Marnie
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See #10, but first:
1. Choline uptake is Na and Cl dependent. (And we know Bb is after choline.)
2. The ATP-dependent Na+/K+ pump exchanges the accumulated Na+ for extracellular K+, reducing intracellular Na+ levels (sodium is supposed to be outside the cell, potassium inside)
3. In lyme, it appears the pump above does not work as well because
4. For every N2 (nitrogen), 16 molecules of ATP are hydrolyzed. Hum, there's the #16 again....remember the list? 16 hydrogen molecules in melatonin, acetylcholine, ATP, AZT, warfarin, Rocephin, biotin, thiamine (B1), etc.
5. When a protein is hydrolyzed, the amino acid chains in the protein are broken, and individual amino acids are freed. Acids, enzymes, and/or fermentation processes are used to hydrolyze protein.
6. Because energy production is dramatically decreased during periods of cellular hypoxia or anoxia, the ATPs produced during ischemia--as well as a portion of those existing before ischemia--are rapidly consumed.
This process results in the net release of one hydrogen ion per ATP hydrolyzed--thus, two hydrogen ions per glucose (Fig. 1).8,10 These hydrogen ions, coupled with the lactate, result in an intracellular lactic acidosis that is toxic to the cell. Of these two moieties, only the former (the hydrogen ion) is believed to be toxic.4 The toxicity does not seem to be related to the osmotic load of glucose or to be a direct effect of lactate.11
7. Nitrogen maybe being utilized to make N-acetyltransferase (or DNA or ATP?)...one of the 2 enzymes needed to convert serotonin to the powerful antioxidant, melatonin which looks to be overproduced (at least initially) in lyme (melatonin helps us to fall asleep. It is triggered by norepinephrine the ``flip'' of acetylcholine.
8. Nitrogen is reduced to ammonia.
9. Melatonin contains a H-N bond, an indole
10. Infrared is absorbed by H-N and O-H bonds (which might be how exposure to the morning sun converts melatonin back to serotonin)
11. Bb has C-acetyltransferase...choline acetyltransferase. Perhaps it is depleting this enzyme...which would greatly impact ``thinking''.
It is curious that ``Transection of the hypoglossal nerve resulted in a loss of high-affinity choline transporter immunoreactivity in neurons within the ipsilateral hypoglossal motor nucleus, which paralleled a loss of immunoreactivity to choline acetyltransferase.''
IN ANIMAL EXPERIMENTS.
However, this is also curious: Wu et al. (1999) reported that systemic administrations of raloxifene reversed the ovariectomy-induced reduction in choline acetyltransferase activity in the hippocampus of rats.
12. Perry et al (1978) showed a consistent decline in cholinergic markers in senile dementia and the
reduction in choline acetyltransferase activity correlated with intellectual impairment, as measured by a memory information test, in depressed and demented patients.
13. Raloxifene is used to prevent and treat osteoporosis, a disease common in women past menopause, which results in bones that break easily. Raloxifene is in a class of medications called selective estrogen receptor modulators (SERMs).
It works by acting similar to estrogen, a female hormone produced by the body. Like estrogen, raloxifene increases the density of bone. (Melatonin also stimulates osteoblasts...bone building.) In addition, raloxifene also lowers total and low-density lipoprotein (LDL) cholesterol (also known as ``bad'' cholesterol) but won't raise high-density lipoprotein (HDL) cholesterol (also known as ``good'' cholesterol).
It was announced on April 17, 2006, that raloxifene is as effective as tamoxifen in reducing the incidence of breast cancer in certain high risk groups of females, though with a reduced risk of thromboembolic events and cataracts in patients taking raloxifene versus those taking tamoxifen. Raloxifene is produced by Eli Lilly Pharmaceuticals and is sold under the brand name Evista .SERMs (selective estrogen receptor modulator) mimic estrogen in some tissues and have anti-estrogen activity in others.
While taking raloxifene, you shouldn't take other medicines that lower cholesterol levels, like cholestyramine (one brand name: Questran). And you shouldn't take estrogen at the same time, in injections, pills or patches. If you're taking warfarin (one brand name: Coumadin), your doctor may want to check your prothrombin time (time it takes for your blood to clot) more often and adjust your dosage of warfarin.
Common adverse events considered to be drug-related were hot flashes and leg cramps. Raloxifene may infrequently cause serious blood clots to form in the legs, lungs, or eyes. Other reactions experienced include leg swelling/pain, trouble breathing, chest pain, vision changes.
Eli Lilly, the manufacturer of raloxifene, recently issued a warning that use of raloxifene may be associated with increased risk of death from stroke.
The chemical designation is methanone, [6-hydroxy-2-(4-hydroxyphenyl)benzo[b]thien-3-yl]-[ 4-[ 2-( 1-piperidinyl) ethoxy] phenyl]-, hydrochloride. Raloxifene hydrochloride (HCl) has the empirical formula C28H27NO4S * HCl .
14. Cu (copper, which drops in lyme) induces a conformational change of all peptides,
rearranging internal hydrogen bonds
at least in a portion of the peptide, and slightly promoting aggregation. FTIR spectra indicated also that the
hydroxyl (O-H) group of tyrosine 10 participates in Cu, but not in Zn, binding.
Is this why tyrosine drops and NFkB is not Inactivated?
If far infrared breaks O-H and N-H bonds...does it free up tyrosine to INactivate NFkB?
15.ATP: Energy is usually liberated from the ATP molecule to do work in the cell by a reaction that removes one of the phosphate-oxygen groups, leaving adenosine diphosphate (ADP). When the ATP converts to ADP, the ATP is said to be spent.
Then the ADP is usually immediately recycled in the mitochondria where it is recharged and comes out again as ATP. In the words of Trefil (1992, p. 93) ``hooking and unhooking that last phosphate [on ATP] is what keeps the whole world operating.''
The enormous amount of activity that occurs inside each of the approximately one hundred trillion human cells is shown by the fact that at any instant each cell contains about one billion ATP molecules. This amount is sufficient for that cell's needs for only a few minutes and must be rapidly recycled.
Given a hundred trillion cells in the average male, about 1023 or one sextillion ATP molecules normally exist in the body. For each ATP ``the terminal phosphate is added and removed 3 times each minute'' The total human body content of ATP is only about 50 grams, which must be constantly recycled every day.
The ultimate source of energy for constructing ATP is food; ATP is simply the carrier and regulation-storage unit of energy. The average daily intake of 2,500 food calories translates into a turnover of a whopping 180 kg (400 lbs) of ATP (Kornberg, 1989, p. 65).
ATP contains the purine base adenine and
the sugar ribose
which together form the nucleoside adenosine. The basic building blocks used to construct ATP are carbon, hydrogen, nitrogen, oxygen, and phosphorus which are assembled in a complex that contains the number of subatomic parts equivalent to over 500 hydrogen atoms. One phosphate ester bond and two phosphate anhydride bonds hold the three phosphates (PO4) and the ribose together.
The construction also contains a b-N glycoside bond holding the ribose and the adenine together. Phosphates are well-known high-energy molecules, meaning that comparatively high levels of energy are released when the phosphate groups are removed.
Actually, the high energy content is not the result of simply the phosphate bond but the total interaction of all the atoms within the ATP molecule.Because the amount of energy released when the phosphate bond is broken is very close to that needed by the typical biological reaction, little energy is wasted.
Generally, ATP is connected to another reaction--a process called coupling which means the two reactions occur at the same time and at the same place, usually utilizing the same enzyme complex.
Release of phosphate from ATP is exothermic (a reaction that gives off heat) and the reaction it is connected to is endothermic (requires energy input in order to occur). The terminal phosphate group is then transferred by hydrolysis to another compound, a process called phosphorylation, producing ADP, phosphate (Pi) and energy.
The ATP synthase revolving door resembles a molecular water wheel that harnesses the flow of hydrogen ions in order to build ATP molecules.
15. The amount of H+ produced or consumed per mole of ATP hydrolyzed depends on the pH,
and at pH 7 this biochemical reaction produces about 0.6 mole of H+ per mole of ATP hydrolyzed.
I wish I understood this:
How can the change in binding of hydrogen ions and magnesium ions (a) be determined from measurements of K' and (b) be calculated without making measurements of K'? (c) How are the bindings of hydrogen ions and magnesium ions linked?
(a) The change in the binding of hydrogen ions DrN(H+) is given by (94ALBc) DrN(H+) = - ()P,pMg DrN(Mg2+) = - ()P,pH Note that the amount of H+ produced per mole of reaction is - DrN(H+).
(b) If the acid dissociation constants and dissociation constants of complex ions containing magnesium ions are known for all of the reactants, the average bindings of H+ and Mg2+ by each of the reactants can be calculated. Taking the differences yields DrN(H+) and DrN(Mg2+).
(c) The linkage relation is ()P,pH = ()P,pMg
These relations are discussed in 98ALBa. The nitrogenase reaction is extremely pH-dependent because 10H+ are consumed per mole of N2 reduced (94ALBa). Ror a discussion of the importance of the pH dependence of K' see 93ALB/COR.
HELP...anyone?
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Marnie
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I'm really mad...not ONE of you responded to this "new" information. Not one bothered to TRY to learn.
Thanks to Kent (Troutscout), I began researching far infrared (in depth...for hours and hours and hours). I'm excited about the REAL possibility of using this healing mode...ESPECIALLY since you all are going to be denied nonstop abx. and will NEED TO FIND another safe healing mode.
If you don't want to help yourself, I'm going to stop trying to help you to
LEARN.
You MUST UNDERSTAND WHAT THIS PATHOGEN IS DOING TO YOU IN ORDER TO FIGURE OUT HOW TO COMBAT IT.
I do not want to hear, "You don't know what it's like. You don't have lyme."
Many of you just don't try. You are not willing to even THINK FOR YOURSELF. Some of you want ME to tell you what to do. I won't. I will tell you what I would do. I will offer suggestions based on what I know, but it is up to YOU entirely.
Years ago, when I had a broken elbow and the doctor told me I would never be able to turn my hand palm up, I sat on the couch at night with tears streaming down my face...slowly, slowly exercising that arm until I COULD turn that hand palm up.
YOUR healing starts with YOU.
The less you exercise your mind, the faster you are going to lose it.
Push yourselves.
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Whoa, whoa, whoa, hold up there friend. I can understand that you're angry because you did something wanting to help others and didn't receive the gratitude and response you were hoping for. That's natural. However, before you go out there on a "I'm angry now so I won't help you again" rampage, just a few things to take into consideration.
1. Although I'm sure it was very wise, very informed, and very well-intended, your post was also very long. A lot of us lymies here just don't have the brain power to read and understand a post that long and that scientific. Especially not in one sitting. And if we can't read it, how can we respond to it honestly? This trouble is not a matter of 'exercising our mind' or 'pushing ourselves', it's a real symptom of this illness and something we have to deal with. Telling people with this issue to 'work their mind' is like telling someone with a broken leg to go for a run. It's not a matter of motivation.
2. There are so many posts and so many places on this board to look at, that sometimes things just get buried and don't get noticed. I know that's hard and dissapointing, but it's true nonetheless, and no one is to blame for it.
3. Last but not least, the thing you've GOT to remember is that most of us on the board here are people that are sick. Sometimes we just don't have the energy to do things and we have to accept that. It's possible that your post wasn't responded to because of just that--people were too tired to read it all, or maybe too tired to even get on and look at it.
So. I'm not telling you what to do. Just wanted to point out a few things to remember before you decide how you'll respond to your post not getting answered. Thanks for thinking of us and offering your assistance. Bear with us here, we all make mistakes. Posts: 89 | From UT | Registered: Jun 2006
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Where have you been, Marnie? I have been posting about Far Infrared/Infrared lasers for years. We have been doing it for years. I have posted about various forms of lasers.
I do not, however, try to reinvent the wheel, with pages of laser's biochemical actions and reactions. Laser technology has been used in Europe for decades - admittedly, it is a little slow penetrating into the US. It is being used for detoxing of every sort, as are sound, photon and microcurrent devices, all used for similar purposes.
I have never considered myself stupid. But honestly, I cannot follow your posts. Sorry, I just don't have the time and am not in the mood to follow your mental jumps which are totally unnecessary. The science and proof of lasers is readily available to anyone who is interested who wants to go into the depth of it. If Dr. K. during his extensive seminars where he discusses all of these devices and methods were to go into these details, people would get up and leave or they would go to sleep. These are doctors, dentists and medical practitioners. No one has the time.
We know lasers work if applied properly and timely. We know that red laser light is antifungal, antibacterial and antiviral. We know that infrared light at certain nm's penetrates about 2 inches. We know that Infrared activates ATP production inside the cell. We know that it increases the parasympathetic tone and decreases the sympathetic tone (which is a big problem for most Lymies - the out of balance Autonomics). We know that it acts as a vasodilator. We know that we can detox heavy metals with lasers. It was discussed here recently and poopooed accordingly, as well.
I have talked about the Light Shield laser that can be used for healing the injured gut, back pain, liver, kidneus and the jaw. For many other applications.
The visible red and infrared laser can be used for dental pain, jaw and trigger point pain, healing of extraction sites. Great for sprained ligaments and traumatized tissues. Great for healing wounds or fractures. For spinal injuries and coma, stroke, MS (IR only). It can be used to increase plant growth and eliminate plant pests (mold and insects). It gets at our undesirable microbes within us.
My red laser, the magic wand, is the most commonly used lymph equipment in other countries. It is shaped like a hammer: one end emits monochromatic red laser light. It has been shown that this lighgt helps to increase the temperature of the lymph fluid. This inactivates viruses and many known pathogens. It also creates vasodilation and lowers sympathetic tone. The other end contains a mild UV and strong field emitting purple bulb which is breaking up lymph sludge (liquifies stagnant lymph). It makes it possible to manually move the lymph along the channels in the appropriate direction toward the entry points into the venous system. A lymph system that does not flow - dies - and we along with it. Toxins stay in, nutrients stay out of the cell.
I have moved sludge out of my sinuses and face where my major problems originally settled with this "gun" within a half hour.
We use small handheld pencil-like green lasers to activate all my acupuncture points. I don't go to an acupuncturist.
Every one of these different laser forms is effective and can be applied to a toxic Lyme body. Any of them will get things moving.
Some are expensive, some are not.
And some of the people consider it more unapproved FDA snake oil. Their loss.
Take care.
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Hi Marnie, I totally feel like a mixture of Mrs. Douglas and Mr. Kimble on Green Acres after reading your post. I really tried to understand and can not.
So the morning sun is a good thing? Are you talking about infrared light? I guess I should have searched far infrared.
Is this drug Roxaflene comparable?
By the way I made a new concoction with tonic water and I got the coldest chills,then fever and felt like my feet were on fire for 2 hours.
Sorry, I'm really not sure of what your post means except that maybe you are on to something. However, my lyme has been living in my brain for quite sometime.
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Marnie, you know we love you, but really, I'm having trouble coping because of hypoperfusion of the brain and the fatigue.
When I took big doses of Resveratrol, my brain started working again, and I was able to read and understand things that I had passed by for the last couple years.
(I could even understand what Kathleen was ranting about over at sci.med.lyme.)
I had to stop the Resveratrol because of kidney pain, so I'm not sure when I'll be able to kick start my mind again.
It's so bad that I sometimes pay the bills late. I finally made arrangements to just have my telephone bill deducted from the checking account.
I apologize for not responding to this post earlier, I guess I missed seeing it yesterday. I was in bed alot, meditating to ease the headache and the body pain.
I used my energy to wash several days worth of dishes, and to make supper. Then went back to bed.
Thanks for putting up with all of us ungrateful whiners.
Carol
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Hi marnie
I read it twice but was emabarassed to reply because I had some trouble digesting the info.
I really do push myself. I couldn't be operating this key board before treatment so I have come along way. Can I understand & respond smartly to all the posts? no, But I do try.
I love all your work and appreciate every one of your posts.
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Hi marnie
Just wanted to add your post on the oct 15th "melatonin cross..' was much more easy to read.
I will have another go at this because it does sound like you are on to something. Keep researching away. Sure sounds important. Even though I can't understand. What you do is sooooo important. If the researchers in the gov don't care much-you sure do!!
So keep up the good work and someday my brain will catch up there & I'l be able to better understand.
Nitric oxide protects the heart, stimulates the brain, kills bacteria, etc.
nobelprize.org/medicine/laureates/1998/press.html
Reporting in the Oct. 17 issue of the journal Cell, cardiologist Charles J. Lowenstein, M.D., and his team observed that
NO has the power to inhibit endothelial cells lining blood vessels
from releasing inflammatory substances.
"Nitric oxide may regulate exocytosis this way in a variety of diseases," says Lowenstein, an associate professor of medicine at Johns Hopkins. "For example,
nitric oxide blocks exocytosis from platelets,
preventing blood clots;
exocytosis from neurons,
decreasing neurotoxicity in strokes; and exocystosis from lymphocytes,
reducing autoimmune damage."
Nitric oxide bioavailability also has a strong influence on
glucose uptake,
so the researchers theorize that flavanols may also exert positive metabolic effects.
Nitric oxide also serves as a neurotransmitter between nerve cells.
Unlike most other neurotransmitters that only transmit information from a presynaptic to a postsynaptic neuron, the small nitric oxide molecule can diffuse all over and can thereby act on several nearby neurons, even on those not connected by a synapse.
It is conjectured that this process may be involved in memory through the maintenance of long-term potentiation.
We tested the hypothesis that nitric oxide (NO) augments vagal neurotransmission and bradycardia via phosphorylation of presynaptic calcium channels to
Bb has a PKC INHIBITOR. So the above is a "biggie". As NO looks to trigger the "counter" Bb's inhibitor.
The Nitric Oxide biochemical pathway can be influenced by these various co-factors: homocysteine, ADMA (asymmetric dimethylarginine), SOA (super oxide anion), SOD (super oxide dimutase) and perhaps the most critical of all NOS (nitric oxide synthase).
The relationship between these co-factors has a direct influence on the amount of arginine that can be converted (synthesized) to Nitric Oxide.
Remember, no matter how much arginine or arginine substrates (i.e. AAKG, arginine malate, arginine ethyl ester) you feed your body, the amount of Nitric Oxide you can produce is limited to these Nitric Oxide pathway co-factors.
The best way to explain it is that while arginine is the fuel, these co-factors are the parts which make up the Nitric Oxide engine.
Bottom line: Far infrared helps make/release NO which has many, many, many benefits.
A sauna, used daily, in one's own home would be incredibly valuable.
Brookstone catalog has one model available (cedar "closet" looking) that is supposedly easy to assemble and move. It runs $5,300 including S&H. This is the "hot" variety. As I understand it, some of the newest models are not nec. hot (vented?). Heat + far infrared seems to have a greater beneficial effect.
The above is just a small part of a lot of research I have been "up to" the past few days.
Most of the research was performed using subjects who took a DAILY far infrared sauna.
Gi Gi, you said, "But honestly, I cannot follow your posts. Sorry, I just don't have the time and am not in the mood to follow your mental jumps which are totally unnecessary."
Why do you bother reading my posts and respond to them?!
Perhaps many would find the "hows and whys" lectures boring and would fall asleep, but I am the curious sort. I want to know how and why something works so I can make a more knowledgeable decision whether or not this mode of treatment would be truly worth my time and money.
BTW.. Gi Gi you are only linked to (3) far infrared discussions on 12/11/2004, 3/27/2005 and 8/3/2005 with relationship to FIR and detoxing Hg before using FIR. No mention of ATP, or any of the other benefits you (and I) just talked about.
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Thanks GiGi & marnie
Wouldn't a hot bath penetrate the skin as well as INF saunas and open up/release NO?
Infared = wave length that is "heat" Am I totally wrong here?
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"FAR INFRARED ENERGY
*INDUCES CELLULAR PRODUCTION OF NITRIC OXIDE*
in the dialation of blood vessels (Nature's Viagra� !)
Nitric oxide protects the heart, stimulates the brain, kills bacteria, etc.
nobelprize.org/medicine/laureates/1998/press.html
Reporting in the Oct. 17 issue of the journal Cell, cardiologist Charles J. Lowenstein, M.D., and his team observed that
NO has the power to inhibit endothelial cells lining blood vessels
from releasing inflammatory substances.
"Nitric oxide may regulate exocytosis this way in a variety of diseases," says Lowenstein, an associate professor of medicine at Johns Hopkins. "For example,
nitric oxide blocks exocytosis from platelets,
preventing blood clots;
exocytosis from neurons,
decreasing neurotoxicity in strokes; and exocystosis from lymphocytes,
reducing autoimmune damage."
Nitric oxide bioavailability also has a strong influence on
glucose uptake,
so the researchers theorize that flavanols may also exert positive metabolic effects.
Nitric oxide also serves as a neurotransmitter between nerve cells.
Unlike most other neurotransmitters that only transmit information from a presynaptic to a postsynaptic neuron, the small nitric oxide molecule can diffuse all over and can thereby act on several nearby neurons, even on those not connected by a synapse.
It is conjectured that this process may be involved in memory through the maintenance of long-term potentiation.
We tested the hypothesis that nitric oxide (NO) augments vagal neurotransmission and bradycardia via phosphorylation of presynaptic calcium channels to
increase vesicular release of acetylcholine.
PMID: 11533140
Activation of protein kinase C by nitric oxide... "[
etc. etc.
Yes, Marnie, Dr. K. knows that FIR and IR are effective for these very reasons that you cite. It has been known for decades and that is why he uses it these instruments. That is why I have used these instruments. He calls it detoxing, because that is what in effect these instruments accomplish. First we have got to get the garbage out. Then you can add nutrients, etc.
The toxins of every sort are the cause of what you keep telling is happening -- w h y the problem with Nitric Oxide, etc. You have yet to clearly state what the cause is and what the base problem is why we are deficient and W H Y the body does not get what it needs to function.
The answer clearly is:The roads are blocked with toxins.
FIR is very wrong if certain toxic loads have not been lightened. That is why sequencing and timing is very important.
Toxicity (from many sources) of the body system is the cause of chronic disease, be it Lyme or anything connected with it. Any chronic patient Dr. K. sees, no matter what the the problem and diagnosis is, the first order of business is "clean up the body" taking the patient's constitution into consideration. FIR and IR and other color, sound and light devices accomplish parts of this - always at the appropriate time.
There is no need to reinvent the wheel. When the body is clean, it can heal. You don't paint over wet dirt. The paint won't stick. Babies are fed breastmilk that on average contains more than a hundred different toxins. Dr. K's pregnant patients have their breastmilk tested - they would require a permit from the EPA if they wanted to put it in a landfill. I have seen the test results. It is frightening.
I cleaned up for several years. That is the only way and how I healed. As long as we dismiss and add more toxins to the load 24/7, healing is not happening.
Most of us are not without considerable body burden before we get infected. We just sort of were well having forgotten what totally well really feels like. Then, when infected, all hell breaks loose. The infection by Lyme & Co. bacteria, etc. is most the time the straw that broke the camel's back. I have met hundred's of patients personally: not one that suffers from Lyme is not environmentally toxic, etc. FIR is just another great modality. We can not cure a heavy metal toxic body with it alone. FIR might give you a huge headache instead -- if done at the wrong time for the wrong reason and/or without the proper preparation
My best to you for your Mom.
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I don't have any idea what I just read. But the bottom line is, I have a FIR sauna and I use it. I think Marnie and Gigi are both saying its a good thing.
Thanks for the info
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I don't know if I ever would have understood such scientific writing but having lyme 15 years my brain definitely can't comprehend such detailed information. I do know that since using detox foot pads (according to their info online does something infrared), I sleep through the night. Every night previously I was wide awake from 4-6AM! I have in general felt much better. I am intrested in the FIR sauna as well. Will have to save my pennies! Karen
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Last time I was at Costco, they had infared saunas for sale. Is there a difference between far infared and infared. I asked the lady, who actually said, she didn't know, she was just the sales person Posts: 1251 | From california | Registered: Apr 2005
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Are FAR and FIR saunas the same thing? How much was it at Costco? Thanks! Karen
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You know that when the Na- channels are open the pump is not effective right? We were just talking about this in class, but she hasn't gone into the chemistry much.
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I rub a Tri-Light 3-light infrared unit(made by Light Energy Co.) over painful areas. It helps take down pain for awhile.
Marnie, I found the info rather complex to follow. The simpler the explanation, the easier for us. Sometimes giving the punchline first helps, and then explaining afterwards the why and the how. Thx.
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Marnie
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The body is filled with "toxins" because:
Bb is depleting several of OUR nutrients. It is using several and we are using others to defend ourselves.
This IS a nutritional nightmare.
Bb wants choline. This ALONE would be a huge problem, but it gets far more complex.
Choline and phosphorus...are 2 of the several nutrients needed to make:
bile salts
which help us to remove heavy metals.
Our liver makes bile salts which are stored in the gall bladder and "dumped" when we eat something "fatty".
Our liver produces VLDL...think of it as baby cholesterol. It becomes LDL and HDL...as it picks up hydrogen or becomes "saturated". HDL picks up heavy metals too and returns to the liver to eliminate them. Think of HDL as a garbage truck. This is why eating fats that are already "saturated" isn't as healthy for us (Crisco and the like.)
"Organic mercurial compounds have a high affinity for sulfhydryl groups, which attributes to its
effect on *enzyme dysfunction
of choline acetyltransferase*.
This inhibition may lead to
acetylcholine deficiency,
and can have consequences on motor function.''
So, mercury interferes with choline acetyltransferase which would impact the amt. of acetylcholine we make.
(Choline + choline acetyltransferase + acetyl CoA = acetylcholine.)
Defensive move by the body???!!
Store/pull from stores of Hg (mercury) which ALSO is a ``poison'' to try to stop overproduction of acetylcholine?
Too little choline -> "fatty liver" (seen only on ultrasound).
The liver is ALSO damaged due to spirochetes fermenting sugar to ethanol (alcohol). Ethanol alters proteins. Want to make Bb mutate?...Bb's outer cell wall IS made of proteins.
Too little C-acetyltransferase (Bb is using up) -> dementia.
Bb does NOT have N-acetyltransferase...ONE of two enzymes needed to convert serotonin -> melatonin.
Melatonin, by virtue of the "indole" or N-H bond is very, very powerful....from a healing standpoint. This is why it appears to go UP at least initially in lyme. This is WHY you are sleepy as melatonin helps us to FALL asleep.
Too much cortisol (from norepinephrine) -> thick blood. Other things contribute too such as Mg dropping, heparin impacted, etc.
The 2 "main" neurotransmitters in the body (many more in the brain)are:
acetylcholine and norepinephrine.
Norepinephrine goes up to try to balance acetylcholine which Bb is "upregulating".
Too much acetylcholine (Bb is upregulating and making US use the enzyme to break it down - acetylcholinesterase - as Bb can NOT breakdown acetylcholine by itself) = muscle pains because
acetylcholine signals muscle contractions via sodium.
Too much calcium as Mg has dropped and continues to do so. Calcium also is linked to muscle pains.
Too much glutamate (rapid firing) as Mg and Zn are supposed to be available to block those receptors (called glutamate or NMDA receptors). GABA from dopamine helps to counter also. Dopamine in time receptors get pooped out.
While a hot bath does indeed relax muscles and dilate blood vessels...and yes...heat is ANOTHER form of energy...and is part of the healing "electromagnetic spectrum"...
It is likely a matter of degree. Where is the energy located on the electromagnetic spectrum. How powerful is it?
Think of the difference between frequencies (sound) at the low end and radiation....or really powerful gamma rays at the high end.
Toxins...what are they?
Too much of ANY mineral, too much of a PARTICULAR amino acid or ANY protein, any enzyme...etc. is TOXIC to us.
This all comes down to an IMBALANCE. THE BODY IS OUT OF BALANCE.
Bb is not "toxic" itself, but causes US to become toxic. It is throwing off our acid-mineral balance.
It is causing metabolic ACIDOSIS. The body is trying to counter this using every available mineral and other means.
Once again...Bb is "upregulating" acetylcholine via choline acetyltransferase (using ours)...and to TRY to counter...we need more N-acetyltransferase which Bb does NOT have.
That is the "Nitrogen difference". The key to all of this. WHY melatonin works (the indole or N-H bond).
The spiral BEGINS with choline which is ultimately what Bb is after.
We can NOT be without this "B" vitamin - choline. Choline levels are VERY much associated with intelligence.
IF the nutrients to keep our liver functioning properly ARE available, THEN our bile salts would remove the toxic metals (including mercury, Hg which has an affinity for choline acetyltransferase).
Which is WHY I believe it is necessary to take lecithin along with several other highly selected nutritional supplements.
This pathogen is quite literally starving us.
I am NOT talking about a far infrared "wand", I am talking about far infrared SAUNAS used daily as a healing device.
What I am doing is trying to explain HOW it works.
Thank you, Kent!!!
Yipee...another way!
P.S. Depakote opens sodium channels. THis drug is used for migraines and seizures.
"Later work showed that when acetylcholine binds to acetylcholine receptors on striated muscle fibers, it opens channels in the membrane. Sodium ions then enter the muscle cell, stimulating muscle contraction."
Na is more "reactive" than Ca or Mg, but less reactive than K or Li.
Reactivity has to do with which mineral will react with which acid to produce HYDROGEN. It gets tricky using Li or K ! Too much of either of those is very dangerous.
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Just a few random thoughts:
We have used Far Infra Red Sauna for years as well as all the different light emitting instruments.
The laser "wand" with ozone is my favorite because it can be applied directly to problem areas as well as the "Light Shield" that can be used for a larger area and is used for general tissue healing (including the brain). It is great for healing the injured gut, back pain, liver, kidneys and the jaw. When I say healing, it always means killing a few critters and moving a few metals that should not be there.
Peer reviewed literature shows that sweating during sauna therapy eliminates high levels of toxic metals, organic compounds, dioxin and other toxins.
Sauna therapy is ideal to mobilize toxins from its hiding places. However, during a sauna, toxic metals can also be displaced from one body compartment into another. This means mercury can be shifted from the connective tissue into the brain. Therefore, FIR should be used only during the later stages of the detox phase. The patient needs to be on chlorella, cilantro and garlic.
In addition, ozone can be used to deliver an effective anti-microorganism hit while in the sauna. (I never used the combination FIR Sauna and ozone - didn't have access to one back then. And I was much more concerned to have my head in the Sauna to get the metals moving. Because I knew once I eliminated the heavy metal load, the Lyme would be a lot easier. So it was.
FIR sauna has to be used with caution and should not be shared with others. It should be in a place so that it can be aired out in between uses. Do not sit in a sauna where a patient is breathing out mercury vapors! Use lots of towels and shower immediately to avoid redistibution/reabsorption.
I would not use share a sauna or hot tub with anyone! Not even my husband. I don't want his exhaust and he does not need mine!
The Red Laser at 660 nm (or red light) and Infrared ligh or laser at 830 nm activates ATP inside the cell.
The Lymph Massager or the "wand" emits monochromatic red laser light 640 nm and inactivates viruses and many known pathogens. It is a great asset in targeting certain trouble spots directly, such as in the face, sinuses, feet, knee, etc.
I have found all "lights" are great aids for different applications.
The Air Activation System (AAS):
This is a unique unit which takes room air and then - touched only by a glass chamber, converts room air into activated gases, indlucing 5%-8% ozone. It comes with a bio-field sensor and imprinter.
It is possible to piggyback homeopathic frequencies or the information of other medication onto the gas before it enters the colon (such as Samento, Noni, etc.) The ionized nitrogen coats the stool and prevents bad odors which are a regular problem with pure ozone insufflation.
This gas mix achieves higher blood and lymph ozone levels than the intravenous injections of 100% ozone (this ozone is rapidly broken down by the anti-oxidant system, which is activated with high ozone concentrations - but not with this extremely low level.
German research has shown that intestinal polyps often disappear after only a few applications. Ozone can be concentrated in targeted areas by applying a strong negative magnetic pole to the treatment area, such as a malaignancy.
This instrument is used in many countries for general fatigue, chornic infections (such as Lyme Borreliosis), illnesses of the colon and small intestine, parasites and many other issues.
Treatment time: 12-15 minutes daily for chronic conditions, such as Neuro-Lyme.
Ozone injections work. I had them. Especially in the dental area. I had autohemo injections with ozone in 1998 - it's been around for a long time. Just not as well known in this country.
To sum up, there is not one instrument or one modality that does it all - that takes care of Lyme. It takes many. Heavy metals have to be removed -- then the microbial treatments will become effective. The presence of heavy metals prepared the matrix for the microbial infections. Oxygen supply is non-existent or limited in metal contaminated areas and the anaerobes love it - oxygen kills them.
Metals block oxygen from entering the cells. Increased toxin load in the matrix keeps nutrients from getting to the cells. Cells die.
Most heavy metals move directly from the amalgam fillings via nerve/tubulin into the brain. I have posted extensively about that. See my post about tubulin and mercury. The bile is not effective in the brain. The bile is involved in the lower end of the detox process. So is the liver. Marnie, please, the major heavy metal problems are in the Brain/Brain Stem and Central Nervous System. That's what causes our major neuro problems. Only few agents are able to mobilize (= stir loose) the metals in the brain, and several other alternating agents are needed to hopefully bring them down further and out.
It takes quite some time to successfully do it. It took me a few years.
As long as the metals are still stored in the various body compartments, the Lyme treatments will not be fully effective. Many of you that have been exposed to mercury and other toxic metals will find it to be a tough struggle to get rid of Lyme unless you address the heavy metals seriously.
Using an FIR daily is not a good idea. The body needs time to dispose of the mobilized toxins and to avoid organ overload. Colonics are a must alongside. The skin alone cannot handle all.
Take care.
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some of this discussion is over my head BUT something about the liver and its proper working DEFINITELY means something in terms of our getting better.
One of the only changes in my protocol over the last 3-4 months involved good liver support and guess what--
Sleep issues have all but resolved. energy levels are the best they've been in awhile.
something is working here.
i do believe it is an individual thing AND balance is the KEY
I'm sorry I don't have the research background to prove my feelings, but this discussion has really brought home these above points and that is what this forum provides the best--
the ability for each individual to take away and/or contribute something that others might pick up on.
thanks for keeping this thread productive and allowing me to understand a feeling i've had for awhile--
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I have one that I use in my small apt. When not in use it can be stored upright against a wall.
It's a half dome that you lie under, with your head sticking out. You can set the level and time. It really makes me sweat.
When I used it every day my kidneys hurt. I thought that was odd since the purported benefit of an IR sauna is that the toxins leave via the skin.
I postulated that perhaps I mobilized so many that some got diverted to my kidney.
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Given all that has been said about infrared benefits, which sound really promising (thank you), is there also something that can be said about what minerals, aminos,etc., are best to supplement with and what we should not be taking?
Claire
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Treating symptoms is not what Iam after we need to figure out how to kill this bug in all its forms then the body in time will return to normal.
I hope no one takes this wrong or I didnt say it right I have a lot on my plate right now probaly shouldnt even be talking responding .
-------------------- Do unto others as you would have them do unto you. Remember Iam not a Doctor Just someone struggling like you with Tick Borne Diseases.
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The one thing I am very sure of is --- even if you don't believe Dr. K's opinion that we are all heavy metal toxic ---- anyone should be doubling their mineral uptake. Reason: you cannot detox anything, no neurotoxins of any sort, if you mineral base is out of balance.
Minerals are very difficult to absorb. We used to get it in our food - but that food is so depleted, even organic foods. We are trying the Albion processed minerals - Designs for Health has a Complete Mineral Complex. They are being absorbed. The KMT Minerals from Biotools are also a great source.
Mineral absorption always has been the problem.
I am not excited about taking any single amino acids unless closely monitored by a doctor who understands them. The best thing is complete foods. Paleo Cleanse from Design for Health is a good one. So is their Whey Cool for minerals. Goat whey works well, but you have to be taking religiously.
We know that no supplements are really ever going to replace healthy food. But healthy food is hard to find and we are learning more and more all the time how to make supplements more effective.
Make your own Kefir. Make your own Kefir Kraut. Read up on these things. They are great supporting foods.
If you have Lyme Disease, you are heavy metal toxic also. It just comes with the territory. The metal toxicity came first, usually. And you are not less receptive to metal toxins once Lyme Disease hits. So you might as well be working on all toxins. That is the only way to find a way out of this maze.
If we are still talking with people here on Lymenet that have been taking antibiotics for many years and have not done much else, such as serious heavy metal detoxing, and they still are not well and have still other little and bigger problems, that should be proof enough that Lyme Never Never comes alone.
Take care.
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