deficiency
V. CRISTEA - Department of Immunopathology, Medical Clinic III, "Iuliu Hatieganu" University of Medicine and Pharmacy, MONICA CRIAN - Department of Immunology, "Ion Chiricu" Oncological Institute, Cluj-Napoca, Romania
During the period April 2001 - January 2003, we had under observation two cases, in which the presence of both IgM and IgG antibodies to Borrelia burgdorferi was serologically confirmed at high titers.
In both cases, clinical manifestations were similar: shivering, fever, headache, articular and right hypochondrium pain, and objectively - tachycardia and erythema migrans - these elements being important for the formulation of Lyme disease suspicion.
Humoral tests showed: significantly increased ESR, leukocytosis with PMN predominance, intensely positive PCR (for B. Burgdorferi DNA)
and significant magnesium deficiency (1.20 mEq/L, 1.33 mEq/L, respectively).
A large spectrum of antibiotics with both oral and parenteral administration has been so far used in the treatment of Lyme borreliosis.
Among the most frequently used are tetracyclines, betalactamides and cephalosporins.
The decision to initiate antibiotic therapy can be difficu1t because in the majority of the cases acute infection is self-limited. Asymptomatic patients, in whom laboratory examinations sustain the diagnosis of Lyme disease, should be treated in order to prevent rnfection dissemination.
Since in the first case antibiotic therapy alone did not lead to the expected results, magnesium derivatives were also associated.
In both cases, following combined therapy, symptomatology significantly improved at 14 days, and laboratory examinations were restored to normal values after 6-8 weeks - disappearance of IgM to B. Burgdorferi and significantly increased magnesemia (1.74 mEq/L, 1.72 mEq/L, respectively)
We believe that in certain diseases, Mg deficiency can cause a decrease in immune response. The appearance of recurrences, which are frequently reported in the literature, in spite of adequate antibiotic therapy, could represent an argument for this.
This is why the use of Mg derivatrves in therapy can represent an immunostimulating factor. The peculiarities of the cases are the following:
1. Patients had in addition to fever, articular pain and erythema migrans, Mg deficiency
2. The supplementation of therapy with Mg derrvatives had an immediate beneficial effect that was maintained in time.
As a conclusion at this stage, we consider that in the acute phase of Lyme borreliosis there is a significant Mg consumption and the introduction in therapy of such preparations is recommended and beneficial.
Jerry, pay very close attention to the % decrease in the Mg levels initially. They are astounding!
Not enough Mg to "spare" fast enough to fight this very toxic pathogen (and its "friends" who chum along for the ride).
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Marnie
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Hey, guys...Kent (Troutscout) is onto something!!!
Far infrared (delivered via a cold laser) looks to open acetylcholine channels. It also looks to help us to make more ATP...a very good thing.
(Thanks, Kent, for the info. on cold lasers which led to 5 hours of research yesterday.)
Did any of you happen to catch Extreme Makeover Home Edition last night? Well...they provided the family with a far-infrared (not hot) sauna for their child suffering with cerebral palsy to relax the child's muscles (acetylcholine signals muscles to contract).
Interesting...open the channels...
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I'm glad to finally hear some discussion here about laser. Thanks to a dentist friend I used a cold pulsed laser to treat my face which remained numb after Bell's Palsy (from LD). Cold pulsed lasers have been shown to promote nerve regeneration.
I treated various spots along my jaw line, above my lips and behind my ears. Within minutes I felt tingling in the numb areas. Within an hour I was herxing. That was followed my feeling like I was getting a cold. That lasted for a week.
I continued having treatments every week or 2. I probably had 10-12 treatments. Each time I would feel better right away and would be able to smile without difficulty. After 6 days the numbness would start to come back but not as bad as before.
Thanks to this treatment my face looks as normal as it did before Bell's Palsy. Much of the time it feels normal. When I am fatigued there is some numbness. I'm going to get a few more treatments. I don't know what I would have done without this treatment.
Cold Pulsed lasers are not well known in this country. There is much research from Japan & Scandinavia. Dentists are finding out about it though since it can treat TMJ. There are some dentists reporting success treating all sorts of non dental problems with the laser.
I recall there were 2 settings on the machine. Frequency & modulation. I think I used 80/20. I was told to experiment and go with whatever setting seemed to work. hats
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troutscout
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Yes the ATP connection...exactly what the Chiro FOCUSED on.
Also...the Bells Palsy Thingy.....I herxed in the jaw...when I first statred rife...BIG TIME...gues where I wanted to start this first....you guessed it....upper right back jaw...tada. Cavitation.
Thanks....Jerry...I'll call
Where the heck is Doplin Lady?
I have also piqued the interest of Nurse Practicioner about this procedure..she was VERY interested to say the least.
Thanks Ya-ll,
Trout
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Sorry about being MIA - having a rough month. I feel set back by a bad flu, travel and other stressors including emotional stuff. Am very discouraged because was doing really well before all this. Am moving very slow to not at all.
My deepest apologies for not getting back to you sooner. Sent you a PM.
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Marnie
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Up.
Now that abx. are being "taken away"...you might want to consider this "alternative treatment" that may help...over time.
Note: This is not "far fetched". It is used to treat cerebral palsy patients who have constant muscle contractions (acetylcholine issues). The newest far infrared saunas are not "hot" to sit in. I saw one on Extreme Makeover Home Edition (TV show).
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What do you know about the NEAR infrared light healing properties?
Bales Scientific makes a machine called the Photonic Stimulator and is being used with impressive success in many situtations, neuropathy, failed back symdrome, headaches of all kinds, carpel tunnel and more that I just can't think of at the moment.
I'm not a science type but it is supposed to help with ATP in the cells, increase circulation, decrease inflammation and speeds healing of injuries, wounds, surgery etc.
Also, this particular machine is able to penetrate 6 inches into the body.
Would be interested in your thoughts. Thanks. DL
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Marnie
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Now some more...
In order to visualize Bb under a microscope, we need some forms of the color blue, such as: Azure B and Methylene Blue.
So it looks like Bb "absorbs" this color OR is it REFLECTING that color i.e., nitrogen in Bb's outer cell wall?
When we "see" a red rose, it is because it is REFLECTING the color red.
Now...the "flip" of blue is orange.
This is the range for orange:
[ 482 - 502 THz ]
Does this frequency/infrared range destroy amylase and lipase?
UV light will destroy amylase. That is known. Much more powerful and destructive.
What does this mean?
"It can be seen that the highest frequencies of the phonon density states are 13.97, 13.39, 13.22 and 11.37 THz for T5Cr, Fe, Mn, Cu, respectively."
Whoa... waaaay beyond me...but if a far infrared sauna will help...I'm all for it!
The following is interesting...how infrared (not far infrared) appears to work:
(Someone was speculating about using an infrared light in their refrigerator to help preserve foods.)
"However, infrared IR light does not have this much energy; it merely
causes the *vibration of bonds in a compound*.
So can these mere vibrations really preserve food? According to some sparse literature, yes!
They suggest that it is heat that kills the microorganisms. Remember that heat is just molecular movement caused by the bond vibrations.
The wavelength of IR is rather short (around 10 micrometers) so the depth of penetration of the light is also of this order.
So essentially only the very surface of the food is actually heated by IR and there is really not much competition between your refrigerator cooling the meat and the light warming it. (Do a quick geometry calculation and compare the amount of meat actually heated to the total amount to see for yourself!)
And also consider that only a fraction of the surface is facing the light so the dark side is continually being cooled. You could even compare the mass of the thermometer to the mass of the point the thermometer touched to see that a rise in 1 degree C means that the very thin surface must be quite hot!)
It is also important to note that the IR would heat and kill any spores or microorganisms that float into your refrigerator hoping to land on some meat. It seems to me that both of these heating effects are important.
There may also be something more subtle occurring.
***IR light is absorbed by certain chemical groups, particularly nitrogen-hydrogen (N-H) bonds and oxygen-hydrogen (O-H) bonds. ***
Many biological compounds contain these groups and their functionality is dependent upon their shape. For example, a protein involved in transporting nutrients across a bacterial membrane may have three or four different, but very specific, shapes that it must go through in order to complete the task.
If certain bonds are vibrating all over the place (and for a large molecule like a protein there are hundreds of modes of vibration) it may not be able to stay in a certain shape long enough to finish that portion of its task. If enough proteins (and other bio-molecules) are unable to function then the organism dies!"
Infrared is usually divided into 3 spectral regions: near, mid and far-infrared.
The boundaries between the near, mid and far-infrared regions are not agreed upon and can vary.
The main factor that determines
which wavelengths
are included in each of these three infrared regions is the type of detector technology used for gathering infrared light."
So it appears the wavelength of infrared varies from near to mid to far - with far having a greater wavelength range.
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We have used color, light (photon) and sound during our healing journey. They all have their place. Dr. K. has been using these therapies for many years. Here is a translation of a paragraph of his book (1995).
We still listen to the sound of colors via CD's - Some are quite pleasant - . Yes, sound from the colors surrounding us over our loudspeakers........
We used the "Photon Wave" extensively. It is considered the Rolls Royce of the color therapy devides. Conceived by the late John Searfoss, manufactured by Leona Vermeire in Belgium. This instrument works by shining pulsed light into the eyes. Each color has a bandwidth of 10 nm. Over 60 color combinations are possible. This instrument is equally used to heal the brain, detoxify the CNS (Central Nervous System) as it is used to bring up buried memories and traumatic events. This instrment is most widely used in Europe by many neurologists, neurosurgeons, counselor, psychoanalysts, etc.
We have used the Voice Spectrum analyzer . It is a diagnostic instrument that allows one to determine the most healing color for a given client, at this time. The voic4e is analyzed for defects in the individual voice spectrum. The missing frequencies are determined by a sophisticated computer. Then a mathematical calculation is made that determines the higher octaves of this frequency range and establishes the color, which is the exact higher octave - in the visible range - that equals the missing sound frequency in the person's vocal chords. The vocal chords are innervated by the vagus nerve and carre all information about the person's health and illness. The instrument is either used in conjunction with the color glasses or the photon wave, or the sound/color CD's. (The same technology is used by the CIA in lie detection equipment.
Some Facts and Research on Using Color and Light for Healing translated from: ``Lehrbuch der Psycho-Kinesiologie- ein neuer Weg in der psychosomatischen Medizin'' (Textbook of Psycho-Kinesiology - a new approach in psychosomatic medicine) Dietrich K.Klinghardt, MD, PhD Verlag Hermann Bauer, Freiburg, Germany 1995
Click the link for a brief explanation.
You can sit in your Farinfrared Sauna, play the color/sound CD's and get a double whammy treatment- and hold your infrared laser in your hand to aid your aching knee......... .... talk to your doctor if you have one that understands this sort of thing. Seriously, I have done all of them separately.
As far as sound: We have CD's of all the different microbial infections/frequencies (Borrelia, etc. on one CD; viruses on one CD; myco fungi on one CD, etc. etc.) They sound like crickets chirping - play them low. Just another added modality to awaken the bugs. Described by Dr. K. as follows:
"Entrainment CD's - these CD's use pulsed electromagnetic sounds and frequencies which are emitted by microbes in their natural habitat. They are recorded with ultrasensitive microphones. By feeding this information back to the host-organism, the cells of the immune system become alerted to the presence of these "stealth" microbes, which are otherwise not recognized and not attended to.
Most effective is the anit-viral CD. Viruses are not alive on their own. They are pure information. It makes sense to treat information with information (principle of homeopathy: "likes cure likes". I recommend using any of the CD's nomore than every other day for the full length of the CD."
Take care.
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News recently...scientists have figured out how to... get this...
LISTEN TO MELANOMA cancer cells. They can HEAR them and track them in the body...which would make targeting much easier.
OR...find a frequency/wavelength to disrupt them.
Science Fiction...running a hand-held scanner over the body to detect problems...like in Star Trek...is fast approaching.
We use far infrared for bomb detection TODAY.
Somehow, it is picking up nitrogen in compounds.
It might be working similar to ultrasound...bouncing back. Sonar detection. You fishermen know all about that ;-)
Harnessing the "lesser" powers of the electromagnetic spectrum to heal.
Hello Madame Curie.
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